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Feel The Force: Irish Aviation Thread 22/07  
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 13245 posts, RR: 34
Posted (9 years 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8168 times:

Good morning folks and happy Star Wars day (May the 4th be with you  Wink)

The story so far: Obi Wan Ahern is running for cover, since the evil rebellion, led by Darth Kenny and the intergalactic Rabbit, has spun a rumour across all corners of the galaxy that Obi Wan has hidden 30,000 galactic credits in the underfloor compartment of the Millenium Falcon, given to him by one of the bounty hunters.

Meanwhile, back on planet Earth ...

We should be hearing about the new EI order in the near future, so I thought we might try a little sweepstake among ourselves: what will it be? Just like guessing a new baby, except without the weight (not many parents like being told their new baby will be 220t, not least the expectant mother!) and sex, so: what type? How many bought directly and how many leased?

My guess: 787-9s: six directly, eight from lessors.

Over to you folks ...

Run strong on this thread, the force will!

234 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2762 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8141 times:

Excellent intro Kaitak, as always. Reading your introductions always puts a smile on my face, thank you (and I need a bit of cheering up at the moment!).

I've never been a betting man (simply as I haven't one a cent on the lotto, the Spanish lottery, or the French lotteries, and more or less gave up a few years ago, yet I admit the enormous sums of Euromillions encourages me to get a ticked every now and then)... but my bet for the Aer Lingus order is:

Airbus A-350's with a good deal for an interim order of 330's. I further suspect EI will son exercise it's right on its 320 options and if they have any sense, I think a few 319's should be ordered.

Reagrding breakdown, that's just too much gambling for me, but what the heck.

As I think Airbus will be more "desperate" for the order I'll bet on
7 350's directly from Aribus and 7 on lease (I've just taken that off the top of my head, no real logical consideration involved).

So so far we have:

Airbus: Un point, one point.
Boeing: Un point, one point.

Long live Aer Lingus!
User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3535 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8137 times:

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 1):
Airbus A-350's with a good deal for an interim order of 330's. I further suspect EI will son exercise it's right on its 320 options and if they have any sense, I think a few 319's should be ordered.

I think EI should go with XWB for three reasons:

1. More room for growth than 787. EI already have up to 330 seats on the A330.
2. Proven and common with their current fleet A330 as interim aircraft.
3. Likely Airbus will give them better price as they are under pressure.

Agree with Toulouse on A319. Look how BMI improved their bottom line by ditching A321 and getting more A319.
Yes A321 has a lower CASM but ONLY if the extra seats are filled which is not the case for EI.

User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 4145 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8129 times:

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 1):
Airbus A-350's with a good deal for an interim order of 330's. I further suspect EI will son exercise it's right on its 320 options and if they have any sense, I think a few 319's should be ordered.

I am also thinking A350. Airbus really needs to get the orders rolling in for this one. If EI were to be a launch customer for the A350, the aircraft could be as discounted as half price. EK have been offered bargain basement A330's as intirim lift, so its possible EI could get a similar deal (on a smaller scale  Wink ). Im going to say 15 A350 (mix of -800(5) -900(10))And options on at least 10. While Airbus needs orders, it cant stomp around in front of Boeing with 14 orders!

A few intirim A330s will also be take up, perhaps A340 'classics' around the 2012 mark.

The A320 options could also be delivered as part of this order. I would realy like to see a mix of A321s and A319s. Trunk routes like LHR, CDG, AMS and FRA could all make use of the A321, and offer EI lower costs as well. Where as routes like MAN, BHX, GLA, EDI (JER, TLS in winter) could all use the A319 better than the A320. Id like to see 4 A321s and 6 A319s. This offeres a similar nuber of seats as 10 A320s would do. Just packaged differently.

There was also a comment about "Cork North" (or Shannon as some people might say), in the last thread,

I think the catchment area for SNN would be mainly Galway, Limerick and Clare. Also a lot of North Kerry. I think both can sustain year round service. If an ORK-NYC/BOS route were launched, the biggest looser would be the EI service to LHR and AMS. I dont se places like IAD, ORD in either airports future, however.


User currently offlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8129 times:

Although I would hope it will be the 787, I am still betting on it being the A350 with a sweetener for interim A330's. Nothing wrong with some new 330's until 2014. its still a great aircraft.

If its 787s though perhaps 10 789's with 4 788's to explore those emerging markets or indeed provide extra frequencies on less dense markets.

User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2762 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8127 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 2):

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 3):

So given Danny and Brian's voting, can we say the voting currently stands as follows?:

Airbus: Three points, trois points.
Boeing: One point, one point.

Long live Aer Lingus!
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 30014 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8124 times:

Hi Kaitak cool intro. You should have been on Prime Time program last night!!! There was a special program about how young Irish voters feel detatched from Irish politics and sadly alot of students wont be able to vote due to the Thursday ballot which means thousands will still be at Uni. . FF were accused of ''silencing'' the young voters and I have to agree. Bertie got a major grilling by press yesterday for the 30,000 (Galactic credits issue ) lol... Funny enough SF came out the best last night . Also the government only gave people 2 days to get their postal vote sorted and that included getting the Gards to sign it !!! Even more suspect!!!

No debates on the aviation industry or tourism!! I dont think there will be any to be honest, unless the Greens kick up on carbon stuff again .

Oh well its another sunny warm day here in Ireland. Enjoy it while it lasts , its due to break just in time for our May Bank Holiday  Angry

I hope EI goes for the A350 as it will keep the fleet all Airbus which has suited them well so far rather than having bits of this and bits of that. Also we have our resident photographer TLS to take the first pics in a few years time  Big grin

User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1429 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8105 times:

Mrng all

Great intro as usual Kaitak, although it is slightly depressing that our current, and possible future leader is fighting more suspicious money deals while asking the voters to ignore his 'Private Life' and re-elect him. Politics is for another thread, but it does leave a slightly bitter taste in the mouth.

