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Red And White - Turkish Aviation In May  
User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3009 posts, RR: 11
Posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6652 times:

Merhaba arkadaslar,

it is the 1st of May and like every month let's start a new thread about the Turkish aviation.
To summarize the contents of April:

- TK's KUL service
- open sky agreement Turkey - Cameroon / flights between IST - YAO
- TK will lease B738's from XQ

What will happen in May? Any new routes, new destinations, new aircrafts, new airports??? Feel free to add every information you've got.

I also want to start a discussion about TK. Everybody of you could see the enourmous grow of TK in the last months. They want to be a 'big player' as well as a 5 star airline in the future. Their loads are good, they're expanding very healthy, expect several new aircrafts and get rid of the old and leased ones.
But what I want to ask you is how it would be if TK creates a subsidiary for their regional business? Somethink like TK Regional... If you look at all major European airlines, all of them have such subsidiaries: LH Cityline, AF Regional, BA Connect, Iberia Regional, Alitalia Express and many more...
If I'm not mistaken every Turkish airline could fly from every point of Turkey to another without any restrictions. Is that right? I think with a regional airline TK could serve other markets than IST and with very low operating costs. The aviation in Turkey is an expanding market and the population is very high. There is no real rail road system, the coach rides take almost a whole day. So the fastest and easiest way to get from West to East or North to South is airtravel. In my eyes TK could to very well with such a subsidiary. Feeder traffic to IST for the mainline traffic is one think. As I said before regional traffic between 'smaller' cities is another big business. They don't have to fill B738s or A320s on these routes. Smaller regional aircrafts such as an ERJ170 or CRJ700/900 could operate very well with very low costs. These are my thoughts.
Let's discuss! Big grin

Selamlar...

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User currently offlineAnkaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 274 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6613 times:
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The idea of a regional airline by THY is good but this segment of the market is already dominated by other carriers in Turkey. Nevertheless TK should proceed with this but I have serious doubts if they will do so.

Should they do this, they should base it at Ankara ESB as there is spare capacity in the airport as well as the geographical location making it ideal to serve any point in Turney without back-track.

Fleet selection is important for such a regional carrier also and there are various options (no turbo props) for that but a harmonised fleet would be ideal ( i.e. all ERJ series)


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4463 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6593 times:

Merhabalar from a rain soaked Marmaris,
Stylo thanks for the May thread, keeping it monthly so we can search it better for many years to come. I think when starting these threads we should include the year also, right?
Yesterday I flew an almost full IST-DLM flight and IST was a TK parking lot. We were number 7 to take off at 8am. I saw three ex-TK already painted 737s in front of the TK Hangar, Adam air, Air Berlin and an Air One. Many MNG, ACT and Saudi Cargo jets. I will try to do a TR when I get back.
I will try to check in as slow connections allow.


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3009 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6567 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 2):
Stylo thanks for the May thread, keeping it monthly so we can search it better for many years to come. I think when starting these threads we should include the year also, right?

the idea is good! how could I change the name of the thread??? is this possible?

Quoting Ankaraflyjet (Reply 1):
Should they do this, they should base it at Ankara ESB as there is spare capacity in the airport as well as the geographical location making it ideal to serve any point in Turney without back-track.

this could work well, but my idea was a little bit different to that. I thought of a decentralized system with point-to-point flights and without changing the airplane to get from A to B. I know, ESB is situated in the middle in the country and would work well in such a regional hub system, but this is not a profitable system. point to point flights with low operating cost is the real system in my eyes!


User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1452 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6559 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Thread starter):
- TK's KUL service

Well, I haven't heard anything official yet but Wikipedia claims that IST-KUL starts on June 10, 2007. Maybe again an extension to BKK service or a direct A 330 service... Let's wait and see.....



