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Airbus Will Boost Production To 650 Aircraft A Yr  
User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3768 times:

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...very,%20Higher%20A330%20Production

Quote:

Airbus expects to have further boosted aircraft production rates by year-end and could be ready to adjust both near-term and longer-range A380 plans as it gains experience building the aircraft under renewed processes.

After having upped wide- and narrow-body aircraft output already several times in recent months, and with an increase to 40 single-aisle aircraft per month all but decided, Airbus also is considering again accelerating production of A330/A340s. Such a move would put output at 10 aircraft per month, says John Leahy, Airbus chief operating officer for customers. "We will almost certainly be doing that," he asserts.


Production after increases:

A320 40/month
A330 9/month
A340 1/month
A380 4/month

Total: 648 per year

[Edited 2007-04-30 12:05:12]

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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3643 times:

Not to rain on the parade, but this is post Power 8, isn't it? I'm still mystified how they are going to cut employees, yet increase production--particularly the kind of cuts they are talking about in Europe. Are all the 10000 job cuts administrative and non-production positions? We know that 4 A320s are expected to be assembled in China by 2012, that still leaves 600 to be assembled in Europe. All of this depends, on the short term at least, on labor peace.


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User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4166 posts, RR: 36
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3597 times:

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 1):
Are all the 10000 job cuts administrative and non-production positions?

Practically all administrative and non-production except for a couple of production jobs in Toulouse as far as I understand. Especially in Germany it will be administration only, even though quite hefty. On the other hand Airbus Germany is looking for another 1,000 employees for production and engineering this year alone, with 200 already employed and another 800 to come.

To be exact:
- 2,317 position in Hamburg, Germany
- 150 in Nordenham, Germany
- 2,918 in Toulouse in administration in the plants
- 946 in Toulouse in administration in the headquarters
- 1,095 in Filton, UK
- 334 in Getafe, Spain
- 369 Saint-Nazaire, France
- 295 Nantes, France
- 192 in Meaulte, France

Total: 8,616

That figure has been clearly stated as position for negotiations - which means that total cuts will probably end up at around 5,000 spread over 3-5 years as it is common in Europe. Not yet clear is, who will take over the to-be-sold plants.



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3580 times:

Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...very,%20Higher%20A330%20Production

Quote:

Airbus expects to have further boosted aircraft production rates by year-end and could be ready to adjust both near-term and longer-range A380 plans as it gains experience building the aircraft under renewed processes.

After having upped wide- and narrow-body aircraft output already several times in recent months, and with an increase to 40 single-aisle aircraft per month all but decided, Airbus also is considering again accelerating production of A330/A340s. Such a move would put output at 10 aircraft per month, says John Leahy, Airbus chief operating officer for customers. "We will almost certainly be doing that," he asserts.


A very good article. Very informative as to what is happening at Airbus and how they are addressing the various issues.

What is interest to note, is the the confirmation of the A330/A340 line increasing up to 10 frames per month.  Wink

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3547 times:

ATWO has a blurb on Chinese A320 production.
http://atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=8746

Quote:
That rate will include a final assembly line to be established in China via a joint venture with Chinese investors in which Airbus will have a 51% stake. The China-based FAL will produce two A319s/A320s per month by 2010 and four by 2012, with the first aircraft to be completed in the 2008 second quarter, Flourens said. A320 production in Toulouse will be limited to 14 per month with the remainder to be built in Hamburg.

"We are selling the A320 extremely well," added EADS co-CEO and Airbus CEO Louis Gallois, who strongly indicated the monthly rate will reach 40 by 2010. And he cautioned that Airbus is "not in a hurry" to produce a next-generation version. "The day you launch a new airplane, you kill the value of those orders [placed for the current version]," he said, adding that a next-generation A320 is not viable until a new engine is developed. "It means not an improvement of the current engine but a new concept of engine."

Interesting to hear the same sentiments as Boeing WRT the next generation narrow body introduction. No one wants to kill the cash cow!



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User currently offlineMBJ2000 From Germany, joined Dec 2005, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3392 times:

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 4):
"The day you launch a new airplane, you kill the value of those orders [placed for the current version]," he said, adding that a next-generation A320 is not viable until a new engine is developed. "It means not an improvement of the current engine but a new concept of engine."

Interesting to hear the same sentiments as Boeing WRT the next generation narrow body introduction. No one wants to kill the cash cow!

That last sentence sounds very interesting, what's a new concept? Would the GTF fall into that category?  scratchchin 



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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2410 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):
A320 40/month
A330 9/month
A340 1/month
A380 4/month

Aren't the A330 and A340 on the same line? Why would their rates be different?

Also, the A318/A319/A321 rates are different from A320 rates. They are on separate lines aren't they?


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31394 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2985 times:
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Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 6):
Aren't the A330 and A340 on the same line? Why would their rates be different?

Demand.

The A330 has plenty while the A340 has little, so Airbus pushes more A330s down the line then they do A340.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 6):
Also, the A318/A319/A321 rates are different from A320 rates. They are on separate lines aren't they?

Correct. The A320 is currently built in Toulouse, with a second line being built in Tianjin. The A318/A319/A321 line is in Hamburg. There is a proposal to move the A320 line in Toulouse to Hamburg if Hamburg agrees to give up their A380 work and not take any A350XWB work, all of which would be in Toulouse.

