HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4414 posts, RR: 76 Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4074 times:
The MD11 schedule at AY is stretched like never before this summer, so expect to get more aircraft substitutions like these whenever irregularities occur in the MD11 operation.
AlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 15 Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4066 times:
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 1): The MD11 schedule at AY is stretched like never before this summer, so expect to get more aircraft substitutions like these whenever irregularities occur in the MD11 operation.
RJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4028 times:
Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Thread starter): I was surprised she departed at the scheduled time as last time this happened she did not depart till the next morning due to crew issues.
Did AY fly a crew in to JFK to operate the return leg?
DFW13L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3930 times:
Quoting RJpieces (Reply 5): Did AY fly a crew in to JFK to operate the return leg?
The only way it could have returned on time is if the return crew was flown in a day before, and overnighted at JFK to have rest to return. The earlier time that was mentioned, where the flight was delayed until the next morning was probably due to crew rest, if they didn't send a 757 cockpit crew in advance. I guess it depends on how far in advance they do the downgrade.
Teme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1148 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3890 times:
I think they had flown the crew for the return trip a day ahead, since they were then aware that they would fly the HEL-JFK-HEL flights with that 757-200.
LordHowe From Finland, joined Jan 2003, 728 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3879 times:
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 1): The MD11 schedule at AY is stretched like never before this summer
This "stretched" has not even begun yet! Right now they are having a phase in between. The hard work is beginning in May.
This downgrade happened due to some technical problems with one of the MD11s. AY have had their fare share of these problems lately - maybe because of the very stretched schedules they have been having over the winter schedules too ...
LordHowe From Finland, joined Jan 2003, 728 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3862 times:
Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Thread starter): I was surprised she departed at the scheduled time as last time this happened she did not depart till the next morning due to crew issues.
She has arrived in HEL 1 hour 15 min late this morning - so if she departed at the scheduled time, she must have landed somewhere for a technical stop?
PHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 3 Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3830 times:
Quoting LordHowe (Reply 8): This downgrade happened due to some technical problems with one of the MD11s. AY have had their fare share of these problems lately - maybe because of the very stretched schedules they have been having over the winter schedules too ...
Does anyone know how this affects the HEL-BKK flights? Does it get priority over other flights? Or is it delayed / substituted very often?
Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 4): Ouch...M11 to 757...quite a downgrade there.
Yes, but I don't know whether I would be bothered as a Y pax, because the 757 has 3-3 seats, whereas the M11 has 3-4-3 in Y
LordHowe From Finland, joined Jan 2003, 728 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3805 times:
Quoting PHKLM (Reply 10): Does anyone know how this affects the HEL-BKK flights?
Saturday evenings AY97 HEL-BKK-SIN departed on Sunday morning (9 hours late, two hours after the arrival of AY92 from BKK - so probably with that aircraft) and was flown only as HEL-BKK-HEL.
Quoting PHKLM (Reply 10): whether I would be bothered as a Y pax, because the 757 has 3-3 seats
I would anytime take MD11, because this 757 is a leisure version with 227 seats.
Finnaviation From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 253 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3705 times:
Reason for using 752 HEL-JFK-HEL was because OH-LGCs check was running overtime. Scheduled flight for LGC was on Saturday but aircraft was not ready. So AY97 to Bangkok and Singapore on Saturday departed on Sunday morning 8:30am and it was OH-LGA which arrived HEL 6:30am from BKK as AY92
On Sunday all Asian MD-11 flights(CAN, PVG, KIX and BKK) departed on time and OH-LGD started her one week-check.
Now it looks like OH-LGC is ready for departure today. Its heading to DEL or JFK.
This summer MD-11 schedules are not so tight as they were last summer. Last summer for seven MD-11s it was only one day free per week. Now coming summer its 3 days in one week when one aircraft stays overnight in HEL.
And this possible because of cutting Bangkok-Singapore-Bangkok service.
Last night AY6 did not have techincal stop. OH-LBO departed JFK 7:04pm and arrived in HEL 10:05am local.
Swiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3640 times:
Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Thread starter): I was surprised she departed at the scheduled time as last time this happened she did not depart till the next morning due to crew issues.
A bit harsh on AY to say you are surprised they got it right, after "once" getting it wrong?
FFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 732 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3518 times:
Quoting Finnaviation (Reply 13): Last night AY6 did not have techincal stop. OH-LBO departed JFK 7:04pm and arrived in HEL 10:05am local.
How about the HEL-JFK (the longer in time) leg? Does this kind of prove that HEL-JFK can be flown on 757? Or did they have payload restrictions, and/or the winds were favorable? Maybe CO and DL can take a note of this...
AlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 15 Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3518 times:
Quoting LordHowe (Reply 9): She has arrived in HEL 1 hour 15 min late this morning - so if she departed at the scheduled time, she must have landed somewhere for a technical stop?
