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Why AF Flies To IAH?  
User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5950 times:

Hi!

This is just a mere curious question, why AF have been flying for many years to IAH? Is there any particular reason for french/us citizens to fly there?
Regards

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User currently offlineTYCOON From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 393 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5941 times:

Houston is one of the largest US cities and one of the global centres of the oil industry. AF flies alot of IAH traffic thru their CDG hub onto places such as Angola, Gabon and the Middle East.
I have been in the AF lounge at CDG a number of times when a group of transiting Texans sat next to me. They were either on their way out or on their way back to Houston from one of the oil producing nations of Africa and the Middle East.
The main French banks all have branches in Houston which is also an indication of the importance Houston has.


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6097 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5906 times:

As Tycoon said, Houston is a very surprisingly diverse city. My fiancee is there and I frequent Houston monthly and was very surprised. The oil connection adding to that makes IAH a desirable city for AF amongst other int'l carrier with more to come I'd expect.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3429 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5888 times:

Also it is the largest hub of one of it's Sky Team partners, CO. From IAH, French AF customers can connect onto a CO flight to many of the American, Latin American and Caribbean destinations not served by AF directly. I'm guessing it comes down to the old hub to hub philosophy.

AA1818



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User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5853 times:

Both AF and KL fly to IAH. Nowadays, IAH seems to be a Skyteam fortress served by AF, CO, KL, and perhaps soon by KE. However, I remember reading that both AF and KL have been flying to IAH continuously since the 1950s. Originally, IAH may have been a stopover on flights from Europe to MEX.

User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5853 times:

Quoting CV990 (Thread starter):

1 word : OIL


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5838 times:

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 3):
I'm guessing it comes down to the old hub to hub philosophy.

But as the thread starter mentioned, AF has been a staple at IAH for some time.......even though the SkyTeam HUB might now be in place with CO it wasn't always the case.

Quoting AS739X (Reply 2):
Houston is a very surprisingly diverse city

Certainly is, and keep that Grey Goose inbound!  Smile



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User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5801 times:

Hi!

Thanks a lot all of you...I didn't expect to have such a wide panel of answers but I now fully understand that!!!
regards


User currently offlineShanderawx From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5503 times:
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The French presence here in Houston never ceases to amaze me. I grew up in San Antonio where it iwas unusual to hear French in public. Here there are over 80 French companies who have Houston branches, my church has a French Mass once a month, the local Alliance Francaise has been a mainstay of the culture scene here for at least 30 years, and between CO and AF there are 3-4 flights to Paris daily. The de Menil family bequeathed an incredible cultural gift to the city with the Menil Museum (always open free to the public), a museum that was the first work by architectural Pritzker Prize winner Renzo Piano in the United States. It is easy to maintain or further develop French language skills here (the Alliance has 2 French literature circles, for example). The local consulate keeps a home for the consul in River Oaks.
All in all, the relations between France and Houston are surprisingly strong and, yes, oil is the reason, but the spinoff has been superb.


User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2272 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day ago) and read 5371 times:

Yea Houston seems to get just a little oil-induced traffic :P

Regarding all who fly here, no one mentioned the new Emirates N/S service to DXB starting in December. (and we're still waiting on Korean Air and Air India to be official whens/hows etc.) Also our cargo services here are BOOMING. It seems like every month we get a new cargo carrier or established carriers increasing service.

Having moved here in the past year, its actually a much larger city than I ever expected. I never knew it was the 4th largest in the Country.

ATCT
Hook 'em Horns
(Sorry LT-AWACS, im stealing your line)



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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3923 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 23 hours ago) and read 5244 times:

You know when I first read CV 990's question, I was a little insulted. However after sitting back and dissecting the question, I suppose I can understand what he is asking. Let's face it, unless you do a lot of business or have family here, Houston barely registers, as it is simply not a city that gets a lot of attention. What little press Houston does get from the national or int'l media is often far from flattering. Most outside of Texas who are not familiar with the state, will often see Dallas as being the main port of entry (in terms of air service), in addition they tend to see Dallas as the state's largest city (yes, I know that the DFW MSA is some 500k+ larger than that of Houston's) as well as the state's economic powerhouse.

