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UA To Fly IAD-GIG And Restart LAX-HKG  
User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1455 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11950 times:

It's official now, UA to start daily IAD-GIG and restart LAX-HKG.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070503/aqth054.html?.v=8

Both had been rumored for quite some time.

Flight schedule:
Flight Origin Destination Departure Arrival Frequency
867 LAX HKG 12:00 p.m. 6:15 p.m. Daily
856 HKG LAX 12:20 p.m. 9:35 a.m. Daily

Flight schedule:
Flight Origin Destination Departure Arrival Frequency
873 IAD GIG 9:32 p.m. 9:20 a.m. Daily
874 GIG IAD 10:05 p.m. 6:23 a.m. Daily

Great to see UA adding service to South America


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User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11930 times:

Brilliant news! Especially the Rio route comes a little bit surprising for me.

But What is the 744 doing all the time in Hong Kong? The timing offers perfect connections to UA's other flights from Hong Kong to Ho Chin Minh and Singapore in both direction. So can we hope that there will be another tag-on for the LAX flight?


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11895 times:

Where are they getting the aircraft for this?

Nice to see IAD-GIG.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8541 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11876 times:
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I see from the press release that the IAD-GIG is 'seasonal" but it doesn't actually say how long it runs for - I assume just the Southern Hemisphere summer ?

Washington, D.C.-Rio de Janeiro

United's new seasonal, non-stop service between Washington, D.C., and Rio de Janeiro strengthens Washington Dulles as the carrier's international gateway on the East Coast and improves United's current service to Rio by making it nonstop from previous one-stop service.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24820 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11857 times:

The Hong Kong flight has been discussed here for last few days
Rumor: United To Restart LAX-HKG (by AS739X May 2 2007 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17335 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11828 times:

Quoting RDUDDJI (Thread starter):
It's official now, UA to start daily IAD-GIG and restart LAX-HKG.

I think LAX/HKG is a slam dunk, but I'm curious to see how IAD/GIG will do.



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User currently offlinePlaneGuy27 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11827 times:

My question is this. Does the 3rd daily UA flight to Brazil come from a dormant ORD-GRU flight or will UA be cutting the earlier 2nd seasonal flight from IAD-GRU and in fact still be 2 frequencies?

User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1455 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11828 times:

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 1):
But What is the 744 doing all the time in Hong Kong?

Good question, but with 4 other 744's per day transiting HKG, it most likely won't be the same airplane. It still arrives in time to do a SGN or SIN r/t and then go back to ORD SFO or LAX.

I think the real question is what are the planes going to do in S.A. It looks like they'll all sit for 12-15 hours...



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17335 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11814 times:

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 7):
I think the real question is what are the planes going to do in S.A. It looks like they'll all sit for 12-15 hours...

That's fairly standard; most longhaul routes between North America and the deep South America arrive in the morning, sit all day, and leave in the evening.



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User currently offlineTonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1014 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11791 times:

Will UA keep the GRU-GIG tag on?

User currently offlinePlaneGuy27 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11769 times:

I just checked the schedule and the 2nd IAD-GRU is gone.

User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1455 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11768 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 4):
The Hong Kong flight has been discussed here for last few days
Rumor: United To Restart LAX-HKG (by AS739X May 2 2007 in Civil Aviation)

Appreciated, but it ain't a rumor now! Plus, IAD-GIG was lumped in with it, which is much more surprising than LAX-HKG.

Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 9):
Will UA keep the GRU-GIG tag on?

Appears that has now been dropped.



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User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11750 times:

Quoting PlaneGuy27 (Reply 10):
I just checked the schedule and the 2nd IAD-GRU is gone.

What do you mean with "gone"? They cancelled the plans?


User currently offlineGemini573 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11690 times:

It's about time they restarted LAX-HKG. A friend of mine who works for Disney has been complaining for the longest time about having to connect in SFO to make the flight to HKG. Disney won't let him go on CX as it's too expensive for them.

As someone said earlier, this flight is a "slam dunk." I'm sure you'll see A LOT of Disney people on this flight.

Also, a smart move by UA as I think this is a pre emptive strike against DL, who's also considering HKG service (they did LAX-HKG in the past).

[Edited 2007-05-03 16:51:57]

User currently offline28L28L From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11640 times:

Does anyone know the period of time that UA served the LAX-HKG market in the past? Was it for very long?

