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DL CEO Visits SLC Celebrates DL, Europe In Future  
User currently offlineSlcDeltaRUmd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3414 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5666 times:

Yesterday was a great day," Grinstein said Tuesday. "At 10:20 in the morning, it was almost as a switch had gone off and Delta emerged from Chapter 11, and out of bankruptcy, and free at last."
As Grinstein spoke, the employees who had gathered inside Delta's cavernous hangar at Salt Lake City International Airport for a two-hour party cheered and clapped. Outside, a Boeing 757 airliner painted with Delta's new red, blue and white colors gleamed in the sunlight.
"And then we unveiled the new logo. It was an exciting moment for all of us because it symbolized passage and the fact that we had moved so far," an emotional Grinstein said.


Later, Grinstein said the Salt Lake hub is poised to grow further. A nonstop route to Europe is probably two years away. Holding Delta back from launching the first trans-Atlantic route from Salt Lake are a lack of aircraft and landing rights in London or Paris, he said.
"Passenger demand is there. It's doing very well," Grinstein told The Salt Lake Tribune

http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_5797367


Lets all hope for many good years for DL at Salt Lake City

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32700 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5646 times:

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Thread starter):
Holding Delta back from launching the first trans-Atlantic route from Salt Lake are a lack of aircraft and landing rights in London or Paris, he said.
"Passenger demand is there. It's doing very well," Grinstein told The Salt Lake Tribune

They lack so many planes that they can start niche routes like Atlanta-Vienna and New York City-Pisa while ignoring such a "huge" market like Salt Lake City-Paris? Not really.



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5392 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
They lack so many planes that they can start niche routes like Atlanta-Vienna and New York City-Pisa while ignoring such a "huge" market like Salt Lake City-Paris? Not really.

Would you expect him to say anything different? "Yeah, well, we have the planes for an SLC-Europe, but we just think O&D and yields for such a flight would svck." Certainly not the things the folks in SLC would want to hear.


User currently offlineLGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5384 times:

They have "lack of landing rights" at CDG?

User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9320 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5256 times:

good news for SLC and DL

i wonder where SLCUT2777 is at?????



yep.
User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5230 times:

They must start a daily SLC-CDG I am sure it would do very well with connection from Air France.

User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4049 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5170 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 2):
Would you expect him to say anything different? "Yeah, well, we have the planes for an SLC-Europe, but we just think O&D and yields for such a flight would suck." Certainly not the things the folks in SLC would want to hear.

Interesting that Grinstein added one more year to 2009, when many here have been lead to believe they might try it next year. Perhaps Grinstein is just eluding to the fact that a LGW/LHR flight would have 2-3 times the O&D demand that a CDG flight would have to/form SLC, and by 2009 DL just might have a few more new 772LR's to free up a 763ER to give this venture (how ever ill advised some think it is or will be) a try, no matter how po-dunk a market SLC is!  biggrin 

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 4):
good news for SLC and DL

i wonder where SLCUT2777 is at?????

I'm here!  biggrin 

Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 5):
They must start a daily SLC-CDG I am sure it would do very well with connection from Air France.

Despite the SkyTeam/AF connection at CDG, this one would more than likely fall flat on its face, or need subsidizing for a number of years to really work.



DELTA Air Lines; The Only Way To Fly from Salt Lake City; Let the Western Heritage always be with Delta!
User currently offlineB4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2637 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5138 times:

I think SLC-CDG will be attempted, but agree with others that it will not work. Further US-FR open skies takes care of any landing rights, and there are available aircraft should they really want to operate the route.

Further, once new aircraft arrive into DL's fleet, I'd actually think SLC may be poised for an Asia flight more soon than a Europe flight. Not sure where in Asia - but not NRT - maybe ICN/HKG/SIN.... A cautious selection due to the LAX growth.



B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4049 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5107 times:

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 7):
Further, once new aircraft arrive into DL's fleet, I'd actually think SLC may be poised for an Asia flight

That will NEVER happen from a market like SLC without a stop in LAX first on the way. While SLC might have a good feed, they lack the overall O&D to support any destination to Asia. On the whole, I think you'll see DL support international service in and out of SLC to Canada, Mexico. In the future at least seasonally to the Caribbean is a real possibility.



DELTA Air Lines; The Only Way To Fly from Salt Lake City; Let the Western Heritage always be with Delta!
User currently offlineB4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2637 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5077 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 8):
That will NEVER happen from a market like SLC without a stop in LAX first on the way.

That is the summary of a conversation I had with a 15+ year flight attendant based in JFK. I think that way of SLC-Europe, but SLC-Asia may work if there is no competition and DL does the feed right, IMHO. Or does ATL-SLC-AsiaSpot (Like ATL-JFK-BOM - but JFK has good enough O&D for JFK-BOM).