Like many newcomers to Texas (some 12 years here, I suppose I am a naturalized Texan at this point), I had many misgivings about making Texas and particular Houston my home. And while it took some time, I have really learned to love H-Town (despite the oppressive summer heat and humidity) and would be hard pressed to leave. In that short period of time I have seen the city move (and continuing to transform itself) from regional metro area into a respectable center of international commerce, trade, finance, medicine, space exploration and of course energy, in addition to a respectable diplomatic corp. While Houston will never rival the likes of an LA or NYC, in terms of notoriety, I sincerely believe that Houston will in some 10-20 years will rival the likes of Chicago in the "respectable" category. That said, the powers that be at this stage simply do a really piss-poor job of selling the city. Until such time I am afraid that Houston will always be seen as a 2nd tier city, even in Texas (by non-Texans and many Dallasites). As much as it pains me to say, perhaps it is time that Houston takes a page from Dallas's play book and learn where Dallas is succeeding and Houston is not.

Just my .02.

Thomas

[Edited 2007-04-30 23:23:59]


"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5162 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 23 hours ago) and read 5188 times:

You know Thomas--I think that our city has rounded the corner -- I travel alot...and it seems more and more people outside of TX and the US know much more about Houston than what I thought. Dallas has 'stagnated' somewhat in that noteriety area since 'Dallas' went off air. I liken that to the city's hiphop industry which mentions Houston and Texas in every song (hip hop is the core of popular culture now hate it or love it) Beyonce etc, then there is the whole Katrina thing that put it at the forefront of media/followed up by Rita (largest evacuation in U.S. History, then there is Enron/Halliburton and all, SuperBowl, MLB and NBA All-Star Games. So I say that to say Houston had a lot of media grabbing instances that put it at the forefront. Surprisingly, I maybe find 1 person out of 10 outside of Houston that doesnt like it...unless I go up to that roAAdstop on I45.  Wink


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User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 22 hours ago) and read 5153 times:

You know, I was in Houston for business a few months ago (visiting a company that does business in drilling, of course) and I stayed at the Sofitel there near IAH. When I *saw* there was a Sofitel there, I was sort of shocked. I know Houston is a big city, but among upscale hotel chains, Sofitel has a very limited pentration in this country. San Fran, NY, Chicago, Miami, LA...they're in the big international tourist markets, places with cachet and plenty of flights to and from CDG, where their brand carries a ton more weight. (It's virtually unknown here in the US) Houston is not the place I expected to find one, as it's not the kind of upscale leisure market I would have associated with the brand.

Now, seeing that there's a large cultural and travel connection, it makes a TON more sense.



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 22 hours ago) and read 5109 times:

WOW those direct deposits into the bank accounts of Thomasphoto60, Drerx7, and Lemurs really paid off for some nice publicity and comments for my home for the last 25 years.....ATCT you're a paid employee so you don't get that direct deposit thing ! Smile

Nicely done folks......

Quoting Lemurs (Reply 12):
When I *saw* there was a Sofitel there, I was sort of shocked. I know Houston is a big city, but among upscale hotel chains, Sofitel has a very limited pentration in this country

Yes it has been a long time resident of that location, I can't remember if it was there when I moved here but if not way back when very soon afterwards.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8284 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 22 hours ago) and read 5074 times:
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Air France and KLM have been part of teh Houston fabric way before Continental got big at IAH. Remember Continental was run from Los Angeles by BOB SIX for years until Frank Lorenzo, of Eastern Fame( before Eastern), merged it into Texas Air , moved the headquarters and hub to Houston. The rest as they say is history... a terribly sad one.

User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 22 hours ago) and read 5074 times:

Hi!

The last thing I wanted was to insult any friends from Houston!!! But you must agree, IAH can be a very common place to fly from any US place, I would expect to see AF or any other airline to fly to places like IAD, ORD, BOS, MIA...even DEN or PHX is not so common but you have BA and LH flying there too, but IAH was quite of interesting...and AF??? Even more!!! But let me ask you something, do we have any other foreign airlines flying to IAH or just AF?
regards


User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 22 hours ago) and read 5051 times:

Quoting CV990 (Reply 15):
But let me ask you something, do we have any other foreign airlines flying to IAH or just AF?

Tons. Way more than DFW, for example (which is a very comparable airport in a lot of ways serving a fairly comparable metro area.) I can't give a very good accounting off the top of my head, but there are several people in this thread who will do an excellent job of that, so I'll leave it to them.  Wink



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User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 22 hours ago) and read 5027 times:

Quoting CV990 (Reply 15):
But let me ask you something, do we have any other foreign airlines flying to IAH or just AF?
regards

BA, KL, CI, AC, either AM or MX (can't remember), I believe TACA, among many others.