She actually didn't depart didn't depart until around 6:45.
Quoting Swiftski (Reply 14): A bit harsh on AY to say you are surprised they got it right, after "once" getting it wrong?
No offense to Finnair, it's just that last time I believe it was a last minute sub and I expected this one to be as well.
Swiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3484 times:
Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 17): No offense to Finnair, it's just that last time I believe it was a last minute sub and I expected this one to be as well.
Cool for the 757 pilot and crew, who will be used to European flights.
EFHK From Finland, joined Nov 2006, 392 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3459 times:
Quoting Someone83 (Reply 12): Does AY have the same reliability problems with their MD-11s as KL have with theirs?
AY has some, but not as much as I've heard KL to have.
Quoting Swiftski (Reply 18): Cool for the 757 pilot and crew, who will be used to European flights.
Actually the 757's are used for charters all around the world, like Thailand, Brazil, Caribbean, India... But of course most of the flights go to European leisure destinations such as the Canary islands, Spain, Turkey and Greece.
One of the best places in the world: McDonald's in T2 at FRA.
Finnaviation From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 253 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3436 times:
And this summer AY's 752's are on schedules routes from HEL to BUD, BCN, CPH and FCO.
Quoting FFlyer (Reply 16): How about the HEL-JFK (the longer in time) leg? Does this kind of prove that HEL-JFK can be flown on 757? Or did they have payload restrictions, and/or the winds were favorable
These 752s are on AY routes to BOS from ARN and YYZ from HEL.
Teme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1148 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3411 times:
Quoting FFlyer (Reply 16): Maybe CO and DL can take a note of this...
DL did fly here in the early 90's. With A310 and L1011. Why they stopped operating don't know. But I know that if CO or DL would like to start operating to HEL they could do it as soon as they could. B767-200/300 would do nicely
FFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 732 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3359 times:
Quoting Teme82 (Reply 21): DL did fly here in the early 90's. With A310 and L1011. Why they stopped operating don't know. But I know that if CO or DL would like to start operating to HEL they could do it as soon as they could. B767-200/300 would do nicely
Quoting Finnaviation (Reply 22): I think DL and CO they don't want to loose money so they don't fly to HEL.
That's what I meant; anyone to be able to compete with AY on HEL-USA would have to use an a/c not larger than 752. There just is not enough demand for anything bigger. Unless, of course, Finnair would downgrade the JFK route to 752 permanently. Then especially business pax would choose a competing wide-body with a proper business class.
CO and soon DL would be the only candidates, in my mind. Maybe also NW. I believe there still is a Skyteam FF base in Finland (from the PA and DL years), who would be happy to fly somebody else than AY, and/or skip CDG or AMS connection. One question, though, is if 752 has the legs to do it w/o fuel stops too often. ARN-BOS is shorter, and doesn't have the JFK delays to worry about.
LordHowe From Finland, joined Jan 2003, 728 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3351 times:
Quoting Finnaviation (Reply 13): Reason for using 752 HEL-JFK-HEL was because OH-LGCs check was running overtime. Scheduled flight for LGC was on Saturday but aircraft was not ready. So AY97 to Bangkok and Singapore on Saturday departed on Sunday morning 8:30am and it was OH-LGA which arrived HEL 6:30am from BKK as AY92
On Sunday all Asian MD-11 flights(CAN, PVG, KIX and BKK) departed on time and OH-LGD started her one week-check.
Now it looks like OH-LGC is ready for departure today. Its heading to DEL or JFK.
This summer MD-11 schedules are not so tight as they were last summer. Last summer for seven MD-11s it was only one day free per week. Now coming summer its 3 days in one week when one aircraft stays overnight in HEL.
And this possible because of cutting Bangkok-Singapore-Bangkok service.
Last night AY6 did not have technical stop. OH-LBO departed JFK 7:04pm and arrived in HEL 10:05am local.
Thanks for a clarifying answer! Nice to have among us people who seem to know!
But I have to say that it has been quite unsuccessful planning from AY technical department if LGC's check was that much late - not ready for departure until today which means two days after the original plan.
And the fact is that these MD11s have had quite a many technical delays during the last year.
Best regards,
LordHowe
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25 EFHK: Based on my personal experience I believe this is true. Even my family has a lot of SkyMiles. Yes, there have been, but not too many in my opinion. O
26 Finnaviation: I think You know this business, some things just don't work as planned if something special comes up with aircraft. Safety first. But now all long-ha
27 DLBOIFIN: Yes, definitely a possibility for DL or CO here! AY timetable to JFK just is not good for the Finnish passengers; 2.20pm departure is far too late! B
28 HB-IWC: While there may be an increased amount of overnight operational spare at BKK, one also needs to look at the average daily utilization rates, which ar
29 PresRDC: I though AY's 757s did not have a premium cabin (all Y seating). As such, they would have to either involuntary downgrade the J pax or reroute them. I
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