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User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3009 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6551 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 4):

Well, I haven't heard anything official yet but Wikipedia claims that IST-KUL starts on June 10, 2007. Maybe again an extension to BKK service or a direct A 330 service... Let's wait and see.....

nothing in the schedule, nothing on their website and even on amadeus... only the MH flight still exists as non-stop connection between IST and KUL.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26021 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6529 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Thread starter):
Their loads are good, they're expanding very healthy, expect several new aircrafts

And profitable !

Quoting Stylo777 (Thread starter):
But what I want to ask you is how it would be if TK creates a subsidiary for their regional business?



Quoting Stylo777 (Thread starter):
Smaller regional aircrafts such as an ERJ170 or CRJ700/900 could operate very well with very low costs

TK has done lots of work looking at an RJ aircraft. Matter of fact they were quite close to ordering the Embraer family during late 2005/early 2006.

There is a very compelling business case to be made that Turkey which has dozen of smaller communities lacking air service could be linked to a larger network and hub such as IST and also use RJs to provide point-to-point service to many smaller communities by passing connections in Ankara or Istanbul.

The Achilles heal of such arguments using RJ's has been the same reason that has spanned massive increase in domestic travel in recent years. The deregulation of the Turkish civil aviation sector has caused a massive increase in seat capacity which has naturally lowered air-fares to often cheaper then bus travel. Such low fares in many ways are not compatible with the per seat cost of operating an RJ. From economics point of view one almost needs all the seat capacity of A32X/B737 to help cover the operating cost. The jury is still out on Atlasjet and its attempts to use CRJs on domestic services and its long term sustainability.

For now, THY has opted to maintain the A319 as its smallest aircraft avoiding the temptation of the RJ game. If THY were ever to venture into smaller aircraft, I would say it would be to offer service to smaller European and regional routes and not for the domestic market which is getting closer and closer to a Easyjet vs Ryanair battle.



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User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6481 times:

Selam Arkadaslar!
Sorry I couldn't participate on the April edition but I'm looking forward to May discussion.
Anybody had any clues on when will TK order their next batch of long haul a/c's, a la 787/350 Laxintl mentioned months ago that the RFP's are submitted from both manufacturers. Thanks



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User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3009 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6437 times:

Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 7):
Anybody had any clues on when will TK order their next batch of long haul a/c's,

I don't thing that this will happen in the near future, but there were talks about a short time leasing of an A330 for the summer months.


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3947 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6427 times:
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Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 8):
Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 7):
Anybody had any clues on when will TK order their next batch of long haul a/c's,

I don't thing that this will happen in the near future, but there were talks about a short time leasing of an A330 for the summer months.

Me neither I don't think it will happen in the near future but they should start looking for an A340 replacement. Yes sure the A340's are still young, they date from the mid 90's, but they have to think of a new aircraft to replace the A340 with deliveries starting early next decade, either the A340-500 or the B777-200LR, or even the B787-10 if it becomes available by then. It's obvious they won't buy B748's or A380's. I don't even see them ordering A340-600's or B777-300ER's, or anything larger than a B772ER. The new A350XWB is also a possibility.
This is no A vs B battle. Even though I admire the A products as much as I admire the B products, I think that ordering new aircraft from the Toulouse manufacturer might help Turkey join the EU in the future.

Ben Soriano
Brussels Belgium



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User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3009 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6408 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 9):
I think that ordering new aircraft from the Toulouse manufacturer might help Turkey join the EU in the future.

........ do they want to join the EU at all?  bouncy 

the A340-300 is in my eyes the best ever decision of TK they ever made. this aircraft fits perfectly in their route map and their operations. it is difficult to replace such a successful aircraft.
a question regarding that: how long does it take to 'upgrade' a B737-800 or even A330/340 pilot for a B777? how long does it take to get the type rating?


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3947 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6397 times:
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Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 10):

the A340-300 is in my eyes the best ever decision of TK they ever made. this aircraft fits perfectly in their route map and their operations.