On the order front, hoping that we don't have too long to wait on this one now, but having thought long and hard about this one, I'm going for a Boeing deal, much and all as I know it's Airbus's order to loose. I just feel that the A350XWB isn't a firm design with tested knowledge, and while 2013 entry-into-service gives them time to sort things out, I feel there is a strong likelihood that Airbus will encounter issues with the design/manufacture of the aircraft, while Boeing will have 5yrs production under their belt at that stage.

I'm going for 10 B787 ordered directly from Boeing, with another 4 or 5 coming from a lessor, who will provide up to 5 extra A330's as cover until the B787's arrive.


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User currently offlineEIDUZ From Ireland, joined Apr 2007, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8098 times:

I have to go with the A350. 6 Direct and 8 leased.

I also think that they will make an announcment for the A320 options in line with the introduction of the new base in continental Europe.

Aer Lingus - National Pride.
User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1429 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8089 times:

On a different note, the EU Commission is saying July 4th is the date for their announcement on the proposed FR/EI take-over review. Details below, but let's hope with EI's ties to the US, we can read something into the date significance!!!

European Union regulators extended
their antitrust review of Ryanair Holdings Plc's proposed
purchase of Aer Lingus Plc after Ryanair offered ways to
overcome potential competition obstacles.
The European Commission, the 27-nation EU's regulator in
Brussels, didn't provide details of Ryanair's commitments. The
commission will rule on the transaction by July 4.
Ryanair announced the takeover bid in October to combine
the two Dublin-based airlines. While the offer has since lapsed,
Ryanair Chief Executive Officer Michael O'Leary has said he
plans to make another bid if EU approval is secured.

Aircraft I've flown: A300/A310/A320/A321/A330/A340/B727/B732/B733/B734/B735/B738/B741/B742/B744/DC10/MD80/IL62/Bae146/AR
User currently offlineMccormk From Ireland, joined Jun 2004, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8089 times:

My guess will be a 15 plus 5 options. With a sale and lease back on delivery for 7 of them. Also with a 320 and 330 on delivery on the 15th. My guess is that will be the day of the announcement.

User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2762 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8064 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 6):
Also we have our resident photographer TLS to take the first pics in a few years time

Ha, so I'm now the resident a.net Irish thread photographer in TLS am I?

So for our sweepstake, I take it we're now at:

Airbus: 6 votes
Boeing: 3 votes

I hope Aer Lingus is listening to us!

On another note and back to GC we discussed yesterday, they have actually for once been efficient: I e-mailed them my missing flights yesterday evening, and just got an email apologising for the flights not being credited and that they had now credited them to my account. No me not having much faith in GC, I immediately logged onto my GC account, and hey presto, the missing points had been credited... Bravo GC! (on that particular front anyway)

Long live Aer Lingus!
User currently offlineEINA330 From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8057 times:

Hey All,
Great intro Kaitak,but you forgot to mention Cowen the Hut!
I think they will go with Airbus.Familiar product,existing relationship and above all the simple fact that they could possibly get a great deal,both on the 350 and on interim 330s.I also believe the 319 would make perfect sense for Aer Lingus to serve the thinner routes and emerging markets.
As for numbers,my guess is 14 also,but not sure of breakdown between buying and leasing.
Airbus:7 points,Sept points
Boeing:2 points,deux points.

User currently offlineABC9 From Ireland, joined May 2006, 210 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8015 times:

Quoting EINA330 (Reply 12):
think they will go with Airbus.Familiar product,existing relationship and above all the simple fact that they could possibly get a great deal,both on the 350 and on interim 330s.I also believe the 319 would make perfect sense for Aer Lingus to serve the thinner routes and emerging markets.
As for numbers,my guess is 14 also,but not sure of breakdown between buying and leasing.

Excellent summary of my thoughts EINA330 - make that 8-2 so

User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8001 times:

Do Norwegian air shuttle fly to dublin? Dublin is listed on their website.

User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7983 times:

My understanding is that the EI non_Irish base is now only between MAN and BHX.

Do any of you Irish a.netters have any further info on this or an idea of which is favoured right now? Or is it simply going to come down to which offers them the best deal ?

Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
User currently offlineEI737NG From Ireland, joined Feb 2007, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7983 times:

I would expect Airbus to win the order with 7 direct purchase and 7 leased with option for 4. However, I'd love to see it going to Boeing. I agree with Mccormk that a good possibility is 15th May for announcement. I feel Airbus will offer EI a deal too good to turn down, and with 787 selling so well Boeing are no that desparate for orders and fon't have to offer big discount rates.

User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 1165 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7981 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 14):
Do Norwegian air shuttle fly to dublin? Dublin is listed on their website

I think they have stopped flying to DUB but I do stand to be corrected.

On the L/H fleet I cannot look beyond Airbus.
*EI need something in the short term until the 350 or 787 arrive and realistically the 330 is the only aircraft that fits that bill and I cant see Boeing giving EI 330s for the next few years.
*The fleet commonality will surely come into play and with EI continuing to order 320s it looks like this is their short haul aircraft of choice for the short to medium term future. In terms of training surely its easier to train crew and maintenance on a 350 than a 787 if they already know the 320.
*Finally the money. Airbus need the order more than Boeing, bottom line. They will therefore IMHO give EI a better deal than Boeing will be willing to on an aircraft that is already selling faster than they probably expected!

Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7950 times:

I expect it to be 350's aswell, it's usually a 1:1 owned leased ratio, I'd imagine it will be the same or maybe one or two in favour of EI. My Reasoning is simple really, the 330 has been an almost ideal aircraft for EI (even with tech problems recently which seem to have been resolved now for the most part?), also EI has done alot for the 330 (and airbus) when they got their early models they proved that the twin could be successful across the pond. One rumor that used to float around the airport is that EI got a 330 for next to nothing from AirBus for exactly that reason.

I know it wouldn't really matter now but wasn't EI burned badly with a 767 order(or lease)? wasn't that the reason we have seen 767's in EI colors for a short while.

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User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2762 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7930 times:

I see Airbus is certainly winning our poll...
Now we just have to wait to see the results of the true decision makers!

Long live Aer Lingus!
User currently onlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6574 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7920 times:

I'm thinking and hoping for A350s, the 787 has always looked good for EI but with Airbus probably offering a great deal for A350s and even better deal for interim A330s plus fleet commonality, which is essential for a low fares airline so I expect an A350 order for -800s and -900s the -1000 is a bit big for EI, maybe one day though.

I wonder if Aer Lingus has shown any interest in the 787-10? It would allow lots of room for further growth. If EI order the 787 maybe a 787-10 order could be made further down the road but if it does happen it wont be anytime soon.

Quoting Cornish (Reply 15):
My understanding is that the EI non_Irish base is now only between MAN and BHX.

I'm hoping for BHX, lots of potential there and a nice battle could start with FR from EMA but EI need to get those fares down and the brand out there. Could we see an Aer Lingus TV ad campaign in the UK, I'm probably dreaming.

User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7909 times:

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 11):
On another note and back to GC we discussed yesterday, they have actually for once been efficient: I e-mailed them my missing flights yesterday evening, and just got an email apologising for the flights not being credited and that they had now credited them to my account. No me not having much faith in GC, I immediately logged onto my GC account, and hey presto, the missing points had been credited... Bravo GC! (on that particular front anyway)

Thats happened a few times to me, and I normally get a response within 24 hours!

User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1429 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7891 times:

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 18):
One rumor that used to float around the airport is that EI got a 330 for next to nothing from AirBus for exactly that reason.

EI got the original A330's for next to nothing because they were built for Air Inter who cancelled their order when the Air France take-over went through. One of reasons why EI opted for the aircraft was that they were available almost immediately as a few aircraft were actually sitting idle in TLS having been built for an order that no longer existed.
Thus they were cheap and readily available which EI wanted so they could get rid of the B741's asap.(remember it was only 1.5yrs from when EI said they needed the new aircraft to allow the Transatlantic routes to remain open to when the last B747 was retired, not bad - although they only had 3 aircraft.

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 18):
I know it wouldn't really matter now but wasn't EI burned badly with a 767 order(or lease)?

EI wasn't burned by Boeing or the lease company on these. They had ordered them for the DUB-LAX route which the Govt. said would be given permission to fly without the SNN stop-over. However the permission wasn't received, and the Gulf war 1 started resulting in a massive drop in pax loads on all flights, especially on the US routes, so EI got burned financially on operating a l/h aircraft on LHR routes, they managed to pass them on, but it was an expensive lesson.

[Edited 2007-05-04 17:41:25]

[Edited 2007-05-04 17:42:39]

Aircraft I've flown: A300/A310/A320/A321/A330/A340/B727/B732/B733/B734/B735/B738/B741/B742/B744/DC10/MD80/IL62/Bae146/AR
User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7864 times:

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 22):

Cheers for that, clears up a few things

John Hancock
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 30014 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7839 times:

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 11):
On another note and back to GC we discussed yesterday, they have actually for once been efficient: I e-mailed them my missing flights yesterday evening, and just got an email apologising for the flights not being credited and that they had now credited them to my account. No me not having much faith in GC, I immediately logged onto my GC account, and hey presto, the missing points had been credited... Bravo GC! (on that particular front anyway)

LOL...you were slaggin them not so long ago!!! 10 points and your anybodies LOL...

Well after a whole day with no internet at work , I finally got on to check my mail and Anet!!! Just shows you how you cant live without computers anymore. I couldnt do any of my work today .

