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Another AA Airbus Problem Today  
User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4520 posts, RR: 7
Posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 13129 times:

Just took a look out my window here in Miami Beach and saw an AA A300 headed out over the ocean on the normal departure route, but unusually low.

So I fired up my flight tracker software and see that it is AA 2110, origin MIA, destination MIA, (supposed to be JFK) so I presume something is wrong.

Seems like there was a thread here a few weeks ago about an AA A300 bound MBJ-JFK that had to stop in MIA, they thought they fixed the problem, the plane left MIA and had to immediately return to MIA.

Wonder if this is the same a/c?

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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 13070 times:

These planes are not exactly spring chickens. They are bound to go tech from time to time.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 13048 times:

Those planes are from 1988. They're plenty young.

NS


User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6217 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 12840 times:

You know everybody bashes the AA Aribii.....but how many 738's went tech today in MIA....I bet one or 2....jsut a matter of perspective.


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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4520 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 12654 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 3):
how many 738's went tech today in MIA....I bet one or 2....jsut a matter of perspective.

Yeah, the only reason I bring it up is that this plane was already airborne. And that a very similar thing happened with an AA A300 a few weeks ago here at MIA.

[Edited 2007-05-03 23:07:53]

User currently offlineMIACCS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 12400 times:

This was a simple air turnback. There are plenty of reasons why one could happen. There are so many A300 flights out of Miami that you should expect one of these every now and then.

User currently offlineSTXbohn From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11981 times:

My AA 738 went tech on Tuesday from MIA to STX. Then they proceeded to lolly gag around with catering on the spare aircraft such that the crew timed out and the flight was cancelled. Had to do the crappy San Juan two step on my two "favorite" aircraft - those wonderful A300s you speak of and then the hotter than hell, packed in like sardines ATRs and I still haven't gotten my golf clubs back. Prime example of the direct flight not paying off when you sign up to avoid said scenario through SJU. We were joking that double jeopardy wouldn't play into it, however when you start throwing A300s and Eagle out of SJU into the mix, your odds double or triple.

Guess I should be thankful that I got a couple of extra FF miles and home on the same day I left  Smile. Glad I wasn't trying to leave STX on Tuesday on the Miami flight!



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5700 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 11844 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 3):
You know everybody bashes the AA Aribii.....but how many 738's went tech today in MIA....I bet one or 2....jsut a matter of perspective.

I think im one of the few AA A300 supporters on here! I find the plane has been wonderful on the few flights I've done, and if you want to compare the AB6 going tech, why not skip the 738 which is an almost new airframe, and compare the AB6 with a plane in the AA fleet thats just about the same age bracket, the MD-80's, 767-200's or 757s.



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User currently offlineAerosol From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 558 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 11727 times:

Seems more like an AA problem as you don't read about people bitchin over the LH 300s every two weeks and their cycles are much shorter.

User currently offlineMacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 11676 times:

Quoting Aerosol (Reply 8):
Seems more like an AA problem as you don't read about people bitchin over the LH 300s every two weeks and their cycles are much shorter.

was thinking just the same. you dont hear much about 300s in this (and other) parts of the world...
are there any other operators beside AA in the US with 300s?



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5700 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 11671 times:

Quoting Macc (Reply 9):
are there any other operators beside AA in the US with 300s?

FedEx, UPS, DHL, nobody with pax A300's though..



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User currently offlineRuudOnline From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9854 times:

You presume that there is something wrong, but you dont know anything about it, maybe they had a drunk passenger or a bird strike or whatever.

You have to alter the title of this thread imo

Just another AA Airbus 300 flame.

Ruud


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8419 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9822 times:
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AA should part the A300, they are bad airplanes in a Boeing fleet. Nothing against A320, A330 or A340's but the A300 to be in passenger service today is past its prime. In Asia even Thai a big user of A300 has replaced them with A330's & 777's. I know, the A300 carries cargo to the islands, there are other ways to get frieght to Barbados and Jamaica.

User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9029 times:

I suspect some of those 767s are in more urgent need of renewel

User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7076 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8877 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 12):
AA should part the A300, they are bad airplanes in a Boeing fleet. Nothing against A320, A330 or A340's but the A300 to be in passenger service today is past its prime

I agree on earlier A300 models such as the A300B2 but not the A300-600. The -600 is from the middle and late 80s and early 90s so it is still a very modern aircraft. Same generation as most 757s and 767s flying around.
It is a second generation Airbus aircraft.



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8802 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 14):
I agree on earlier A300 models such as the A300B2 but not the A300-600. The -600 is from the middle and late 80s and early 90s so it is still a very modern aircraft. Same generation as most 757s and 767s flying around.
It is a second generation Airbus aircraft.

   The A300-600 is just as modern & advanced a the 767.

[Edited 2007-05-04 15:38:54]

User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4520 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8625 times:

Quoting RuudOnline (Reply 11):
You presume that there is something wrong, but you dont know anything about it, maybe they had a drunk passenger or a bird strike or whatever.

You have to alter the title of this thread imo

Just another AA Airbus 300 flame.

Actually, I like flying on the AA A300s. Those takeoffs seem as powerful as any on a 757 that I have experienced.

What I was hoping for when I posted this topic was that someone at AA could tell us what happened, and if it was the same a/c as the one that had the incident a few weeks ago.


User currently offlineMorrirvolando From Puerto Rico, joined Aug 2006, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8550 times:

I've flown AA 648 and 1639 3x in the past week with mechanicals causing at least 60 minute delays 4 times...quite annoying. Flame or not, there are obvious issues with the AB6

User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9149 posts, RR: 76
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8446 times:

Quoting Macc (Reply 9):
are there any other operators beside AA in the US with 300s?