GO ROCKETS
User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3923 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 21 hours ago) and read 4956 times:

Quoting CV990 (Reply 15):
The last thing I wanted was to insult any friends from Houston!!!

Hey CV990,

No insult taken despite my comment.

Checkout the websites linked below for some insight on Houston's aviation scene.

http://www.fly2houston.com/home

http://www.houstonspotters.net/

Thomas



"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 21 hours ago) and read 4908 times:

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 4):
IAH seems to be a Skyteam fortress served by AF, CO

 checmark 

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 4):
both AF and KL have been flying to IAH continuously since the 1950s

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BA, LH, KL and AF have always been the 4 staples of international service. I miss the old days where they all used to bring in 747's, but our service isn't doing so badly right now. BA is sticking with 2 daily 777's to LGW, and we're likely to see a 744 when IAH-LHR service begins. LH has upgraded to the A346, and IIRC plans to bring in the 744 this summer to FRA. KL has always been consistent with the 744 combi, and AF is working with a daily 772 with an additional 332 frequency a few days a week. They were flying the 77W here not too long ago. The fact that these four carriers are making good money flying to IAH (as well as CO's IAH-CDG/LGW/AMS traffic) shows that there is a big market for intl. traffic here. Now if only we could se some more Asia service... I'm waiting for CO's 787's to arrive.

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 6):
Certainly is, and keep that Grey Goose inbound! Smile

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Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 10):
the powers that be at this stage simply do a really piss-poor job of selling the city.

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Sad but true. They really need to do a better job of developing the public transit here. The first light rail line is good, but they really need to speed up the process of expanding the network. So many people are stuck in the past and against it though, even though traffic and highway problems only continue to get worse. It's amazing to me that there's no commuter rail service from Downtown or the Galleria to places like Sugar Land, Katy, Cyprus, etc, as driving out there is pure hell!


User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 21 hours ago) and read 4864 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 13):
WOW those direct deposits into the bank accounts of Thomasphoto60, Drerx7, and Lemurs really paid off for some nice publicity and comments for my home for the last 25 years

You'll probably want to send a stop-payment to me, because I still really don't like Houston much.  Smile The sprawl, the weather, the general...unremarkable nature of it. I don't hate it, but I can't find a single reason to like it, let alone love it. I'm just kinda "meh" about it. Other than Terminal E and the fantastic PC there of course.  Smile

In fact, I was talking with some other flyers in the PC during that same trip, and it hit me the best way to summarize how unremarkable Houston is to most of the country: For the life of us, including multiple life-long Houston residences, (flyers, bartenders, etc) not one of us could think of a song that had to do with singing the praises of Houston. There are songs about tons of cities, big and small, in the US, but Houston has nothing. At least songs that have serious social recognition. If you have one that I've overlooked, I'd be glad to hear it. I'd like to go back and tell the bartenders at the PC about it.  Smile

(Btw, I recognize that Houston has a good music scene...but even there it's overshadowed by the incredible music scene in Austin just a short hop away...)



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 20 hours ago) and read 4842 times:

Quoting Lemurs (Reply 20):
You'll probably want to send a stop-payment to me, because I still really don't like Houston much

It has been stopped and your future rooms at the Sofitel are now in the basement!  Big grin Or on the Beltway during a nice steamy summer afternoon thunderstorm while you're listening to the Austin rad........................................oh the power just went out and your radio has no batteries, but fear not, you can wade across the highway in the 4 ft of water from that storm and get more!  box 

Hey thanks for coming totally clean.....and ya know what it doesn't matter as someone likes it or these houses wouldn't be selling around here like they're the only homes in the state.



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User currently offlineMike89406 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1460 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 20 hours ago) and read 4814 times:

Quoting CV990 (Thread starter):
Hi!

This is just a mere curious question, why AF have been flying for many years to IAH? Is there any particular reason for french/us citizens to fly there?
Regards

In addition to the aforementioned reasons IAH is The #4 most populated city in the US without counting the metro or suburban population, and its closeness to Latin America the Gulf coast, and Carribean makes it the ideal location for a hub in that area thus increasing the desirable place for foreign carriers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...United_States_cities_by_population

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_areas_by_population

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest...metropolitan_areas_in_the_Americas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_metropolitan_areas


User currently offlineNateDAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 20 hours ago) and read 4805 times:

Quoting Lemurs (Reply 20):
For the life of us, including multiple life-long Houston residences, (flyers, bartenders, etc) not one of us could think of a song that had to do with singing the praises of Houston.