25 Post contains images Shamrock350 : The only aviation related things I get at school is listening to my PE teacher go on about how great Ryanair is and how his brother loves being a pil
26 EISHN : Great intro Kaitak. Where do get your thread names, and intro ideas from? I always like them! As for the order, I'm going for the A350. But as for the
27 Post contains links COEI2007 : I finally did a trip report, with poor pictures, but its a start!!!!!!!!!!! DUB-EWR-DUB CO, J (by COEI2007 May 4 2007 in Trip Reports)
28 Kaitak : Thanks EISHN ... I had to have a Star Wars theme today, so it just flowed from there! It's nice to have a bit of humour in it anyway, because above a
29 OA260 : Hey COEI2007 , did you get any pics of the seats and meals etc??? Nice pic of the 777 .
30 COEI2007 : I have one-pic of the seat, which I forgot to add! I must upload it! I was last to board on the outbound, so I didnt want to take pics! Any my meals
31 EISHN : It shows the young boy still inside of you (not a knock at whatever age you may be of course!), and besides, I always like your entertaining intros,
32 COEI2007 : Thats the lowest the loads have been in a long time!!!!!! Theres rarely more than 10 seats open!!
33 JWMD123 : If it is now down to BHX and MAN as said before then I would go for BHX. Lived in BHX for 19 years and EI have a good brand in the area. The fares be
34 BrianDromey : Indeed. I was at MAN today and BAconnect/flyBE is a mess. Customers are being treated quite badly, there does not appear to be any/many flyBE staff a
35 Post contains images Rineanna : I did a SNN-EMA-SNN at the end of 2005. It's a grand airport. Nothing spectacular about it, but I had no major problems with it (the check-in staff w
36 EISHN : I saw a 767-400 last November in SNN. I was suprised, but thought that maybe the 764 comes in for the winter, in place of two daily 757s. I also saw
37 Shamrock350 : Ryanair will not be happy, Aer Lingus is a threat, FR learned that a few years ago when EI made a recovery into a low fares airline and started doing
38 Rineanna : This surely means that EI will have to confirm some of their options on the 320 soon, yes?
39 Shamrock350 : Yes, I'm sure they said 15 new routes and that would need a good few A320s. Maybe the two new A320s coming later this year will be based there just t
40 Styles9002 : Good Morning, All. I have read these threads for a long time and finally decided to join up so I can add replies. I enjoy these threads although I mus
41 Shamrock350 : Welcome to airliners.net Styles9002! I dont know what the difference in operating costs are but I do think it is strange that EI would say this and lo
42 Styles9002 : Thanks, Shamrock350. I read somewhere that EI were also considering RIX or TLL which would certainly would be lower operating costs than BHX or MAN. I
43 COEI2007 : Never gonna happen! Two 752's will operate DUB from Sept, so thats the best thats gonna happen! The 764 operated CO126, EWR-DUB-SNN, for Thanksgiving
44 OA260 : lol....the only way you will get on a 777 is the CO19 from LGW!!!
45 Shamrock350 : RIX was another rumoured base because of how well the DUB flight is supposedly going and of course the lower operating costs but with FR having 8 rou
46 OA260 : Yeah but I dont think they will go head to head with BMI as BHD is much better and BMI have is sewn up.
47 Shamrock350 : Northern Ireland was talked about just after the IPO then FR made their bid and all the rumours and talk disappeared most of them returned apart from
48 Styles9002 : Is EI quiting the ORK MAN route they recently launched? I don't see it in the Amadeus timetable anymore? If they are collapsing the route, that is har
49 Shamrock350 : Yes I'm afraid so. It is no longer bookable after June, the route has only been operating two months so it must have been doing quite badly.
50 Styles9002 : Any idea how EI will re-allocate this aircraft from the canceled MAN ORK MAN route?
51 Shamrock350 : Looking at aerlingus.com there is an extra flight for the DUB-MAN route from June onwards.
52 Post contains images BrianDromey : Welcome to the Irish Av threads. Disagree??? How could you? The aircraft was actually DUB based, operating DUB-MAN-ORK-MAN-DUB. The wrighting was on
53 BestWestern : Not withstanding the fact that EI will never have a x9 daily BFS LHR service, a x4 daily service ex BFS would be really successful.
54 OA260 : Do you have the figures for traffic out of BHD/BFS?? Also what makes you think it would be sucessful and that Ulster folk would choose EI over BD and
55 EIRules : If EI do open the new base in provincial UK such as BHX does anyone think it likely that a L/H eastbound route could be launched via this new base, fo
56 COEI2007 : I personally think EI will announce a base in Eastern Europe. Riga, I've flown CO loads of times, hence my username!!!! I've flown Y on CO on a 752 tw
57 OA260 : Not in Y class I wouldnt do it . Too small. COEI2007 was in J and that makes a big difference. Also I would look at the photo engine on here and sear
58 COEI2007 : My pic of a J seat is being added to my TR. I forgot to take one on the outbound, and only remembered after the doors were shut, so its not the best!
59 BrianDromey : -IIRC the 757-200 in CO configuration actually holds one passenger less than the 767-200 so there is not a huge difference size wise. Im doing LAX-HN
60 Post contains images OA260 : LOL...is that not a general Irish expression ?? I have picked it up and keep getting told off by my family as it drives them mad I just like a big pl
61 Shamrock350 : I was just looking at pprune and someone asked why cant you book Premier on the MCO flights, I checked aerlingus.com and all that comes up is "please
62 Shamrock350 : Morning all! Sorry that should have said Premier, only just notice my mistake so sorry if it confused anyone. I'm not so sure about Riga because of Ry
63 COEI2007 : Grand means it was ok, but it wasnt J! I spent the whole flight thinking about J, and the fact I wasnt there! Ah well, i'll go from sittin in J, to w
64 Aerarann : In todays Tribune newspaper, It states that RE will be Irelands first airline to provide a carbon offset facility, where PAX can pay an extra €1 -
65 OA260 : We will have to all book on your first TA flight and order a round every 30 mins LOL....:D Re: Premier Class on the MCO route is not yet decided if t
66 COEI2007 : Gladly! I'll know who you all are, as you'll all have the camera's out, and you'll be quizzing the crew about what the a/c reg is etc!!!!!!!!!! Its e