B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4049 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5047 times:

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 9):
That is the summary of a conversation I had with a 15+ year flight attendant based in JFK. I think that way of SLC-Europe, but SLC-Asia may work if there is no competition and DL does the feed right, IMHO. Or does ATL-SLC-AsiaSpot (Like ATL-JFK-BOM - but JFK has good enough O&D for JFK-BOM).

The furthest point west of SLC longitude wise DL will serve from SLC directly will be HNL @158 degrees (ANC is 150 degrees).



DELTA Air Lines; The Only Way To Fly from Salt Lake City; Let the Western Heritage always be with Delta!
User currently offlineFlightShadow From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 963 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5040 times:

It was a fun little party - I enjoyed listening to the speakers (Jerry Grinstein, Rocky Anderson, some DL VPs) and festivities were cool (flyby, water cannon, food, touring the plane). I came away from the speeches disliking US Airways, and liking Rocky Anderson - I don't know what that's all about.

DL757MD was also there - he got much better pictures and can provide much better insight (he also got me in, for which I am extremely grateful  Smile ).

I'll post some pictures though, in case anyone's interested. I have to say though, DL's new livery looks MUCH better up close and in person than in a photograph.

The new logo!


Tail close-up


The Water Cannon Salute (horribly backlit, sorry)


Delta Executives de-planing


Jerry Grinstein giving a speech


Rocky giving a speech


Message to Jerry Grinstein



"When the tide goes out, you can tell who was skinnydipping."
User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5654 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5016 times:

WOW, talk about a wolf in the midst of the sheep...looking atteh crowd pics, I see several of my friends from HP/US in there!


Next trip: SLC-DEN-SLC-PHX-JFK-LAX-SLC with my wife and oldest daughter. F9 to and from DEN, US to JFK, AA 321 and CR7
User currently offlineBlackKnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4997 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 8):
That will NEVER happen from a market like SLC without a stop in LAX first on the way

It will happen someday. Never is too finite. My bet is within 10 years. 10 years must be forever for you, wait until you are older 10 years and the term never will be nothing to you.



BK
User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4049 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4997 times:

Quoting FlightShadow (Reply 11):
I came away from the speeches disliking US Airways, and liking Rocky Anderson - I don't know what that's all about.

Rocky Anderson might be one of the most liberal mayors in America, in a region that is dominated by ultra-conservatives, but he knows good business plans when he sees it. As for US, thankfully that stupid idea is now long in the tank, and I'm sure Lee Moak and others had fun taking shots at them still, and getting everyone all riled up (too bad Vega & other US cheerleaders weren't there to take a turn on the dunking stand!  laughing  ). I really wish I could have pried myself away from my desk to go out and see it.



DELTA Air Lines; The Only Way To Fly from Salt Lake City; Let the Western Heritage always be with Delta!
User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4049 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4982 times:

Quoting BlackKnight (Reply 13):
It will happen someday. Never is too finite. My bet is within 10 years. 10 years must be forever for you, wait until you are older 10 years and the term never will be nothing to you.

Do you really see SLC passing DEN or PHX in population? I didn't think so. Passing SFO or SEA would be a pre-requisite to gaining such a flight from SLC.



DELTA Air Lines; The Only Way To Fly from Salt Lake City; Let the Western Heritage always be with Delta!
User currently offlinePizzaandplanes From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4975 times:

That seems ridiculous that DL can't even get an aircraft to do a seasonal trans-atlantic flight. SLC is a little awkward with travelers leaving to the rest of the world in the summer and then a huge skiing season in the winter.

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8897 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4924 times:

Quoting Pizzaandplanes (Reply 16):
That seems ridiculous that DL can't even get an aircraft to do a seasonal trans-atlantic flight. SLC is a little awkward with travelers leaving to the rest of the world in the summer and then a huge skiing season in the winter.

Leisure fares do not equate to the strong yields...I think part of the problem is not enough year-round business travel up front to support this route.


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4049 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4920 times:

Quoting Pizzaandplanes (Reply 16):
That seems ridiculous that DL can't even get an aircraft to do a seasonal trans-atlantic flight. SLC is a little awkward with travelers leaving to the rest of the world in the summer and then a huge skiing season in the winter.

How big a ski market is SLC and Utah compared with Colorado and DEN? Perhaps one-quarter of it being generous.



DELTA Air Lines; The Only Way To Fly from Salt Lake City; Let the Western Heritage always be with Delta!
User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4884 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 15):
Do you really see SLC passing DEN or PHX in population? I didn't think so. Passing SFO or SEA would be a pre-requisite to gaining such a flight from SLC.