I agree with you about that. I was only saying they should start thinking on what will replace it not in the near future but in the long run. That's why I was mentioning the A345 as one possible replacement aircraft for the 2010's. I think that the B777-200LR would also suit them, ETOPS restrictions should not be a problem for the Istanbul based airline.
Regarding your question, I don't know how long it takes for an airline pilot to get the B777 type rating but I would say it is probably a six-week course, maybe two months I am not too sure about that. If a B737-800 pilot wants to start training on the B777 or A330/A340, it would take for him or her as much time to get qualified on one aircraft or the other. If an A320 pilot wants to start training on the A330/A340 then yes that should be easy for him or her. If you look at TK's fleet, the only Boeing aircraft they have is the B737-400/800, all wide bodies are Airbus, so whenever a B737 pilot decides to start training on the A330/A340 he or she will have to take as much training as if he or she were switching to the B777.
Pilotaydin must know, he is pilot for Turkish Airlines.

Ben Soriano
Brussels Belgium



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User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3009 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6371 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 11):
Pilotaydin must know, he is pilot for Turkish Airlines.

and still in the states Big grin

Quoting American 767 (Reply 11):
on the A330/A340 he or she will have to take as much training as if he or she were switching to the B777.

what about the communality between A340 and A350X??? I suppose it is easier for those pilots to get the type rating as for for the B777, isn't it?

what about a temporarily A330-300 order? Almost the same aircraft like A340-300 with the advantages of the A330-200. No weight restrictions on the atlantic route and available very soon. And even cheaper than an A350...


User currently offlineTurkishSky From Turkey, joined Mar 2004, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6347 times:

I just remembered the offline destinations THY flew in the past:

Benghazi
Thessaloniki
Dammam
Baghdad
Kuala Lumpur
Jakarta
Miami

Johannesburg and Cape Town are to restart next September. I wonder if any of the above would start in the near future. Baghdad is most unlikely but the rest are quite possible.



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User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1452 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6333 times:

Quoting TurkishSky (Reply 13):
Jakarta

I don't think TK ever flew to Jakarta....



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User currently offlineTurkishSky From Turkey, joined Mar 2004, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6311 times:

very shortly during Refahyol coalition back in 1996 to reinforce ties between Turkey and Indonesia. An unsuccessful move by Erbakan...


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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4463 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6262 times:

Miami and CPT, would be fighting each other during winters, hey why not? I hear real estate is cheaper in CPT and better local wines. On the other hand MIA will be a great feeder to the cruiseliners.
Anyone here became a member of the below site? I like it a lot, a very good way of keeping track of my flights.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5908 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6217 times:

Pakistan rejected a proposal put forward by Turkey to have open skies between the two, complete with code shares as well as direct air services to Lahore and Islamabad by TK.

User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3009 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6153 times:

Airporthaber is reporting the come-back of FlyAir. They took back two of their planes from Saudi Arabia (I suppose A300s...) and the planes are undergoing MX for the restart of the company.

Personally I don't want to see FlyAir flying again. Also airlines like WorldFocus, BestAir or GoldenAirlines are a big image lost for the Turkish aviation.


User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6150 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 5):
Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 4):

Well, I haven't heard anything official yet but Wikipedia claims that IST-KUL starts on June 10, 2007. Maybe again an extension to BKK service or a direct A 330 service... Let's wait and see.....

nothing in the schedule, nothing on their website and even on amadeus... only the MH flight still exists as non-stop connection between IST and KUL.

Could be a logical move as the aircraft just sits on the ramp in BKK throughout the day. I believe there is a good market between BKK and KUL, providing they keep the fares at the same level or lower than Lufthansa's. I personally would prefer to fly TK on this route instead of LH.


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3009 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6144 times:

Quoting Levent (Reply 19):
Could be a logical move as the aircraft just sits on the ramp in BKK throughout the day. I believe there is a good market between BKK and KUL, providing they keep the fares at the same level or lower than Lufthansa's. I personally would prefer to fly TK on this route instead of LH.

In my eyes they must look forward to another destination than KUL if they want to extend the BKK flight to another asian destination, because three *A carriers on that route is too much. TK could put they code on LH and TG flights.