User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11612 times:

Great news, not before time they brought the LAX - HKG back, mind you as its mentioned above, DL decision to possibly have a shot at the route might have had something to do with it, which means they are going to enter a tough market, when and if they do decide to go for it.

User currently offlinePlaneGuy27 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11564 times:

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 12):
What do you mean with "gone"? They cancelled the plans?

I mean they cancelled the second daily seasonal flight from Washington to Sao Paulo. Now the three UA allocated frequencies in the peak will be:

1 daily IAD-GRU
1 daily IAD-GIG
1 daily ORD-GRU


User currently offlineUalcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11490 times:

Would it be possible to tag BLR to the LAX-HKG flight? I know there have been rumours about UA opening up India (again) through BLR.

User currently offlineAirlineAddict From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11458 times:
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Quoting Ualcsr (Reply 17):
Would it be possible to tag BLR to the LAX-HKG flight? I know there have been rumours about UA opening up India (again) through BLR.

As stated in the other thread regarding the LAX to HKG flight schedules

Quoting AirlineAddict (Reply 65):
The schedule is ideal for a tag-on and overnight at another city.

The usual candidates are BKK and SIN.

More of a stretch: KUL, CGK, and MNL

Since Star Alliance partners already fly to BKK and SIN from LAX, maybe KUL, CGK, or MNL aren't way off...

Most interesting tag on: DEL - it would be really tight, but it could occur if turn times are around 2 hours and departure from DEL is early morning ~2 AM.

Sample tag-on to DEL (using CX flight times)

HKG DEL Depart 8:45 PM Arrive 11:55 PM
DEL HKG Depart 2:00 AM Arrive 10:00 AM

BLR is ~130 miles longer than the DEL flight, so it's entirely possible, unless the headwinds are much different to BLR than DEL.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7496 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11432 times:

Ive been waiting for this for a while now, and ITS ABOUT TIME!!!! I always hated stoping in NRT to get to HKG on UA. This will make things worlds easier!!! I think the flight will be successful too!!! CX has been filling their planes and making money rencently. With UA's LA client base, this should be a slam dunk for them!!!


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User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11380 times:

Interesting. We are booked in late Feb '08 on UA's one-stop IAD-GRU-GIG service. I suppose we will automatically be transferred to the new non-stop? Or is the non-stop in addition to the one-stop?

User currently offlineSkyCruiser From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11371 times:

btw, looking at fall 2007 flight schedules, it looks as though the extra 3x weekly SFO-HKG and ORD-HKG frequencies will be discontinued as a result of the restart of daily LAX-HKG. I guess this sort of answers the question: "Where are these planes coming from?" I was looking forward to having 27 weekly USA-HKG flights too  Sad

User currently offlinePlaneGuy27 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11240 times:

Quoting Ualcsr (Reply 17):
Would it be possible to tag BLR to the LAX-HKG flight? I know there have been rumours about UA opening up India (again) through BLR.

US Carriers do not have beyond rights from HKG to India. Even though in the US-India agreement its allowed, UA actually relinquished its India beyond rights in one of the recent US-HK agmts.


User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11200 times:

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 20):
I suppose we will automatically be transferred to the new non-stop?

Answered my own question: We were transferred to the new non-stop. That's definitely good news for us, as we were theoretically going to have do GIG-GRU (change planes)-ORD-LAX, and now it's just GIG-IAD-LAX....


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7496 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 11109 times:

Quoting SkyCruiser (Reply 21):
I was looking forward to having 27 weekly USA-HKG flights too

Oh well, 21 is good too!!! Most importantly, UA is adding another gateway to HKG with LAX. Im my mind this is the biggest piece of the puzzle missing from UA's LAX-Asia network. I dont think they will fly from LAX-China anytime soon, so this is probably the best us in LA can hope for!!! Either way at least they will have the main two main centers in Asia covered with HKG and NRT!!!