Since the SF Bay Area Metro Pop is over 7M (including SJC/OAK), don't think that SLC will ever surpass that...maybe SFO should get a "token" flight....funny how SQ/UA always went full to HKG, now there's CX in the market. I suppose the Bay Area doesn't have a large enough Asian population to support more US carriers?


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5654 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4861 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 18):
How big a ski market is SLC and Utah compared with Colorado and DEN? Perhaps one-quarter of it being generous.

I'd say about half. Theres sucha HUGE ski/snowboard industry here its insane. Granted not on the scale of CO, but hey, at least the majority of resorts are less than an hour away...



Next trip: SLC-DEN-SLC-PHX-JFK-LAX-SLC with my wife and oldest daughter. F9 to and from DEN, US to JFK, AA 321 and CR7
User currently offlineBlackKnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4770 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 15):
Do you really see SLC passing DEN or PHX in population? I didn't think so. Passing SFO or SEA would be a pre-requisite to gaining such a flight from SLC.

No I do not, but I do see more creative point to point, point to hub, and hub to hub flying. The world of open skies is just starting. By the way why all the negativity? Millions can tell you what won't happen be unique and focus on the possibilities. SLC is Deltas western hub right or wrong? If it is their hub then why not utilize transfer passenger traffic in the world of the 787, and A350 to fly overseas? They could funnel passengers from all western markets with the benefit of on time departures and arrivals in SLC and the smaller plane size to gain passenger preference. There are many airports that use this system. The hub already exists reguardless of O&D traffic. Delta needs to focus on the possibilities and ways to make it better while not doing the me too routes everyone else is. If you could get a less expensive flight from LAX or SFO to Asia via SLC would you refuse? Many of us from the SLC area fly to PHX to go to the north east USA or LAX to fly to South America. Why would those along the coast not do the same if the price was right? The cost of operation and employes are less at SLC than any airport on the coast. This would be reflected in the cost of tickets if needed to gain acceptance. It is possible thus it should be considered. I am really looking for facts why it will not work versus just opinions. It is a research project I have been assigned to do and yes I am getting paid for it. If you have data send it my way.



BK
User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4595 times:

Quoting BlackKnight (Reply 21):
If it is their hub then why not utilize transfer passenger traffic in the world of the 787, and A350 to fly overseas? They could funnel passengers from all western markets with the benefit of on time departures and arrivals in SLC and the smaller plane size to gain passenger preference.

Because all major (LAX, SFO, SEA) and semi-major (PHX, LAS, PDX) markets that would feed through SLC already have at least one daily flight to a European hub. Thus, the flight from SLC wont' do them any good. They'll still have the same number of stops regardless of where they go. And for the larger western cities without direct flights to Europe (e.g. SAN and SMF) it's easier to drive to another airport that has them (LAX or SFO, respectively), or connect through ATL/JFK. So a direct flight from SLC isn't really better for anyone except SLC-based O&D passengers. And how many people in SLC are flying to LON or CDG? Not enough to fill a plane. With respect to other western cities (like GEG, FAT, etc.) that only have flights to SLC, in most cases they have flights to other hubs (DEN, SEA, SFO, etc.) that have nonstops to Europe. So they really aren't any better off.

Until SLC can profitably provide O&D feed to fill 75% of the plane or so, they'll never be able to support nonstops to Europe. With only a shrinking number of 763s and 764s in DL's fleet, niche routes to Europe, South America, and Africa (and maybe Asia) have a lot more profit potential.

Quoting BlackKnight (Reply 21):
Why would those along the coast not do the same if the price was right?

But if the price is right enough to convince people in LAX, SFO, SEA, PHX, PDX, or LAS to skip the nonstops, then it's probably two low for DL to make any money.


User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4574 times:

How many people in SFO/SJC/OAK/SEA/PDX are going to fly to SLC to go to HNL/OGG just because the fare is cheaper (which it isn't), unless they're on FF free tickets? It adds at least 5 hours to the flight time including the connecting time....same analogy for Asia. It's bad enough to transfer in LAX for these destinations.

User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4562 times:

Quoting CV880 (Reply 23):
How many people in SFO/SJC/OAK/SEA/PDX are going to fly to SLC to go to HNL/OGG just because the fare is cheaper (which it isn't), unless they're on FF free tickets? It adds at least 5 hours to the flight time including the connecting time....same analogy for Asia. It's bad enough to transfer in LAX for these destinations.

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And if the fare is that much cheaper, DL would obviously be doing something wrong.


