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Delta's Coming Out Party!  
User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 54
Posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6526 times:

http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10664

http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10663

We all now DL emerges from bankruptcy protection tomorrow! Congrats to Dl and all there employee's world wide!

Few questions:

1.) What routes will they start or re-open? I know heard SLC as a Intl. gateway to Europe?

2.) Will DL place a new order with Boeing before years end?

Anyways glad to see DL emerge from bankruptcy protection.


Faire du ciel le plus bel endroit de la terre.
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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6323 times:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Thread starter):
1.) What routes will they start or re-open? I know heard SLC as a Intl. gateway to Europe?

2.) Will DL place a new order with Boeing before years end?

maybe and yes

SLC wants a LGW and a CDG flight and DL is trying to get the A/C to fly the routes (when OpenSkys starts then you might see SLC-LHR)

DL will probably order a Good 30-40 T7s (a mix or 772ERs 77L and 77W)
also a 20-30 787, 737 order and a 25-30 E-190/195

and i would like to say GREAT JOB DELTA AIR LINES happy your back!!!!!!!!!



yep.
User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6304 times:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Thread starter):
1.) What routes will they start or re-open? I know heard SLC as a Intl. gateway to Europe?

DL seems to have gone through a period of unprecedented expansion during their period of bankruptcy. While AC went through its spell, virtually everything was put on hold.

Congrats!!



Above and Beyond
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6176 times:

A 787 order is definately likely. I woud expect it to be ordered at least in the fall. We could also see some more 777-200LRs or maybe even some 777-300ERs ordered. A new 100-seater may also be possible, with either the Embraer 190 or 195 being the most likely candidates. Delta has stated that any new 100-seat aircraft would be operated as mainline, not as Delta Connection. I don't see Delta ordering the 737-600 as its operating costs are barely any lower than the 737-700, and the CRJ-1000 is a niche aircraft.


The Pink Delta 767-400ER - The most beautiful aircraft in the sky
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6756 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6125 times:

I agree...

I see the 787 order forthcoming.. more 777... look for hte E90/E95..


as for routes.. ATL will remain king.. SLC will grow.. CVG will probably exchange more RJ for mainline, but nothing drastic... DL will probably grow more internationally.. probably ATL, SLC, JFK, maybe BOS and LAX..

I wonder what kinda surprises we will see though.. I could see a couple more international gateways opening up besides the hubs/focus cities.. or perhaps I just have a funny feeling for nothing..



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6061 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 3):
777-200LRs or maybe even some 777-300ERs ordered

i will bet you will see some more 772ERs(i wish they would put the GE-90s on them) also

the 77Ls cost to much to do runs like ATL-TLV or ATL-NRT



yep.
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6040 times:

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 5):
i will bet you will see some more 772ERs(i wish they would put the GE-90s on them) also

I would tend to disagree, I don't see Delta ordering more 777-200ERs when the 777-200LR is available. Delta had some 777-200ERs on order, and they were all converted to 777-200LRs. I would expect that all of Delta's future 777 orders will be either the 777-200LR or the 777-300ER. Also, if Boeing decides on a 787-10, then the 787-10 could also be a possibility.



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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7195 posts, RR: 86
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5999 times:
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I see no reason why DL wouldn't order Boeing.

They are going to start flying to DXB in May.

I could see some new international destinations from SLC and some reopening at CVG in the near future.

Can't wait to see the new DL livery on 787.  yes 


User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5703 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 3):
A new 100-seater may also be possible, with either the Embraer 190 or 195 being the most likely candidates.

I think this is much more likely than a lot of people think, too! I know from talking to some people at DL that they really want some 100-ish seat aircraft to re-open some of their former mainline routes in the mountain west out of SLC. A few years ago, they dumped mainline from a lot of these routes and went all DL Connection with high frequencies. However, their market share dipped much more drastically than they had expected when loads dropped off. They have since made the determination that they would like to return some of those cities to mainline. Anyway, best of luck to DL in the world outside bankruptcy! You'll always be my airline!