67 Post contains images OA260 : LOL...speak for yourself!!! I couldnt give a damn what Reg im on , its doesnt make a difference to be. I only put the Reg in my TR because I was aske
68 EIRules : I couldnt agree more. I know what diferent aircraft look like, know which ones I like and dislike, and know which airports are a pain in the arse and
69 Post contains images Rineanna : Oh I know you didn't just say that on airliners.net, of all places, did you? In other news, Kudos to Globespan and Ireland west for putting the effor
70 Post contains images OA260 : Thank god , I knew there was someone else out there LOL... I would die on a 738 for such a long trip !!! Nice for NOC to have a link to BOS though.
71 EIRules : Jesus, I was worried about flying a 752 transatlantic, I'd have to be sedated to fly a 738 that far. Did one for over 5 hours JFK-SAN last year and a
72 Aer Lingus : this is one aspect i really really dont get. be it a 747 or 738, you're still going to be in a 32" economy seat with the same width as one in a 747.
73 Post contains images OA260 : The max Ive ever done one BFS to ECN in Northern Cyprus it was 5 hours 30 mins with a refuel stop in AYT but we sat on the plane whilst this happened
74 EIRules : Yes thank you for the reminder. But the thought of "my team" winning the league without kicking a ball today is easing the pain. And there was always
75 OA260 : Its not at all if you are locked in a cupboard instead of being locked in a bedroom which do you prefer?? For someone that doesn't like being in too
76 Post contains images OA260 : LOL....yeah the DUBs would have met their match
77 Aer Lingus : so for a 4:30hr flight to the canaries or athens, a 738 is ok but add on an extra hour and it has to be a widebody?! i really wouldn't mind either wa
78 OA260 : Exactly , we will never breathe the same air LOL.... Why did EI never go for 757's??? Never thought about it before but Im just wondering.
79 Aerarann : I am just trying to work out how many planes are based (overnight) @ ORK: From what I can see, its: 3 x RE - ??? 4 x EI - ??? 1 x FR - 738 1 x MA - 73
80 Shamrock350 : It's 4 for now but rumours go around every winter that 5 will be based there and from what I hear more routes will be announced very soon, possibly R
81 OA260 : I remember my first A320 trip on EI in Premier DUB-LHR when the AC was only a few days in service. It was amazing and so bright and clean. It was so
82 Post contains images Shamrock350 : I always liked the new A320s when they had the green and blue seats, looked so clean and modern, such as shame that Aer Lingus wasn't in a "clean and
83 OA260 : Yeah I remember taking my late Grandmother back to LHR in Premier on it and she used to try to read the poetry on the seats only to be annoyed when s
84 Shamrock350 : Well my mother was flying over and she wanted the aisle but she doesn't like flying on her own and the only reason I wasn't going was because she tho
85 BrianDromey : I wouldn't count on the flight not being full (but you might luck out!). ORK-LHR is a big seller, with never more than a few seats free, in my experi
86 EIRules : I remember when I went on my first holiday on my own without my parents we missed our flight home from JFK (to LHR on AA) and as a result missed our
87 Post contains images Shamrock350 : My flights are EI723 and EI724 they are usually full in my experience and seeing as EI723 is a Friday night im sure it will be packed. Both aircraft a
88 Wingnut767 : Hello to all, I will be flying from Boston to Shannon for a family vacation in Sept. What should we expect from EI and how is Shannon Airport. Going t
89 EIRules : Well I wouldnt be expecting a whole lot from SNN IMHO. Its ok and has its own certain charm, but certainly not a modern international hub. As for wha
90 Post contains links and images Rineanna : In the words of Catherine Tate "How very dare you!". SNN is a WONDERFUL airport. OK, OK, it's no Changi and it might not be the most modern, but it's
91 Wingnut767 : " target=_blank>http://www.cousinconnect.com/index.html Thanks
92 OA260 : Are those collums in the SNN terminal concrete or marble??? That photo doesnt do it justice im sure. Makes it look like Eastern block or something.
93 Aerarann : Firstly,The new ATR is due this month (mid - late may) Secondly, The Sat LBA service is a new addition for the summer, bringing the ORK-LBA service t
94 OA260 : Ok for you that are in ORK I want to know how far it is from the city center to the port where the cruise ships come into??? Also is there a regular b
95 Post contains links and images Rineanna : Oh I apologise if my humble photography skills aren't up to your standards; it was with a normal digital camera afterall!       It's 15km from th
96 Post contains images OA260 : All my photos are taken with a pocket digital camera also but what Im saying is that maybe the real look doesnt come out with a camera. Has happened
97 BrianDromey : Normally, I would not have been able to use that service, but, as it is my final journey home to ORK for the summer, I was able to be more flexible.
98 OA260 : Not too sure to be honest but I will have to find out as my flight does not land into Cork until 0850 and normally these things start at around 1030a
99 Post contains links and images Shamrock350 : Imagine this in green and blue... View Large View MediumPhoto © Martin Boschhuizen - AirTeamImages It's the RECARO 6510 seat that will be placed
100 Post contains links Rineanna : Very nice indeed! Which airlines have this type of seat? Are these the seats which have been installed in the other 330s? The majority of cruise line
101 OA260 : Those are nice seats . TP and TK have those I think. How long before all the fleet have these??
102 Shamrock350 : EI-DUZ, one of our newest members provided us with a link to the new seat, I did a search and found that Eurofly had them on A319s I compared the comp
103 Kaitak : Presumably the current A332s will have them? It wouldn't surprise me if the four existing 333s were to leave the fleet. They're still fine aircraft an
104 Post contains images Shamrock350 : I saw that as well. It would be big publicity for EI unlike their recent orders for A320s which have been kept very quiet. I hope both a Long-haul or
105 OA260 : So I guess it would be better to fly on a A332 in you were going on EI Premier this summer???
106 Shamrock350 : I think all the A330s have the same premier class that ESHN showed us from his work experience, it's a question of weather Aer Lingus are planning on