User currently offlineLTAC03R From Turkey, joined Dec 2005, 62 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6104 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 18):
Personally I don't want to see FlyAir flying again. Also airlines like WorldFocus, BestAir or GoldenAirlines are a big image lost for the Turkish aviation.

I couldn't agree more. Fly air is the fourth revival of a bankruptcy chain starting with Air Alfa. Allowing them to fly again is simply waiting for accidents to happen.



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4463 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6021 times:

hey guys,
just wanted to share this with you. last night i had one of my bumpiest flights out of DLM. TK A321 with almost a full load, few mins after take-off we hit some mod. turbulence all the way to Edremit. Our shown speed was around 700ph. and altitude 7000m. Once we descended to 6400m. around Edremit all was fine. I will try to do a TR with inflight video soon.
Questions:
-Why that slow? 200kph headwinds?
-Why that low?
And as usual no comments whatsoever from the cockpit.
it was bad enough that no one got up to use the restrooms during the flight. i was about to use the sick-bag. it wasn't so much about the bumps, more so of swaying side to side that got me as if we were on a Cessna.
And very strange when we landed around 11pm, we parked all the way in front of the TK teknik hangars, with busses waiting. Talk about IST being a parking lot.


User currently offlineN272WA From Ireland, joined Jun 2007, 410 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6015 times:

Hey guys, how is TK's Istanbul - Dublin route doing? I note they have increased service gradually on this service! Good to see!

Thanks,
N272WA



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User currently offlineLTAC03R From Turkey, joined Dec 2005, 62 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6010 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 22):
-Why that slow? 200kph headwinds?
-Why that low?

TK787, first of all geçmiþ olsun. Basically, crazy spring weather has moved in as of the weekend With the sudden surge in temperatures and an unstable atmosphere, there were thunderstorms popping out all over the country yesterday. Even places inland like Erzurum and Kars got a share of thunder. Why you were going that slow (700 kph = 380 kts roughly) probably has to do with turbulence penetration speed for the A321, since its a fairly large airplane for an A320 wing. I would imagine that it flies a higher angle of attack at equivalent speeds of the A320, and therefore develops earlier transonic flow characteristics. It probably also has to do with the fact that you were flying low (7000 m = 23000 ft). And yes winds aloft have been strong and straight out of the west for a few days. Which partly answers your second question. Here are the constant pressure charts from 00 GMT.
http://www.meteor.gov.tr/FTPDATA/analiz/harita/500hpa.jpg
http://www.meteor.gov.tr/FTPDATA/analiz/harita/300hpa.jpg
500 hpa is roughly 18,000 ft and 300 hpa is roughly 30,000 ft. Upper air flows parallel to the isohypses. The closer they are stronger the wind. As you can see, big difference between 18,000 and 30,000. Now there may also have been heavier turbulence at higher levels, i dont have much info to comment on that.

As for parking at the mx hangars, either the plane got a good beating too or IST is turning into a parking lot and we may end up with deðnekçis pretty soon. Abi uçaða iyi bakarýz burda Hope you enjoyed the meteorology class.

*edited for spelling

[Edited 2007-05-09 10:35:52]