25 Flyorski : And the snow is really great! SLC is famous internationally (at least since the 2002 Olympics) for having GREAT SNOW, and the proximity of the resort
26 Boeing7E7 : Its called high and hot + aircraft range. 777-200ER/LR and 787 can do it. 767's and 757's can't.
27 RwSEA : I would challenge that theory, given that DL flies JNB-DKR on a daily basis using the 763. JNB is hotter and higher than SLC, and the flight to DKR i
28 MAH4546 : If a 767 can't do Salt Lake City-Europe, then Salt Lake City-Europe isn't happening. Delta isn't wasting a 772 on such a route. That being said, a 76
29 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : 752s can make any route to Hawaii from SLC, but not Europe for DL. They can only be used from NYC-JFK or BOS: DL 763ERs can easily do SLC-Europe, but
30 Evan767 : Uhmm.. that's why there are direct flights SFO-HNL, and why there are flights from SJC-LAX, OAK-LAX, SEA-LAX, and PDX-LAX, to connect to LAX-HNL/OGG.
31 777captain : Delta will begin flying SLC-Europe when Boeing makes a 100 seat aircraft that has a range of 6,000nm and uses peanuts for fuel. And even then, it will
32 ConcordeBoy : ....because the same plane could be used more profitably from more powerful and better positioned hubs, regardless of any advance in efficiency.
33 Post contains images SlcDeltaRUmd11 : You can say what you want about almost anything to me, but when people are wrong on utah skiing it really burns my biscuits   I know this is off topi
34 WesternA318 : Amen to that! Last time I was in Greece I found out my family there had owned a mountain that gets A LOT of snow during the winter and have started p
35 Boeing7E7 : JNB has a 14,000' runway. SLC's longest is only 12,000. On a hot day, DL's 767-3ER needs about 13,000'. The 788 woudl need about 11,000 on a hot day.
36 SLCUT2777 : Which is why the SLC Department of Airports does have plans to extend runway 16L-34R to at least 14,500 feet in the near term. Look for a tunnel stru
37 OOer : Once they get some 787 in, they should look into SCL-FCO. Hell, they make everywhere else to FCO work!!!!! Also, they will have the help of the AZ cod
38 Airbazar : What does one thing have to do with the other? Open skies and landing slots oare 2 completely different issues. The question is, how much smaller is
39 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : While lift tickets in Utah are substantially less than what they go for in Colorado, the liquor control laws in Utah are amongst the strictest in the
40 Flyorski : Actually, it's usually cheaper in UT than Colorado. In Alta for example a Day pass is $52 and multiple days are $50 (that means if you buy a day pass
41 Boeing7E7 : Don't need the extension with the 787-8 with the high thrust option. It's sub 12k on a hot day.
42 SLCUT2777 : Keep in mind that the 787 is still at least 3-5 years away for DL for the first wave, but none the less SLC does need longer runways irregardless. 12
43 BlackKnight : The updated master plan says they reviewed runways lengths up to 15,600 and settled on 15,100 feet to accomodate up to the 747-400 fully loaded on a
44 Post contains links BlackKnight : Below is a link to the update. Some real good reading and information for an airport that should not dream big according to most here. I for one think
45 OOer : Thats a pretty interesting report. Didn't realize the 777-200 was so limited out of SLC....looks like the A340 family even does better than the 777!!!
46 Blackknight : Hot and High plus 4 engines versus 2. In addition there are power lines as noted in the report to the North. Also the tower at Hill AFB 21 miles down
47 BlackKnight : Note the updated planning report says the following: 1.4 POTENTIAL FOR INTERNATIONAL OPERATIONS According to SLCDA, airlines such as Virgin Atlantic A
48 SLCUT2777 : I would further elude that BA might even look at SLC for service in the likely dog eat dog world of US/Europe open skies. Branson is a "step out of t
49 Post contains images Pdxcof9 : Great, more construction I need to avoid!!! lol Just saw about 10 bags going to HNL off the SFO flight here is SLC. And my opinion with all this is I
50 SLCUT2777 : The 772ER, the 772LR if I'm not mistaken is almost as agile a performer as any of the P&W and RR powered 752s. But I doubt we'll see a 772LR at SLC f
51 BlackKnight : Wonder how tough of a sell the 4th runway to the West will be?
52 Boeing7E7 : I agree. 21 miles out with an RNAV departure procedure eliminates this. They also do a bit of truth stretching (not uncommon with HNTB by the way, th
53 Goldorak : surely not. They can start any new flight they want to CDG
54 LHboyatDTW : What if AF files into SLC using the A332? Could it fly out of SLC without many restrictions? I'm confident range isn't an issue but can be restricted
55 SLCUT2777 : If they do a 4th runway on the west side, it will likely entail doubling up with 16R-34L similar to how ATL, LAS and others are done. I don't see tha
56 Pdxcof9 : I was just saying that because constuction is impossible to aviod right now. It's everywhere!!! Plus I hardly ever go up to 22nd north. Unless for so
57 BlackKnight : This is the point I am making. With open skies EU airlines are looking to enter the US. LAX, SFO, SEA, along with LAS, PHX have many airlines. An EU
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