Dean Martin - "Houston"

I love Houston, but I am a native. Houston is a city that visitors usually just don't understand. However, people that either are from Houston or move there typically love it and won't leave. It is a great city that really grows on you.



Set Love Free
User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5162 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 20 hours ago) and read 4792 times:

Quoting Lemurs (Reply 20):
At least songs that have serious social recognition. If you have one that I've overlooked, I'd be glad to hear it. I'd like to go back and tell the bartenders at the PC about it. Smile

LOL - There are a lot of hip hop songs that mention Houston in them. "Now what yall know about them Texas boyz..."

"H-Toooown, home of two drop top arenas...."
"Welcome to the city of game, piece and chain and swang, pop trunk and bang where they show no shame, I'm out that down south city where they show no pity - candy paint looking pretty making haters feel $*#!!y - See I'm a lone star baller and a chop shop crawler - went from a BMX to a GS Lex, born and raised in Houston, Tex where they barre no plex..

If you need a translation.....

Nowadays its the hiphop industry that drives popular culture -- all those national events have a major hip hop component...now whether or not a.netters like hip hop...thats another thing LOL.

my personal motto ---> 3rd Coast Born Means I'm Texas Raised

Oh and can't forget about the Med Center and shopping allure to foreign carriers. Not to mention Houston has the second largest number of theater seats outside of New York.