107 EIRules : I dont suppose there is any way that one could check now which aircraft are operating a particular route? Any way to tell if the new 330s would fly f
108 OA260 : The only way would be to call scheduling dept but whether they would tell you is another matter. Or you could go to the airport and say ''book me on
109 EIRules : Eh I like to know where I am going to (within reason anyway). Would be interesting though. I used to have a friend who did that every year after thei
110 OA260 : Years ago BA used to have a program where you turned up at LHR T1 paid GBP45 and you went out and back just for the flight on whatever flight had sea
111 EISHN : This won't be happening. EI-LAX just got the seats that were already on EI-DAA/EWR which would rule out the current A332s receiving the new seats. No
112 COEI2007 : QR has them aswell. I wonder will they have large PTV's like QR aswell? I'd say some the A330-200's will get the new J. EI-ORD is the newest A333, as
113 Post contains links Kaitak : I remember doing that with Ansett and Qantas. This was back in '93 and I was staying with a friend in Perth. I got to go to Sydney; it was my first A
114 Post contains images BestWestern : I'm still waiting for Aer Lingus to order Illyusians! Otherwise, they should go for the 788 to enable them to build frequency.
115 Post contains images OA260 : If that happened id deffo re join the Gold Cirski club
116 Post contains links and images EI787 : Does anyone know why there are different A332 seatmaps on the EI website? There is the original map: And recently I have seen a different map with row
117 OA260 : The first seat plan is weird. No exit row seat the other side in row 11 !!!
118 Smokeyrosco : Would one the new 332? Also, I'd imagine that EI will get rid of the three leased aircraft first, EI-DUB and EI-CRK (333's) and EI-EWR (332). Although
119 Shamrock350 : Seems strange, possibly the new crew rests placed there or a result of them being placed at the back. Most of that row is blocked off, isnt row 11 th
120 EI787 : I believe that is only on the A333
121 EISHN : Seats 1 A+B or the first two seats on the left hand side of Premier on the A332s, have been removed with a new crew rest installed. Its a small little
122 EI787 : Thanks for that, EISHN! So we can now assume that when seeing the A332 layout with the rows missing in the middle of the aircraft that the flight is
123 EISHN : Not necessarily, it could be (and more likely) that its an older A332. Also in my absence over the last two days, I ended up seeing the new EI ads fo
124 Shamrock350 : I have a feeling this is the new slogan! I saw it on an advert for Washington with the same slogan and the usual ones I see in my London paper for DU
125 OA260 : That Golden Gate bridge one has been up outside my office for over a week now. Quite a good one. Alsogota fax from EI advertising ORK routes titled ''
126 EISHN : . Well we already know the seat numbers, but have yet to find out why those seats that are being removed, and what will the extra space used for. I pr
127 Post contains links and images EISHN : EI-DOU Lookin' good! Courtesy of www.planepictures.net http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=620329
128 Post contains images EI787 : Woo!!!! I'm all excited now!!! Thanks EISHN!!!
129 Kaitak : Certainly looks good! I am looking forward to seeing it next week. I am flying from SNN to DUB on Tuesday next (which is the 15th) and I know it won't
130 Post contains images Shamrock350 : Looks good now someone sneak inside and see the seats Aer Lingus really is "reaching new heights"
131 OA260 : Looking good !! Would love a ride on it . Its like a new car!! Squeaky clean paintwork .
132 Rineanna : Is there such a thing as a new plane smell like there is a new car smell?!!
133 Shamrock350 : Yes I went on a new Aer Lingus A320 in 2005 and it smelled just like a new car, everything worked perfectly and was so quiet. It was a great flight.
134 Mccormk : Anybody know what the hump is just forward of door 2
135 Shamrock350 : Something to so with IFE I think. Most widebodies have these bumps.
136 EISHN : I think the hump is for internet connection, of some kind. Perhaps they will offer internet connection fpr Premier pax, free of charge, and at a price
137 Tonymctigue : Hello all, I've got a quick question. I was down in SNN on Saturday with my radio scanner doing a bit of spotting when a Garda patrol car entered the
138 Rineanna : Did any of the others have a scanner and have you used it before at SNN in front of Gardaí? I'm not entirely what the deal is with scanners in terms
139 OA260 : Sounds like over zealous new recruits to me . Sure they will proberbly get to know you and that you are just a normal guy carrying out his hobbie. I w
140 Shamrock350 : I was messing about on Video maker today and decided to see if I could make one about EI, using photos for now. I put one together in the past few min
141 Tonymctigue : I have used it there before in front of the Gardai & even one time there were three soldiers who came over to me & asked if they could listen in too
142 EISHN : Hey Shamrock350, I really like the video you put together. I've seen a lot of those pictures before, but a lot that I haven't seen. Good work! As for
143 Tonymctigue : I was guessing myself that they were probably new recruits as they were both very young & I had never seen either of them before & your right, they a
144 Rineanna : Well that's just ridiculous then. These two obviously had nothing better to do. Whatever about generally enquiring about the scanner , there was no n
145 Smokeyrosco : A lot of scanners that you can buy in this country (or outside this country on the internet) is actually illegal in this country believe it or not, c
146 Post contains links Kaitak : Aer Lingus has released its traffic statistics for April; overall, traffic up 2.4%, although the headline obscures some points of concern: long haul t
147 Shamrock350 : Thanks EISHN, I love the song more than anything about the video. It's bad to hear that long-haul passenger numbers are lower seeing as EI are really
148 Danny : Hint from bmi - switch A321 for A319.
149 Al2637 : Anytime I've been on an EI A321 they are generally PACKED. So I don't see how this would help matters. EI use them on busy routes DUB-LHR, DUB-AMS, O
150 Danny : They obviously have a problem as LF are falling continuously. Don't judge it by few flights that you have been on. How this would help? If you have 1