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25 TK787 : thanks for all that explanation. it might have been worse higher. all i wanted was similar info from the cockpit as simple as: "sorry for the bumps, w
26 GFA330 : QR WILL GO DAILY THIS SUMMER GF WILL GO DOWN FROM 4 TO 3 FREQ A WEEK ON BAH
27 Post contains images TurkishWings : Tell me about it...Yesterday, I had one of the worst turbulence ever.... I was flying AYT-IST on Atlas Jet A-320. About 4-5 minutes after take off, w
28 Bahadir : What do you all think about Pegasus not flying as many domestic flights as last summer? To give you an idea they are not even flying SAW-BJV on daily
29 TurkishWings : They started a lot of scheduled European flights. Therefore, I guess they do not have enough aircraft....
30 TK787 : I think the domestic competition got too tough for some. Again looking at some fares today for IST-DLM for Aug. Pegasus have a daily flight out of SA
31 Stylo777 : just bought my tickets for 70YTL IST-ADB and return with IzAir. very very cheap if you look at TK (180YTL) and even KK (149YTL)
32 Stylo777 : Lufthansa is expanding its operations to Turkey. With effective of the 5th of July LH add a new daily evening flight between FRA-IST. LH3348 will depa
33 Post contains links Stylo777 : just caught this from another thread: EgyptAir Increase JED And IST Flights (by Horus Apr 27 2007 in Civil Aviation) "Istanbul From 04JUN07 the airlin
34 Stylo777 : according to CH-Aviation "8Q is planning to add A330s to its fleet..." leasing or new aircrafts? is the era of A300s going out (in Turkey)?
35 Laxintl : Yes Onur has been looking at the type. From what I understand the airline is actually due to announce a partnership with the new budget airline Air A
36 Post contains links TK787 : Anyone heard about this? http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=111175 An interview with the Brazilian Ambassador to Turkey inc
37 Stylo777 : not heard yet, but I think it is only hot air. I can't think of TR-BR direct flights with the current fleet. IST-NRT ~5603mi IST-ORD ~5491mi IST-KIX
38 Post contains links TK787 : I agree, more than likely, but maybe he knows something that we don't, could it be a Brazilian carrier? Also my last TR is up and running; JFK-IST-JF
39 ThereAndBack : TAV will probably get it. Great report and pictures. Are you going to post some pictures from domestic flights too? Have any of you seen TK's route m
40 Post contains images TurkishWings : I was contacted by BTA Airport Catering yesterday and they offered me a job at the reception of the Airport Hotel. I have an interview with them on Fr
41 Post contains images TurkishWings : Quoting my own post My interview is at 10 AM and I am planning to go to Fly Inn later for lunch... I will grab a taxi but I don't know which cafes of
42 TurkishSky : About Flyinn: just go to the top floor where there is a common area with tables and chairs. that has the best view.
43 Post contains images Stylo777 : ....and the most variety of cafes! this could be a good alternative, but are there open-sky agreements between those countries?
44 Emrecan : Selamlar Beyler: Some details about Romania, Bucharest ( OTP ) flights. At the moment TK has 9 flights per week. The load capacity is around 65%. TK i
45 TK787 : I will try to do the domestic part when i get a chance, thanks again for checking it out. TK route map is cool, although I would have like to see a b
46 Post contains images AirCanada014 : Don't forget to add THY to Star Alliance too
47 LTAC03R : home store has the best view including the approach paths for the 36s and 06 not at all. Before they had non-winglet pictures but again both 738s. Ma
49 TK787 : ThereAndBack, Thanks as usual for the video. To give some explanation to English speakers: -TK starts to refurbish its 340s soon , with the first one
50 ThereAndBack : Does the journalist say that the seats have a delay in the movement after you press the button, and does he say he thinks they are uncomfortable? I ha
51 Stylo777 : he also speaks very clearly about their regional concept. with XQ flying from ADB to a lot of destinations in the East they already entered a new mark
52 Post contains images TurkishWings : That's where we were....The view is absolutely amazing despite the windows...All planes took off right in front of us towards the sea.. I took a few
53 Post contains links and images TurkishWings : On other, rather interesting news, Hurriyet (the biggest Turkish newspaper) claims that a TK A310 almost skidded off the runway yesterday ın IST.
54 Post contains images Emrecan : TurkishWings: Perfect pictures... I missed IST a lot. It has been around 4 months since I left my hometown. As far as I can see from the pictures 18R