Third Coast born, means I'm Texas raised
25 LAXdude1023 : IAH is much larger than both PHX and DEN on the Metro level and larger than both of them on the City population level. Houston is the 4th largest cit
26 N844AA : Exactly. I actually feel like this is true for most of Texas -- if you haven't spent much time there, you don't understand that it's a genuinely nice
27 Post contains images Lemurs : I am seriously laughing out loud right now...belly laughing even. I'll share some stories that I know you and the rest of the Houstonites will apprec
28 N844AA : This is another point I thought about making. Houston reminds me a lot of Fort Worth, except a Fort Worth six times Fort Worth's size. But I've seen
29 Post contains images Coal : Wow, this sounds quite interesting. My company (mining) has a large corporate office in Houston, but I've always dreaded the option of one day reloca
30 KL911 : Also don't forget to mention IAH's only transatlantic 737 service by KLM/Privatair to AMS in an all businessclass layout, which proofs that the route
31 IAHFLYR : Come to think of it, KLM has been flying to Houston since 1957 if my Houston history class remembering is correct, the days when Hobby (HOU) was the b
32 Post contains links 102IAHexpress : I disagree. Our public transit is excellent. Keep in mind that Houston’s transit's core mission is to provide mobility to those without it, whether
33 Stevens91 : CO shares the AF Lounge at CDG T2A
34 LAXdude1023 : With all due respect, no it isnt. Houston has abysmal public transit when compared to other cities its size and even smaller. Houston needs more rail
35 102IAHexpress : With all due respect, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Rail transit outside of NYC is pretty much throwing money down the drain for the
36 Mike89406 : I lived in NYC for a while and the subway serves NYC well, and cuts back on traffic seriously despite the traffic jams it could be 10X worse W/O a com
37 Drerx7 : This is why I'm glad I live inside the loop in the Medical Center/University of Houston/Texas Southern area
38 Post contains images Glareskin : I've always knew that it is big and the Texas Medical Center is quite impressive! But no, it's hard to imagine that Houston will ever have the status
39 Drerx7 : Status of Chicago...hmm thats a tall order--but I do think that Houston will overtake Chicago as the nations 3rd largest city (not metro area) within
40 LAXdude1023 : Im not trying to bash Houston, I love Houston, but I dont believe it has a great public transit. A good bus system doesnt mean that public transit ov
41 B752OS : I disagree...highways and tollroads are not the answer....have you ever been to Los Angeles? I live in Boston where we have a pretty good sized city,
42 Post contains images IAHFLYR : I thought, remember though I am old (A TC T) But I did hear some rumblings of the city wanting to run the Metro from downtown out to IAH, I think the
43 Post contains images Drerx7 : I almost agree...except that I would say that Houston is just as culturally diverse. Houston will overtake them in due time in terms of the number 3
44 Ssides : The low population density of these metro areas makes any rail system a big-time money loser. Freeways and tollways are a much better use of transpor
45 ScottB : Unfortunately, the Sofitel in Houston is no longer a Sofitel, it's a Crowne Plaza or something like that. But it had been a Sofitel for at least 20 y
46 FlyingClrs727 : So why does Houston need rail rather than more busses? Rail takes years to build just one route, and then it's really inflexible. There are lots of s
47 Lemurs : Since late January of this year it has changed? Because that's when I was staying there...if so...wow, that was quick!
48 Post contains links FlyingClrs727 : Well it's listed in Google Map as Hotel Sofitel, and it has an official website on the sofitel.com website. http://www.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=s...Ho
49 Post contains links 102IAHexpress : There are so many things wrong with that sentence I don’t even know where to begin. For not being as culturaly diverse as Chicago Houston sure does
50 Post contains images N844AA : I find this to be an excellent summary. There's a lot in here that explains why Houston and Chicago are two of my favorite cities in this country. Th
51 SkyyMaster : I lived in the Dallas area for all of the 80's and 90's. IMO, folks there always tended to look down on Houston. We (Dallas) had the bigger/busier air
52 LAXdude1023 : Great Summery 102IAHexpress! I think it sums up the two well. Except: I dont think this is really accurate. Chicago is no doubt a democratic city, bu
53 FlyDreamliner : IAH is a big city with a red-hot economy. It's a skyteam hub, and it is one of the two big hubs of oil (the other being DFW) which has become more imp
54 Post contains links and images NateDAL : You must read Tory Gattis' blog. I agree with him on most things. http://houstonstrategies.blogspot.com/
55 Brons2 : You work for those TXDot rubes as a highway planner, don't you? The car is dead, and peak oil will be upon us soon. You just haven't woken up to that
56 Post contains images IAHFLYR : Just drove past the hotel formerly known as Hotel Sofitel.........sadly it has a sign hanging from the building now saying Crown Plaza! Worst part is
57 Post contains links and images CO777DAL : I have to disagree here. Look no further than to Houston’s sister city a short drive up I-45. DART (Dallas Area Rapid Transit) has been a huge succ
58 Post contains images Thomasphoto60 : Just a fluke, don't get too excited. No doubt that H-Town will regain it's rightful place on this list Thomas
59 NateDAL : You are wrong. DART rail is a huge waste of money. For example, the subsidy for DART rail was $3.01 per passanger last year, and a whopping $6.45 for
60 Brons2 : Every system's got to start somewhere. I remember the tollway in Houston when it only ran from US59 to the I-10 Katy Freeway. There wasn't a lot of t
61 Post contains links and images 102IAHexpress : LOL Have you seen the ridership numbers for DART? I have nothing against rail per se, and I don't mind paying for it, but if you think that taxpayers
62 IAHFLYR : The thread is about AF and IAH folks!!!!!
63 Drerx7 : Whats the likelihood of AF sending us a 747?
64 Post contains images IAHFLYR : As posted earlier........the cargo group does send us a B742 at least a couple of times a week....pax, mmmmmm, they bring us some Goose, we may let t
65 Lemurs : I just want to point out that roads have the same problem unless they are toll roads, but no one ever seems to complain about new roads being put in
66 CV990 : Hi! I got "an eye" in what KL911 said...that IAH is "mainly a business route, not tourism" and that for me is very interesting, because we the huge am
67 N844AA : Yeah, and like has been mentioned in this thread, the economy in Houston is absolutely booming, and has been for a few years now. Also, I think Total
68 Pbb152 : Slight correction--AF uses a 744F to IAH. Usually routing CDG-MEX-IAH-CDG. It runs 2x a week. Another slight correction--BA is currently flying 20 we
69 Post contains images IAHFLYR : They must have taken the winglets off of the 400 then as the last couple that I've seen certainly didn't have them attached and the flight plan was B
70 Post contains links Pbb152 : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AFR6419/history http://flightaware.com/live/flight_event_history.rvt?ident=AFR6443 744F as far back as I can see.[E
71 Post contains images IAHFLYR : All I can tell ya is what I saw and that's it.....I know my eyes are old but the number 4 didn't use to look like the number 2 and I am not going to s
72 Post contains images ATCT : Good website if I say so myself ATCT
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