About 157 active A300s in the USA, the biggest fleets are
FedEx 59
UPS 53
American Airlines 34

Fedex also has 68 A310s.

Some smaller operators have them as well, Air Macau also operate them N registered in Asia.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 12):
In Asia even Thai a big user of A300 has replaced them with A330's & 777's.

Still see the TG A300s about, the look like they are being worked hard, still with 20 in the fleet AFAIK.



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User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8418 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 12):
AA should part the A300, they are bad airplanes

That's false and totally untrue.

Typical example from a Boeing fanatic. The A-300's serve pretty well and they're the most suitable aircraft for some AA's destinations.

AA maybe will ask Boeing the 787-3 in a mid-term and then you will be happy for seeing an all-Boeing fleet in AA. But right now the A300 is a very accurate airliner for AA. Period.



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User currently offlineArniePie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8177 times:

I wonder in what way the A300 contributed in AA not having to go into chapter 11 while many of its competitors had to?
They seem to earn big time in the Caribbean and therefore compensating a lot of loss making routes when things where bad in the US airline industry just after 9/11



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User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7172 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 12):
AA should part the A300, they are bad airplanes

"That's false and totally untrue."

I think he finished with "in an all boeing fleet." He never said the A300 sucked as an aircraft.

"I wonder in what way the A300 contributed in AA not having to go into chapter 11 while many of its competitors had to?"

I don't know. That may have definitely contributed, but then look at CO. They don't operate the A300, and AFAIK they haven't gone through Ch.11 since 9/11. Maybe its the airlines' business models??



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User currently offlineBaw2198 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 637 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6862 times:

How is AA's maintainence program? Did they cut the more experienced guys? Did they contract out like NW did?

Reason why I ask, is that FDX runs in and out of ROC multiple times a day without a problem. During the 17 months I've been at ROC, AFAIK there have only been about 5 A306's that have had problems where they had to be fixed here or ferried. So using FDX as the model for maintainence, is it possible that AA may be skimping or not just paying attention to detail as they used to?



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6835 times:

dont get me going on the problems I have had with AA's A300's, otherwise I will be here all night!!

 biting 


User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6624 times:

Quoting Baw2198 (Reply 22):
How is AA's maintainence program? Did they cut the more experienced guys? Did they contract out like NW did?

Reason why I ask, is that FDX runs in and out of ROC multiple times a day without a problem. During the 17 months I've been at ROC, AFAIK there have only been about 5 A306's that have had problems where they had to be fixed here or ferried. So using FDX as the model for maintainence, is it possible that AA may be skimping or not just paying attention to detail as they used to?

I doubt it. I don't know about their relatively small airbus fleet, but AAs maintenance procedures, especially on the massive MD-80 fleet is an industry standard, with many other carriers contracting to have them do their maintenance. Their operation in TUS and others around the country are about the most effective, fast, and efficient maintenance operations available today.



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25 Movingtin : Are you kidding? AA A/C utilization is at least 2 times more than Fedex, then on top of that,comparing an Airline with a cargo outfit is apple and or
26 Tom12 : Not really. Seems more like curiosity to why there was a problem, not just out to bring the A300 down. Even at that, it is one of the more poor perfo
27 BA787 : I can see that the thread starter was trying to ask a question and just speculating, therefore it is not his fault that this thread has turned into an
28 Art at ISP : So instead of arguing about Airbus vs. Boeing, ad nauseum, does anyone have any additional information as to the nature of the problem which forced th
29 LMP737 : Answer's in this order. Doing more with less but getting the job done, no but retirements are starting to increase however there's still plenty of ex
30 LMP737 : Most likely a case of making a mountain out of a mole hill.
31 NASCARAirforce : Didn't an AA A300 go tech a couple months back flying from JFK- MIA and have to make an emergency landing at DAB?
32 BAC111 : Not familiar with the phrase "go tech". Fill me in?
33 N62NA : Broken. I'm surprised after all the times this topic has been viewed that there hasn't been one AA person who could have looked up what happened and
34 Dc10hound : Flight 2110 MIA-JFK on 3 May was operated with aircraft 084. On takeoff roll, the Captains PFD airspeed indication was 70 knots behind the FO PFD and
35 Art at ISP : Thank you DC10Hound!
36 DeltaL1011man : i dont know to much about there 762ERs but there 763ERs are not to old (and i dont think any 762ERs go over the Atlantic anymore)
37 QQflyboy : I was meaning to comment on the past thread about the MBJ-JFK flight that diverted, twice, to MIA. I flew with three of the flight attendants on that
38 N62NA : Thanks DC10Hound for providing the information. Very much appreciated!
39 Post contains images Lightsaber : Only compared to a NW DC-9. Ok, seriously, aircraft are designed for 25 to 30 year economic lives. Yes, some go longer... But that's what most go for
40 AirSpare : Very true, I flew MIA-GIG, the 767 went tech and arrived 4 hours late via GRU, the return, also went tech. We waited for a flight from GOL that might
41 KC135TopBoom : That may be true, but AA operates 4X the number of B-737-800s as they do the A-300-600Rs. The B-737s also fly more hours and flights compared to the
42 Stylo777 : sometimes these aircrafts doing 7-8 flights per day between FRA and TXL/MUC/HAM/LHR
43 VC10DC10 : And how could we forget Eastern, which bought something like 34 A300s and was the type's first big supporter outside Europe and Asia?
44 Flyorski : FALSE! Do you think that LH flies there aircraft past the prime? AA's problem is that they bounce these planes all around the Caribbean.
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