[Edited 2007-05-05 21:15:11]

User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9229 posts, RR: 76
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2959 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 6):
Aren't the A330 and A340 on the same line? Why would their rates be different?

The combined line will be 10/month at this stage, it is not the limit.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 6):
Also, the A318/A319/A321 rates are different from A320 rates. They are on separate lines aren't they?

I think they are to combine on the one line in Hamburg, with 34/month, they are accelerating progress with the plant in Tianjin and hope to get that to 4/month, I think the long term plan is 8-10/month in Tianjin which would be about 44/month overall.



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User currently offlineRheinbote From Germany, joined May 2006, 1968 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2806 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
The A320 is currently built in Toulouse, with a second line being built in Tianjin. The A318/A319/A321 line is in Hamburg. There is a proposal to move the A320 line in Toulouse to Hamburg if Hamburg agrees to give up their A380 work and not take any A350XWB work, all of which would be in Toulouse.

Not quite. First, there's an 'agreement' between Airbus-F and Airbus-G that any A320 production beyond x/month (I seem to remember x=15) would go to Hamburg. This 'agreement' predated the recent crisis and hence cannot be part of any 'generous' French offer in compensation for A350 or A380 work which Airbus-F would like to move to France. So for now Airbus-G will do (or does already) final assembly of A320s in addition to A318/319/321. Airbus-F will keep assembling A320s at a rate of x/month, this line is not going to move anywhere.
Secondly, Airbus-G will neither give up all A380 work nor will they loose all A350 work. Certain workpackages will be redistributed between F and G for the sake of efficiency. The question is not who will produce what, but who is going to lead what and who will have the sole responsibility for final assembly of any prospective future program.


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31394 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2747 times:
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Thank you for the clarification, Rheinbote. I know there was a good deal of speculation and proposals during Mr. Streiff's short time as Airbus CEO, but I imagine those died with him, so to speak, and Power8 has defined a new set of proposals on how Airbus shares production of it's planes going forward.

User currently offlineRheinbote From Germany, joined May 2006, 1968 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2541 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
there was a good deal of speculation and proposals during Mr. Streiff's short time as Airbus CEO, but I imagine those died with him, so to speak, and Power8 has defined a new set of proposals

It appears to me that the proposals developed during Streiff's 'reign' have been adopted by Power8 without much change. There's still much confusion though due to the ongoing interpretations done by all parties, especially politicians, unions and the local press, drawing the most horrible scenarios out of the rather pragmatic proposals to rally up their respective supporters.


User currently offlineRheinbote From Germany, joined May 2006, 1968 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

Just by coincidence, today's Aviation Week has an article on this:

"Airbus Alters Supplier Relations, Prepared New A320 Line"
Aviation Week & Space Technology
05/07/2007, page 79

"Work to update tooling on a third final assembly line in Hamburg will start this year to allow the site, which builds A318s, A319s and A321s, to also assemble the A320. First A320 deliveries from there are expected next year. Airbus first made the commitment to limit A320 production in Toulouse to 14 aircraft per month in 2000, but ignored that stance, then renewed it with Power8."
"Nevertheless, Airbus will carefully balance the curtailing of Toulouse A320 production, where output is now 17 aircraft per month, with the Hamburg ramp-up"..."Toulouse might not be scaled back until 2010. It will get some extra cabin furnishing work to free up capacity in Hamburg and allay tensions with French labor groups opposed to the move."


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2184 times:

Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 12):
"Work to update tooling on a third final assembly line in Hamburg will start this year to allow the site, which builds A318s, A319s and A321s, to also assemble the A320.

So does this mean there will be a total of four A32X lines? (one in toulouse, two in hamburg and one in China)

[Edited 2007-05-07 21:51:04]

User currently offlineRheinbote From Germany, joined May 2006, 1968 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2155 times:

As far as I understand from the AWST article, there will be one A320 line in TLS, one 318/319/320/321 line in XFW and one 319/320 line in Tinajin.

User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 7117 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2120 times:

This will certainly help Airbus recover from the A380 debacle if they do it right. Hopefully they watched what happened to Boeing when they tried to do the same thing and avoid the same mistakes. The last thing they need now is production snafus fouling things up for them.


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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 1):
I'm still mystified how they are going to cut employees, yet increase production--particularly the kind of cuts they are talking about in Europe. Are all the 10000 job cuts administrative and non-production positions?

Mystified indeed. Airbus will sell production sites. It´s not like 10.000 people will hit the streets..

48 A380´s a yr sounds serious. 100 additional A380 every two yrs..


User currently offlineJayinKitsap From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 769 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2085 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 16):
48 A380�s a yr sounds serious. 100 additional A380 every two yrs..

I recall that 07 is 1, 08 is 7, and 09 is 20, then up to 48 per year. If A needs 2 years from order to delivery to get the long term parts, Airbus should hope they get more than 20 per year of orders. Otherwise they will blaze thru the currentl backlog only to go back to say 20 per year.


User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 7117 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2072 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 16):
48 A380´s a yr sounds serious. 100 additional A380 every two yrs..

They need to sell them first; I personally doubt that there will ever be a market for that many. I may be wrong, but I would be surprised if more than 500 ever get built.



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