Good goes around!
User currently offlineZone1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5369 times:

The 787 order is pretty much confirmed in the press releases today. They said they need a livery without brushed aluminum.


/// U N I T E D
User currently offlineFlyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5369 times:

Quoting Zone1 (Reply 9):
The 787 order is pretty much confirmed in the press releases today. They said they need a livery without brushed aluminum.

I for one cant wait to hear what kinds, and how many!



"None are more hopelessly enslaved, than those who falsly believe they are free" -Goethe
User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5240 times:

Quoting Flyorski (Reply 10):
I for one cant wait to hear what kinds, and how many!

From what I'm hearing it will be worth the wait and you will be duly impressed.

DL757Md

[Edited 2007-04-30 20:55:39]


757 Most beautiful airliner in the sky!
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12411 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5188 times:

What's the story about Delta taking AI's 777-200LRs? Much as I like to see DL grow, AI needs these aircraft (and perhaps a little decisiveness!)

When are the first 737-700s due to arrive?

It wouldn't surprise me to see a number of 777-200LRs being ordered; I know DL has quite a number of long haul routes projected ex-ATL, however, I expect to see a very significant 787 order, with the -9/10 ultimately to replace the 777-200ER and of course, the -8s to replace the 767-3/400ERs. I don't see any scope for -3s.

Looking forward to seeing the big order!


User currently offlineDsa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5133 times:

Well done to all DL's employee's and BOD for steering the airline through this rough period for the industry. It was always a no-brainer that DL would get through this and come out better for it!

DSA


User currently offlinePbottenb From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4810 times:

From CNN:

http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/30/news...y/index.htm?postversion=2007043013

"Among the moves it made was turning over its underfunded pilots' pension plans to a federal pension agency, while winning concessions on wages and work rules from its pilots."

"... Federal Bankruptcy Court Judge Adlai Hardin gave final approval to its reorganization plan last week, after he rejected four final objections filed by bondholders and shareholders who complained that they weren't being treated fairly."

Also from CNN: http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/25/news...t/index.htm?postversion=2007042519

"The company was pushed into bankruptcy after racking up nearly $19 billion in debt and accumulating $7.5 billion in losses between 2001 and 2005 amid high costs and low-fare competition.

From Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/coMkt...46085620070425?rpc=11&pageNumber=2

"As part of its emergence from bankruptcy, Delta plans to issue new shares to its creditors. It plans to list those shares on the New York Stock Exchange on May 3 under the symbol 'DAL'. Old Delta shares will consequently be canceled and therefore worthless.

Delta expects to have a market value of about $10 billion, which would make it the second-largest U.S. airline by market value after Southwest."


So: $19 Billion in Debt, $7.5 Billion in losses for a total of $26.5 Billion in the red, coming out of BK with a value of $10 Billion....seems like about $16.5 Billion just dissapeared.....Nice.....sounds like Delta screwed the pilots, lots of creditors, and the American taxpayers....I fail to see the cause for celebration.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4745 posts, RR: 45
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4790 times:

Quoting Dl757md (Reply 11):
From what I'm hearing it will be worth the wait and you will be duly impressed.

DL757Md

 Wink



Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4724 times:

does anyone know where on the airport the plane will be at 7pm? If tis somewhere rather visible im going to try and drive down, both otherwise, ill wait... They should park it out by mercury for everyone to drive by and see!


Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7195 posts, RR: 86
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4557 times:
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Quoting Dl757md (Reply 11):

I hear 777 and 787.

Any DL route right now that would handle a 747?

I hear NH has some cheap, almost new ones, they want to sell DL.  duck 


User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4539 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 17):
Any DL route right now that would handle a 747?

I hear NH has some cheap, almost new ones, they want to sell DL

I'm quite certain you'll never see a 747 in Delta's fleet ever again. But I wouldn't mind it if my bosses prove me wrong.  Wink

DL757Md



757 Most beautiful airliner in the sky!
User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7195 posts, RR: 86
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4503 times:
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Quoting Dl757md (Reply 18):

I'm quite certain you'll never see a 747 in Delta's fleet ever again. But I wouldn't mind it if my bosses prove me wrong.