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25 Post contains images Mk777 : Wow and i thought IAD-DEL would be on UA's mind!!! I guess not
26 RwSEA : I think UA would have a very strong case if they applied for LAX-PEK or LAX-PVG with the next round of China frequencies. I don't think they'd be a s
27 Post contains images LipeGIG : Wow, all airlines are granting me with gifts in my 2 years A.Net anniversary (just for fun) Nice to see that UA finally decided to venture on IAD-GIG
28 Laxintl : Felipe hope you enjoy it. Make sure to have many of your friends fly this seasonal flight. Unless they get good results, I doubt it will come back fo
29 Jfk777 : Great for UA at LAX, What took them so long ? I wonder how much this is a move at preventing Delta from going LAX to HKG with a 777-200LR in the near
30 Gemini573 : Well, at least there will be two day flights to HKG now.. For UA passengers, this is another alternative to connect to other parts of SE Asia utilizin
31 N1120A : They served the route for nearly 2 decades after acquiring the Asia routes from PanAm.
32 Shane : Does anyone know what dates make up this season for the seasonal GIG flights?
33 LipeGIG : Considering that UA use to almost fill one plane to/from GIG on summer last year, i should say that a non stop will be able to increase this number.
34 MAH4546 : Rumour is AA is going to ask for LAX-PEK (which was originally the plan for the 2007 award). UA wouldn't get it over AA, simply because, despite UA's
35 LipeGIG : On Amadeus appears as flights IAD-GIG to begin November 2nd and GIG-IAD November 3rd. Up to march 1st the flight keep available on the system. Felipe
36 AADC10 : UA should do a tag on to Hanoi or somewhere since the parking fees at HKG are a killer. They have no chance because there has been a strange bias amon
37 Post contains images UA772IAD : DEL would come before BLR. Perhaps they will restart HKG-NRT. I know this route used be served by a 744. The key to remember with UA is that if they
38 PA006 : UA served HKG-SFO for over 2 decades, but not LAX. Pan Am never served HKG-LAX non-stop.
39 Post contains images AirCanada014 : Thats great to see our Star Alliance partner UA back in Brazil
40 MAH4546 : Huh? They never left.
41 ORD : Correct. Although United took over the former Pan Am Pacific routes in 1986, nonstop service on the LAX-HKG route did not start until April 4, 1993.
42 Gigneil : They never left Brazil... NS
43 UAL777UK : Isn't that the one for SYD?
44 C010T3 : That's great news about the IAD-GIG. I'm sure it will become a year-round service in no time. As sure as I would love to see two UA 763 parked next t
45 Jlk : Are you referring to 5th freedom from HKG to India? Can you explain what "relinquished its rights" mean. Why would an airline have to do it if there
46 AF086 : About time! I don't see this as a risk. I have no doubt this flight will succeed and that UA will push it all year long.[Edited 2007-05-04 00:59:06]
47 N1120A : Perhaps they will have HAECO do some work for them? Ok, 8 years
48 Rafabozzolla : I don't know about plane availability and bilateral restrictions, but if Delta can fly ATL-GIG and UA believes in a non-stop IAD-GIG, I can just imagi
49 WorldTraveler : not entirely true. it is well accepted that any airline anywhere in the world has the right to connect its passengers at a foreign gateway and carry
50 Douwd20 : The unfortunate thing is I would love to take United from IAD-GIG but just a quick check shows the fare as almost 40% more than American for some date
51 LipeGIG : Also business class fares... US$ 6,300 for a R/T New York-IAD-GIG is somewhat crazy as DL sells it for US$ 3,500 and JJ / JL (thru Sao Paulo) for US$
52 LAXdude1023 : I have a feeling if CO opens GIG, it would probabaly be from IAH, although I dont know that they will open GIG at all. Their current system seems ok.
53 AeroWesty : We did a thread on this a while back. The parking fees for a plane at even the most expensive airports aren't much more than $1000 per day, usually f
54 JoFMO : So if UA's tag on GRU-GIG ends in favor of the nonstop, how about extending one of the GRU flights to MVD? I know that UA just recently stopped flying
55 LipeGIG : I don't think so, the loads on ORD-GRU are really high, and without 1 flight from IAD the other should also face higher loads. Better to UA to use a
56 PU752 : We'll probably see DL before UA back in MVD.
57 WorldTraveler : and tags are expensive on int'l flights.... it's not just a question of the availability of the aircraft but also the extra costs to carry a fairly sm
58 IAD380 : According to a recent thread on this forum, UA obtained permission to fly to BSB. There was speculation that UA would start IAD-BSB flights a few time