151 Shamrock350 : They dont need to replace any A321s because there are only 6 of them and they are used where they are needed, such as the LHR routes and to Spanish de
152 Rineanna : I do concur that A319s would be an invaluable addition to the fleet, for all the reasons mentioned in previous threads re: thinner routes. A leaf cou
153 Post contains links Smokeyrosco : For some reason April seemed to be a particularly poor month for EI, they carried 3.3% more passengers on short haul then April last year. Long haul p
154 OA260 : Cool video Shamrock350 , love the desk at T1 LHR and the PTV on the A330 shot . Thanks
155 OA260 : RE to spend £500,000 on advertising in the UK Leisure market . Mostly in Bristol,Manchester,Newcastle and Edinbugh..sorry no West London lol...
156 Post contains images Shamrock350 : All we get is Bmi and their adverts are boring any EI adverts that were around are now gone I would have liked seeing RE ads Thanks OA260, the desk a
157 EISHN : bmi were in trouble, and still are, although they did announce profits. EI are doing well. They would have posted profits in the region of €93 MIL
158 Danny : Not true. They posted around 13 MIL takeover defense costs. Even that number seems hard to justify as all they did was to release few statements and
159 EIDUZ : Sorry to sound stupid, but what do CASM and RASM mean?
160 EISHN : What I meant was, something in that region. Last I heard, it was €16 mil. spent on the crisis, and lasty I heard the porfit was €77 mil. so I put
161 Smokeyrosco : There was also costs in relation to the float, the actual would be profit is around 73M Euro
162 BrianDromey : Very true. An A319 does not cost a whole lot less to operate than an A320. That said, I think there is space in the EI network for the A319. It would
163 Post contains images Rineanna : I disagree. ORK could also benefit from their introduction, the MUC and MXP routes would certainly have. There could be any sort of economic shock ah
164 EISHN : But look at what the market was like back then. You had EI, FR, and a few other carriers with daily flights. EI was carrying a average of 1.5 million
165 COEI2007 : Well, maybe an A319 order could be on the horizon???? Along with the much anticipated L/H order, could we see options being excercises, along with an
166 Post contains images Toulouse : Apart from Toulouse and Jersey... I have always believed that a few 319's would complement EI's shorthaul fleet well.
167 Poitin : Not a stupid question, just that you didn't know. Cost Available Seat Mile (CASM) is the total cost of a fight, that is crew, fees, fuel, supplies, o
168 Shamrock350 : I think it would be great for EI to order a huge amount of Airbus aircraft, imagine a the Paris Air Show, Aer Lingus order 14 A350/787 and 7 A330s as
169 BrianDromey : In such a situation, there is nothing to stop them pulling an A320 with 144 or fewer passengers to operate the flight with the aircraft whcih has gon
170 COEI2007 : Well, with a new base opening at the start of 2008, an order for s/h aircraft must be imminent?
171 Post contains images Shamrock350 : Ah yes, forgot about that even though I talked about it at the beginning of the thread Well Paris sounds like a perfect place to make an EI long-haul
172 BestWestern : April has been suprisingly soft for all carriers. BA, FR, EZY and now EI announcing serious falls in load factors. hence all the route offers, and sal
173 Post contains images N272wa : Shamrock350, BIG UP TO YOU !! Really liked that video you made..... very nice indeed Well done.
174 N272WA : So why have EI then failed to make CPH work on 2 separate occassions in the past, as well as ARN (very short lived service there).. SK and FR have Sc
175 BestWestern : HEL is very seasonal, and a very long sector.
176 Post contains links EISHN : The back lash of a fall in passengers is being felt: http://www.breakingnews.ie/business/?jp=MHAUSNQLEYSN&rss=rss1
177 Smokeyrosco : hardly a backlash losing 1.6% of it's value, there has been greater increases and falls then that for no good reason.
178 COEI2007 : These threads get soo long so quick, its hard to remember who posted what!!!! They are perfect for LHR, BRU, AMS, AGP and adding extra capacity. They
179 Shamrock350 : I think a few A319s would help EI but in similar numbers to the A321s, around 6-10 because the A320s are doing a great job on many routes. However I d
180 COEI2007 : I think if 319s arent orders, NCL will be cut, and other routes will continue to be seasonal. With 319's, some frequencies could be increased, allowi
181 Shamrock350 : The minute NCL was announced I doubted it, I thought "uh oh another LPL" but so far I haven't heard how the flight is doing against FR but it's still
182 Toulouse : I fully agree and for a long time have been supporting the addition of 319's to the fleet. They are advertising connections to the US on the French l
183 Post contains images OA260 : Just found this photo!!! One which I hope we will never see again!!
184 Shamrock350 : Thanks and no I haven't ever thought about working for EI marketing department, I'd be happy as customer service or something like that where you dea
185 Shamrock350 : BOS and JFk seem to be the only US routes offered for most of Europe including France, Italy and Spain. Here it is from the Spanish site:
186 COEI2007 : The video makes me happy i'm gonna work for EI, especially the pic of the back of the cabin crew, with a cheeky looking one looking back!!!
187 N272WA : Yes i know AY operate the route with a 2 x weekly KF, but my original post stated that HEL may work for EI *IF* AY don't operate this winter, hence r
188 Post contains images Shamrock350 : I hadn't thought about EI and AY, how was their relationship when EI was in OW? DM also said that he believed EI has an advantage on longer routes su
189 Post contains links and images Kaitak : I'd expect AY to continue with their own aircraft on a year-round service; if TK does well with connections through IST, then AY should be able to do
190 Post contains images N272WA : Morning Shamrock350, sincere apologies to you mate. No idea what button I clicked on last night, but It was late and I was snoozy and not concentrati
191 Shamrock350 : Thats alright N272WA, I agreed with your comments about HEL, even if it is a long sector so is ATH and EI seems to believe that these routes are where
192 BrianDromey : One in three, not bad odds. Thanks AerArann! Oh yea, EI were going nowhere fast, at one point. Morale was awful, service was worse and the whole airl