DL757Md

Unless you work in finance or fleet management, no one can accurately predict the upcoming fleet plans for DL.

I'd bet good money, the order will be all Boeing.  yes 


User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4448 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 19):
Unless you work in finance or fleet management, no one can accurately predict the upcoming fleet plans for DL.

Ahhh now now. I don't work in finance or fleet management (working on the latter) but that doesn't mean I can't accurately relay what has been told to me by, oh...I don't know......THE COO OF THE COMPANY! I'm thinking he might have an idea.

Quoting FXramper (Reply 19):
I'd bet good money, the order will be all Boeing

You'd probably win that bet. But I'm not in Finance or Fleet Management so I wouldn't know.

DL757Md



757 Most beautiful airliner in the sky!
User currently offlineN102DAman From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4348 times:

I am sitting here 7000 miles away in Iraq swelling with pride. This is truly a great day for the Delta Family. They have stuck it out yet again and gave it their all. I can not say how proud I am today to be part of that family. I am going on R&R next week and will take a Hop just to congratulate them.

The new Delta livery signifies a new start. It is attractive and nothing fancy. While I do wish they kept the red and blue widget It seems like Delta was going after the Onwards and Upwards theme by the way the widget is tilted. At least we have a widget on the tail. Albeit not a complete one but it is a start.

I do wonder however what some of the test designs were. Wonder if someone can link to them or if they can post them.

Again Congrats to all the delta family. You have done a superb job. Keep up the great work. I can't wait to get home and Get on a Delta bird again.

N102DAman



"Service and Hospitality from the Heart." (C. E. Woolman, Delta airlines first CEO and founder.)
User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4268 times:

The New Delta Livery - Does It Give Away A Secret?

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1204514/L/

As I was reviewing the above photo of the new Delta livery and lamenting the plain-Jane front end that looks unfinished, I suddenly realized something. If you look at the aircraft from the left side, the Delta symbol points...........NORTHWEST!!!
Could this livery be an interim one that will be completed when DL merges with NW after the latter exits bankruptcy protection?

The tail logo would be a great way to celebrate both predecessor airlines.

Reggaebird


User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4236 times:

I personally wish they would just go back to the old Widget Livery that they used when they were making money back in the day

User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4745 posts, RR: 45
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4200 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 19):
Unless you work in finance or fleet management, no one can accurately predict the upcoming fleet plans for DL.

I'd bet good money, the order will be all Boeing.

FX while DL757md may not work in finance or fleet management, he and many others can accurately predict the upcoming fleet plans for DL.