59 Post contains links SFORunner : http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p73/200807.pdf Under the amendments to the U.S./Hong Kong ASA signed on October 19, 2002, U.S. carriers may increase t
60 Post contains links PlaneGuy27 : Thanks for finding that SFO Runner! I knew they had given that right up. Blind sector flights can of course take place where local traffic isn't allo
61 AirlineAddict : Have all 28 fifth-freedom frequencies from HKG been allocated?
62 Neo : UA should be looking into GRU-LAX nonstop instead. I serious think UA missed a good chance to launch nonstop LAX-Brazil flights when RG discontinued
63 Laxintl : The route has been looked at on and off for several years now. However, UA does not have the ability to operate this (or SFO-GRU) route due to equipm
64 C010T3 : That makes a lot sense! Thank you for the great explanation!
65 LipeGIG : The frequencies to BSB will be ex-bilateral. The IAD-GIG flight will be using the regular frequencies UA has. UA knows very well the demand from SFO
66 Neo : Thanks Lax Intl for the the explanation... I get it now. So the problem is lack of suitable aircraft on the route, given the current operational restr
67 Laxintl : Indeed. An its not just a UA restriction. For instance AA also does not have lie flat crew rest accommodations on its 763s either.
68 Neo : Honestly, you can rule out VS on this one. They seem to be totally focused on North America, Asia & Africa. I would bet BA to come first, if not 2nd
69 Hardiwv : Lipe: as far as I recall IAD-GIG will also ex-bilateral (seasonal). UA annualy operates a seasonal second daily IAD-GRU during the high season (Summe
70 LipeGIG : Hardi, good to see you back ! UA in fact holds 21 weekly frequencies Brazil-US. The fact is they only use 7 of them during the past 2 years on IATA w
71 Hardiwv : Hi, Lipe! Tks for the info, but I thought DL had "taken" 7 frequencies from UA in 2006 (see DOT decision), meaning that UA now holds only 14 weekly f
72 Laxintl : United holds 21 weekly US-Brazil frequencies.
73 LipeGIG : Hardi , at that time, UA keep 28 frequencies. DL requested 7 to fly ATL-GIG so both keep 21 (DL to 21 from 14 and UA with 21 from 28) Felipe[Edited 2
74 VC10er : i wish iad to gig started sooner. yesterday UA canceled the hop over from gru to gig and put both ord and iad passengers on a bus thru downtown sao pa
75 LipeGIG : What ? Does the plane face any delay ? Craziness as UA depart very late from São Paulo and doing this probably you arrive SDU closer to 2 or 3 PM. M
76 Hardiwv : Lipe, tks for refreshing my mind. No doubt that JJ-UA agreement will mean UA will transform the seasonal IAD-GIG experiment into a permanent operatio
77 VC10er : oi felipe. dont know why UA did that. they did a bad job explaining why. i guess without RG there was not other way, although im surprised that none o
78 Post contains images LipeGIG : The problem is that for example TAM face a shortage of seats on this leg, sometimes i can't fly from JFK to GIG because there is no available seats o
79 MAH4546 : That is far from certain, although it would be nice. I personally strongly doubt that will happen, because UA is short on widebody capacity, and the
80 Post contains links SFORunner : http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p78/281075.pdf The U.S. and Vietnam entered into a bilateral air services agreement ("ASA") in October 2003 under whic
81 Post contains links Hardiwv : The agreement with TAM means more pax influx to UA operations US-Brazil. In addition, UA stated that "Brazil is currently its best-performing market
82 MAH4546 : Again, I disagree. The flight is able to operate because UA has reduced widebody utilization during the winter. While the facts you point out are tru
83 C010T3 : Maybe they'll try to operate one leg as a daylight flight, so that just one aircraft is needed.
84 MAH4546 : No, because that would elimate most feed in one direction and premium traffic. It is one thing to do a daylight in a market like Miami or New York Ci
85 C010T3 : I know, but there is probably a way of rotating aircraft so that it isn't necessarily operated with one aircraft only.
86 Hardiwv : No doubt that the ultimate aim of UA is to operate IAD-GIG year-around. Witrh TAM agreement I am sure GIG nonstop operations will be a huge success f
87 C010T3 : I guess you both are right. Every possibility I had in mind would be difficult because of the crew. Perhaps GIG can prove to be more profitable than
88 LipeGIG : The UA director in Brazil announced today in a Breakfast in Rio (where they celebrate with the trade the new flight) that their focus is to run the fl
89 Hardiwv : Correct, UA's Director stated that the plan is to make IAD-GIG daily nonstop year-around staring in October 2008. UA's flight will open a new gateway
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