193 N272WA : I agree Shamrock350... some poster argued that EI would not operate to HEL because it is 'seasonal'.... LIS springs to mind as an example where EI onl
194 Post contains images Danny : Talking about connections... my friend is flying today BUF-JFK on Jetblue followed by JFK-DUB-WAW on EI. I'll report back how well her trip went
195 Post contains links Kaitak : Aer Lingus is to increase its fuel surcharges on long haul flights from today, to $40 per sector for all except LAX and SFO, which will be $50. http:/
196 Kaitak : Sorry that should be €40 and €50, respectively (sorry couldn't edit the previous post!)
197 Shamrock350 : How much has the price of oil increased? Surely not enough to warrant an increase, this will be bad publicity especially when FR say what they what th
198 Danny : And FR will have a good point. Anytime oil goes up airlines are quick to increase surcharges but when oil goes down surcharges stay the same or fall
199 OA260 : Have you filled up your car in the past few weeks ??? I sure have and its gone from nearly under €1 per litre to €1.14 per litre so its the same
200 EI787 : Ryanair are to fly DUB-ATH and LPL-ATH for the Champions League: Expensive fares!!!!
201 BrianDromey : Even for FR this is a new low.....internet check-in only. For €450. Its a scam! Im sure they will find people to fill the planes though. Fair play
202 Post contains links Poitin : Interesting. Given that the world wide price of Jet Fuel is actually down 3.8% from a year ago. I am sure MOL will have a howl. The price of jet fuel
203 Post contains images Danny : Y is good enough on their E70/75 that serve DUB. Should be a nice flight. Hey, but MOL will throw his "no fuel surcharge guarantee"
204 ABC9 : Good point Poitin but let's not forget that EI actually reduced their fuel surcharge earlier this year - the IATA figures are showing an increase of
205 Provance : EI are to return to Munich and Tenerife from ORK for winter
206 Shamrock350 : I'm 16 and dont drive yet but if it has gone up by 4.4% in the last month I cant really blame EI and they maintain that they are keeping it under con
207 OA260 : GoldAir handling and Swissport are the main check in agents in ATH. Well EI last week were €900!!!! So its actually cheap .
208 Aerarann : Those FR fares to ATH are extortionate, from €850+ , but sure they'll get it no problem, i know a guy who paid €2800 for flights, 1 nights accom a
209 BrianDromey : I think FR use swissport at STN, IIRC. I can see why FR are only allowing web-check-in though, given the "unique" nature of their check-in. Makes eve
210 Post contains links OA260 : Yeah I sold a group on that trip!!! Crazy people !!! Yeah the seats are the same just no nice meal but I do have lounge access so it will be cool. Ca
211 EI787 : I'm pleased that FR will stop the €0.01 nonsense and start showing the true prices. It should be that way for all airlines. The thing about refundin
212 Shamrock350 : I tired to find a lower fare on EI and the closest I got was NCL-DUB for £20. FR was £10 even with that fare I would still fly EI but a normal passe
213 Post contains images OA260 : Me too it was false advertising because when you clicked and entered you credit card it was often €20-€30 more!!! You not normal Shamrock350 LOL.
214 Toulouse : Luck you, it's up to between €1.30 and €1.39 here in Toulouse! Totally agree.
215 Post contains images Shamrock350 : I'm remaking that video I did, longer and nicer version of Gabriel's Oboe and more images including a slightly funny one of the results announcement.
216 Post contains images Scorp : I think that EI would be stretching to make Scandanavia work after having tried CPH twice, and pulling off it twice. With all the capacity on other ai
217 Kaitak : There's a snippet of news on "Speednews", which lists some "new" contracts announced by ILFC: "May 9: ILFC announced lease deals with Air Astana (two
218 Post contains images Poitin : What you say is true. However, I am sure we will hear a HOWL from MOL. Gasoline, as we call it in the states, is now about $3.50 a gallon where I liv
219 Post contains links Kaitak : Just back to my previous comment re the A320 announcement, this does indeed seem to be a new aircraft!
220 Shamrock350 : These quiet little orders can get annoying, you haven't a clue sometimes on what has or hasn't been ordered but they all seem to just appear on the or
221 COEI2007 : I think CAI, AGA, LCA etc are good ideas. Low LF's would almost be a certainty at first, but the routes would grow. However, with the dramatics that
222 Shamrock350 : Here's my updated and better video with better music IMO.
223 OA260 : Hey Scorp good destinations although I have to disagree with LCA as its already saturated by charters but maybe a twice weekly winter service into LC
224 Kaitak : They do; what really bugs me is when the likes of Airbus repeat orders that have already been announced and one is never quite sure if this is a new
225 EISHN : Didn't mean anything by it. I also made a similar (crappy) little copy. I would really like to see yours, and Shamrock350's new video. I couldn't bel
226 BrianDromey : For JQ, I presume? Otherwise QF are doing a major turnaround on their NB fleet! Interesting. My guess is this one will be based at BAN/BHX or where e
227 Post contains images Shamrock350 : I was also disappointed but it went up very quickly and EI probably dont want to be caught off guard. 4.4% in around 28 days is a big rise and if it
228 COEI2007 : Speaking of MAN, since TG stated it was interested in flying MAN-BKK, could EI operate an A332 without too many restrictions DUB-MAN-BKK???? Also, in
229 EISHN : Hey, great video!!! I ove this one, you have real nack for it. Toulouse made a good point about going for the marketing division of EI!!!
230 Post contains images Shamrock350 : Thanks EISHN. Can others show their videos, I would love to see them, they dont have to be about EI but most of are members of the Aer Lingus fan clu
231 N272WA : hey shamrock350, loved teh 2nd video better!! very well done lad!
232 EISHN : I posted my video to youtube, and am waiting for it to be finished being processed. its under the title, Aer Lingus- Relax Will post it here when its
233 Post contains images Smokeyrosco : Forgive me, I was referring to the article not to you, its funny because FR lost a greater % of its value for no reason. Edit: the little edit thing
234 Post contains links Kaitak : OK, folks, I've set up No. 23/07 ... Taking To The Skies - Irish 23/07 (by Kaitak May 10 2007 in Civil Aviation)
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