In reality, they probably are already chosen.  Wink



Some see lines, others see between the lines.
25 Alitalia744 : No.
26 Dl757md : Well put my friend.
27 Cba : I wouldn't be so sure about that. DL has quite a lot of non -ER 763's flying around the continental US, and the 783 would be perfect for those routes
28 Boeing7E7 : If any US carrier orders the -3 it would be Delta.
29 BlackKnight : As a few of us Utah natives and Boeing and Airbus insiders via the vast supplier network have been saying for some time, SLC will be the hub of the we
30 Post contains images A340600 : Hm, it's nice, i'm already starting to like it, shame the titles aren't a bit more prominent. How long until the next livery change?
31 Boeing7E7 : They fired the clown that opposed the re-development.
32 1337Delta764 : I don't see Delta ordering the 787-3. More likely, Delta will probably convert some 767-300ERs to domestic configuration while the 767-300ERs are rep
33 Graphic : Yeah, they're gonna exit bankruptcy, blow several million dollars on an entirely new branding campaign, knowing straight off it's gonna be scrapped a
34 WhoopWhoop : Notice how what would be the point of the widget on the tail points to the same place as the tip of the triangle on NWA s tail.... Hmmmmm....LOL
35 Alitalia744 : Seriously people, enough with the airline merger conspiracy theories. For just one day, let the Delta folk enjoy something they've worked hard for.[E
36 Post contains links Dl757md : Sorry Sir BlacKNight, that is wishful thinking. SLC will enjoy at best limited flights to Europe. Two destinations is really optimistic at this point
37 Floridaflyboy : I think that the 783 definitely is a possibility for the Florida routes from ATL, and maybe SLC-ATL. I could see the possibility of a small fleet of
38 Multimark : Yippee, so another airline rises Lazarus-like from the dead on the backs of creditors, shareholder and employees. Problem is we're at the top of the b
39 Jetlanta : I have no idea why this idea still persists. Delta was the one that put the kibosh on the expansion. No need to pay billions for an unneeded terminal
40 Positiverate : Why would they need to?
41 RL757PVD : Exactly! The comcept for the whole new terminal and concources that surfaced a few years back was very nice and i totally woul love to see it, howeve
42 Flyorski : That would be great! Unfortunately reading some other replies here, it sounds like other than eventually CDG, or London, it wont happen. Dl757md, can
43 Cba : I could also actually see AA and UA ordering the aircraft. The 783 makes a perfect A300 replacement for AA on those JFK/MIA-Caribbean flights. UA als
44 Delta787 : Why? Its old and outdated. The new livery is supposed to show that this is a new Delta, not the same one from ten years ago. As much as I liked the o
45 Dl757md : I wish I could, however, I'm not privy to that detail. All I know is that will be huge and I THINK from what I've heard that it will happen by this F
46 Surfdog75 : I have absolutely no inside info but I'm placing my bet on an announcement at the Paris Air Show about 43 days from now.
47 Okie73 : on the subject of Delta aircraft orders, I have heard that Delta is only going to be getting 10 757s from AA/TWA, not 13 as originally agreed to. Has
48 DAYflyer : I'm glad DL survived and is out of bankruptcy. I wonder how they plan to offload Comair? They really do need to sell that operation.
49 Graphic : I think the guy was joking that time. DEN would win out over SLC, it's bigger, has more O&D, and has much better connectivity as well as operating ef
50 BlackKnight : Everyone keeps thinking that the world in SLC revolves around Delta. In the latest study of SLC Salt Lake City International Airport Airport Layout P
51 ConcordeBoy : ...and little else; which is why we probably won't see them adorned with the Widget. The reason we don't currently see new 762A, 763A, 772A, and 773A
52 Dl757md : A study is just that. It is the very first step in developing a plan, that is all. Have ANY of the international airlines that SLCDA says have expres
53 DeltaL1011man : i agree and disagree why would DL fly a route like ATL-TLV with a LR when the ER makes it fine and the ER is cheaper? I do think DL will still be a m
54 Steeler83 : Here's to a strong, bright, and vibrant future for Delta! I just checked the bookings for the SLC-PIT-SLC flights, and they look to be filling up quit
55 ConcordeBoy : ...from where though? DL investigated securing used Trent-powered 772ERs from several Asian airlines, and ran from both of them.
56 BlackKnight : As stated in the plan and in my first post. If SLC builds the planned expansion they are committed to come. The Salt Lake City International Airport
57 ConcordeBoy : tell that to DFW.
58 Dl757md : But who's going to pay for it? Not SLC. An airline(s) will have to pay for it up front. None of those airlines will do that. DL757Md
59 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : Lets all hope for many good years to come
60 BlackKnight : There are many risks invovled. There was the same in Denver but if SLC does not take the risk then and play it safe then they will not be a major pla
61 ConcordeBoy : ...which is the same fate that'd await them should they miscalculate and overspend on an over-zealous expansion that the market doesn't facilitate. W
62 BlackKnight : That's why Airports spend big dollars for their directors. Just like any other corporation, playing safe gets you nowhere. What if Boeing had played
63 ConcordeBoy : ...think so? Try searching the terms "ConcordeBoy", "MSY", and "CDG".... Boeing deciding not to stretch the 744 circa 2000, 2002, and 2003 And yet th
64 WesternA318 : But no airline that has or will fly the 787 that we know of yet hubs out of DEN. Bob Six did just that until the CAB awarded CO the LAX-ORD nonstop a
65 BlackKnight : I beg to defer on this point. They as good negotiators and are playing to: 1) Keep SLC Delta at the lowest possible cost. (Keep others out) (Which is
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