55 TurkishWings : That's what I thought. But on the boards, the flight was announced as IST-DXB-SIN.
56 TurkishSky : SQ 744 flights were once a week (Fri) SIN-IST-DXB-IST for a short while only and are not operational anymore. All flights are are operated by 773 and
57 TK787 : Actually that is a NW757 aborted landing last Dec. at SEA. Around Dec. 13th if I am not mistaken, it was all over the news here. It is nice to see th
58 Post contains links TK787 : here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=119RxxTXYlI My memory keeps surprising me.
59 Gokmengs : TurkishWings, Awesome pictures what was the exact date, I might be in that DL 767, did JFK-IST 3 times in april. You are correct about the CAN fair an
60 Post contains images TurkishWings : Thnx Gokmen.. I took the pictures last Friday (18 May)
61 Post contains images Gokmengs : Nice, last time I was on DL73 was May 17th, missed my shot at fame by a day
62 Pilotaydin : hey i was at flyinn on may 19th, missed ya guys!
63 Post contains images TurkishWings : If you told us you were going there, you wouldn't have missed us
64 Post contains links TK787 : http://www.thy.com/tr-TR/corporate/about_us/fleet/index.aspx Here is the updated fleet page from TK's website: 738 engines are a bit too small, 734s h
65 TurkishWings : The whole thing is screwed up... The paint job, although looks nice, is not accurate. The 734 has one over-wing exit instead of two. The 330 engines
66 ThereAndBack : It would be really nice if it worked properly and the engine since was correct. If you press 737-800 it takes you to A320. Did TK forget that most of
67 Post contains images LTAC03R : The 734 is a 733 and all narrow body airbi have cfm engines. And we're all geeks for being so picky... a day in the life of an a.nut
68 TK001 : Selam from Adana, I strongly suggest all of you to read "Bulutlarýn Ustune Tirmanirken" by Cem Kozlu former CEO of Turkish Airlines. It is a great bo
69 Stylo777 : after Lufthansa all members of TK's frequent traveller program 'MilesSmiles' could also earn miles on all Austrian Airlines flights beginning with the
70 TK787 : Thanks for the news Stylo777, Do we know how smooth it is going between the TK and the LH so far? Anyone flown TK and got Star miles?
71 Stylo777 : The people, especially the Turkish guys, seem to be very happy. This is what I see every day at the airport at FRA. Especially the business man talk
72 Post contains images TurkishWings : I received an e-mail from TK today saying TK pax will start earning and spending miles in OS flights as of June 1, 2007. I started a thread about it
73 Post contains images Stylo777 :
74 Stylo777 : I'm looking forward to your trip report 'cause I'm doing the same trip in the end of June and I don't know what to expect of IzAir. I hope they're on
75 Post contains images TurkishWings : Wow... I didn't read your comment carefully.. Sorry
76 TK001 : As of today, Turkish Airlines starts flying to Batumi, Georgia three times a week.
77 Emrecan : My father earned bonus miles for his flights from YYZ - FRA - IST with LH. For the YYZ - FRA leg he earned 1969 miles and FRA - IST leg 579 miles. I
78 Post contains links Stylo777 : I guess you mean YVR (Vancouver) instead of YRV (Revelstoke/Canada), but there is no first class on LH's 346 only business class. take a look at this
79 Emrecan : Sorry for the wrong spelling. I mean Toronto - Lester B. Pearson Int., Canada (YYZ).
80 TK787 : Is that temporary till TK becomes an official member? I would hope so.
81 RobK : Greetings all, Can you chaps clear up a discrepancy that's currently circulating various sites concerning THYs latest A321 please? According to numero
82 Post contains images Stylo777 : I thought it was TC-JRE which was ferried last Friday according to some Turkish online forum's and the current registration list. Only 'skyliner avia
83 Post contains images RobK : Stlyo, are you the THY pilot? Could you possibly find out from your company please if it is/was TC-JRF and if so, why has JRE not been taken up? Than
84 Post contains images Stylo777 : no, unfortunately not, but I wish I was the pilot... I guess you mean piloaydin (flying the 7-3's) or WING (flying the busses). They could possibly g
85 Post contains images TurkishWings : Correct. I do not know the details but I know that it will be operated as a domestic flight for pax going to Artvin etc... He is in the army My alt d
86 Post contains images Stylo777 : PLEAAAAAAASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! do that! I'm going to fly the same routing next month for the first time with IzAir
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