PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4224 posts, RR: 89 Posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8515 times:
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El Al is reported to have renewed talks to acquire 787s after cancelling their interest in 8 to 10 frames last November.
If the report is accurate they are, after a meeting between El Als CEO and Boeings Mr Scott Carson in London last week, considering the following;
- Looking to take delivery of 2 x 787 in 2011
- Follow this up by looking at a mixture of lease and direct purchase for a further 6 to 7 frames
- This is about the same amount of frames that they held deposits for but cancelled.
The report is in a local Isreali newspaper and cites Boeing sources and a spokesman for El Al declined comment when called. Rather interesting and it would be appreciated if any local members could verify whether this is the case or add any further information.
PM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7057 posts, RR: 63
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8238 times:
El Al need a plane in this category and it beggars belief that the order won't go Boeing's way. Much as I'd love to see A330s in El Al colours (not to mention A350s!) I wouldn't bet a bean on it ever happening.
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12211 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8099 times:
Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 4): If they've got no cash, why don't they order some more 767s - they'll be cheap?
Good question, they can easily order some B-767-300ERs and/or B-767-400ERs.
Quoting EI321 (Reply 6): Are they having superficial talks with Airbus also or will this one go straight to B?
Actually, I think they are looking for the best interest rates they can get. The type aircraft may be secondary. If that is true, Boeing may have a slight edge over Airbus, as they can get a slightly better deal.
Boeing officials have since complained that because the mid-range jets were not part of the original planned order, they were never able to make a case for their own mid-range 767 model.
On Monday, Transport Minister Yitzhak Mordechai abruptly froze deliberations by El Al's board over the Airbus deal, saying he needed time to examine it himself. Officials inside and outside El Al, however, have until now denied feeling any US pressure to alter the deal.
El Al spokesman Nachman Klieman told Reuters that the airline has not decided which company would win the contract to supply the engines for the 777s, but that "Rolls-Royce is the frontrunner."
Political orders happen (just like SU), it would be nice if they didn't but I guess we have to accept it. Its not like EL Al really makes a difference in the grand scheme of things. They aren't a LH, EK, or SQ. They are talking about buying 2 planes, I doubt Airbus will lose sleep over this.
Lemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7565 times:
Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 16): Yes, I forgot that they went private recently. However, no one will ever convince me otherwise that they would not be under scrutiny and pressured to buy Boeing.
Then why bother talking about it? You're convinced you already know the answer, even if you got smacked upside the head by evidence to the otherwise. Might as well give up thinking about it all together, it'd be wasted effort.
There are 10 kinds of people in the world; those who understand binary, and those that don't.
LXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2133 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7414 times:
Airbus still is "desperate" to enter the israeli market properly and LY really had a good deal for 6-10 A330's last year including financing aid simlilar to those received in the past by Boeing nevertheless the order was not made. It looks like LY does everything but even consider getting Airbuses so I gues in the near and probably long term no airbuses will fly for them which is really a shame. At least Israir made a wise choice and maybw one or 2 A330/340's will still be ordered by them as well.
JFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 813 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7364 times:
EL AL will go Boeing... Israel does not recieve money from Washington for there day to day activites.
Israir will find out sooner than later that going Airbus was wrong. I would like to see the day when they ask the government permission to fly to a city they currently do not fly to. They will get denied immeiditely
Israel and Boeing conduct alot of business together in regards to military hardware. That is the reason why Israel and Boeing are in bed together. Not because of Israel recieving aid from Washington.
Aid From United States
Israel recieves 2 billion a year
Egypt recieves 1.7 billion a year
Lebanon recieves 1.3 billion a year
and the list goes on.
There is no indication of Egypt and Lebanon being obligated to purchasing Boeing.
Boeing and Israel need each other for work. Israeli Aircraft Industries are partners with Boeing Military Division.
In regards to 787 EL AL will definitly purchase these planes. It is just a matter of finances and how long Boeing is willing to give them to pay it off.
LXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2133 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7310 times:
Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 21): israir will find out sooner than later that going Airbus was wrong. I would like to see the day when they ask the government permission to fly to a city they currently do not fly to. They will get denied immeiditely
I am sure Israr will not resecive less help from the governmnet just because they purchased Airbus. This is pure rubish!!! Israir made a very good choice, the Boeing 737's are inferior to Airbus regarding comfort speed etc. I am not expecting EL AL to go all Airbus but at least the A330 / A350 would've been a good plane for them.
When does LY plan to have the new flat seats installed in all 744's and 772's and upgraded their IFE with AVOD? Or will this only be available in the 2 new 772's that will be delivwered this year. Also incase Flat seas will be introduced it wold get time for a new first Class any plans fo that?
DeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 792 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7222 times:
Quoting Lemurs (Reply 17): Then why bother talking about it? You're convinced you already know the answer, even if you got smacked upside the head by evidence to the otherwise. Might as well give up thinking about it all together, it'd be wasted effort.
Say what you want, they will order Boeing. You can smack yourself upside the head when you see a 787 in LY color scheme.
Quoting RJpieces (Reply 11): US aid to Israel is for military purchases, not commercial aircraft.
Right and Right buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut the US ambassador in Tel Aviv does reccomend Boeing in talk with El Al and their management to keep up relations in a perfect state with the US if you know what i mean
Same thing with the US Ambassador of Jeddah and Riyadh reccomending Boeing for SV which in the end worked out for them.. with a massive order of MD-90, 772 and 744 in the late 90's!
This happens all over the world and always will.. just matters where you have your hands in
EI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7087 times:
Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 24): Same thing with the US Ambassador of Jeddah and Riyadh reccomending Boeing for SV which in the end worked out for them.. with a massive order of MD-90, 772 and 744 in the late 90's!
SV had originally intended to split that order.
: El Al has a couple of new 777s coming this summer, perhaps they will announce something when they deliver...