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NWA Starts Retiring 742 Freighters  
User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10731 posts, RR: 9
Posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5004 times:


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This impressive view of old Northwest aircraft at Marana has an interesting detail. Among all the passenger jets there is a freighter, one of the original batch of four 747-251Fs delivered in 1975/76. Registration is hardly readable, its either N616US or N618US.
This is the first freighter NWA is retiring. I wonder what will replace this old bird.

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User currently offlineSwissA330 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2002, 613 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4827 times:

and what about the DC9's?
 Smile



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4773 times:

ultimate question...
What replaces the 742 freighters? 742Conversions? 744BCF? 748F?



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10731 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4516 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 2):
ultimate question...
What replaces the 742 freighters? 742Conversions? 744BCF? 748F?

NWA is said to convert some of its older 744s in the coming years.


User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6906 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4479 times:

Quoting SwissA330 (Reply 1):
and what about the DC9's?

Do not blaspheme-NW DC-9's are eternal! Banish such unclean thoughts from your mind lest you get struck by lightning!
 hissyfit 



The problem with making things foolproof is that fools are so doggone ingenious...Dan Keebler
User currently offlineDa man From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 887 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4448 times:

Quoting NA (Thread starter):
its either N616US or N618US.

Looks like N618US to me...



War Eagle!
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4397 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 3):
NWA is said to convert some of its older 744s in the coming years.

Odd ball question. The 747-400 F has the shorter -100/-200 upper deck. Would NW convert their 744's to a shorter upper deck to reduce weight a la a reverse 747-200 SUD like KL did?

[Edited 2007-05-04 19:01:59]

[Edited 2007-05-04 19:02:34]

User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7494 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4263 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 6):
Odd ball question. The 747-400 F has the shorter -100/-200 upper deck. Would NW convert their 744's to a shorter upper deck to reduce weight a la a reverse 747-200 SUD like KL did?

I severely doubt it !



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13107 posts, RR: 100
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4224 times:
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Quoting SwissA330 (Reply 1):
and what about the DC9's?

I'm with SEpilot. Blasphamy.  Wink

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 6):
Odd ball question. The 747-400 F has the shorter -100/-200 upper deck. Would NW convert their 744's to a shorter upper deck to reduce weight a la a reverse 747-200 SUD like KL did?

No certified procedure for such a conversion.  Sad

Once you have the PAX upper deck, the plane ends its life like that. Its one reason the BCF has a little less lift than the factory 744F. (Notice I didn't type 744ERF, a different MTOW animal.)

The reality is with oil stuck at $60/bbl+ and looking to go higher (not in Euro denominate prices, but there is a penalty for our trade deficit...), NW must modernize their fleet. The NW strategy of milking the life out of older airframes was smart in the sub $35/bbl days. But the energy market won't ever be the same (e.g., India is building ~14km of superhighway per day. China has also announced an interstate network.)

Naturally, the DC-9's are exempt from anything as mundane as a fleet renewal program.  Wink

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8528 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4137 times:

Don't forget, NW still has some more 742 pax jets to convert into freighters. Still, it is surprising NW would not keep old 742s around for freight growth. That jet must have well over 120,000 hours, just plain worn out.

User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6906 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4105 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 9):
That jet must have well over 120,000 hours, just plain worn out.

It is a well-established fact (in the original Hebrew there's a Bible verse that states it) that the only machine in the entire history of the planet-past and future-that is immune from aging is the DC-9. My Hebrew isn't too good-perhaps it also restricts it to those flown by NW.



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8528 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4065 times:

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 10):

It is a well-established fact (in the original Hebrew there's a Bible verse that states it) that the only machine in the entire history of the planet-past and future-that is immune from aging is the DC-9. My Hebrew isn't too good-perhaps it also restricts it to those flown by NW.

So I forget, did God create the DC-9 or did the DC-9 create God? Are there any famous paintings showing this?  Smile


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10731 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3991 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 9):
Don't forget, NW still has some more 742 pax jets to convert into freighters.

The last 747-200B Freighter conversion so far was done in late 2005 by Bedek/Tel Aviv and it was actually a Northwest aircraft, registered N631US, now N631NW. I have my doubts that any more 742s will be converted, not even by NWA, now that the "youngest" 747-200B passenger planes are 21 years old (the few 742s which are younger are all freighters or converted freighters). 744 conversions are done at full pace these days, leaving no capacity anyway.


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3931 times:

That picture has so many NW birds in it, almost looks like a bankruptcy/dissolution sale going on!!

Sad to see so many grand old lady's of the sky just sitting around.



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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7494 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3906 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 12):

The last 747-200B Freighter conversion so far was done in late 2005 by Bedek/Tel Aviv and it was actually a Northwest aircraft, registered N631US, now N631NW. I have my doubts that any more 742s will be converted

I read somewhere that the above company did their last -200,and will only do 400's and maybe 300's(??) from now on.



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User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 11):
So I forget, did God create the DC-9 or did the DC-9 create God? Are there any famous paintings showing this?

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[Edited 2007-05-04 22:38:49]

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3825 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 3):

NWA is said to convert some of its older 744s in the coming years.

Thats one of the options, the others are to buy 777F's or 748F's.

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 8):
NW must modernize their fleet. The NW strategy of milking the life out of older airframes was smart in the sub $35/bbl days.

Actually the DC-9's are cheaper to operate then a leased A319 and especially A320.



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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3635 times:

Any one notice the N number in post 15?
N763NC...wasn't that the 50 in the gate collision at MSP with the A 319 a year or so back
and wasn't N763NC pulled from service and parted out?
safe



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User currently offlineCOA735 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3610 times:

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 15):

 rotfl   rotfl 

I noticed alot of NWA planes with new paint schemes in that pic. Does this mean that they are in some sort of financial trouble, or are they replacing them with another type of aircraft (319,320)?


User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3407 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3585 times:

Quoting COA735 (Reply 18):
I noticed alot of NWA planes with new paint schemes in that pic. Does this mean that they are in some sort of financial trouble, or are they replacing them with another type of aircraft (319,320)?

likely the problems with their RJ contracts and routes put the smaller frames there.

and of course the MD-11 are likely only waiting for slots to get converted before they go to their new owners whoever they are.


User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

Quoting COA735 (Reply 18):
I noticed alot of NWA planes with new paint schemes in that pic. Does this mean that they are in some sort of financial trouble, or are they replacing them with another type of aircraft (319,320)?

Does "Being in Bankruptcy and reducing domestic capacity dramatically during restructuring" count as financial trouble? If so, then yes.  Smile

BTW, my biblical Hewbrew is pretty good, and it's quite clear that Noah tried to sell off his DC-9's after the Mabul (the great flood) but he couldn't find buyers since the market demand for freight carrying DC-9's that smelled like barns was quite low at the time. Northwest aquired them in a merger and converted them back to passenger configuration.



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User currently offlineLASOctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 4):
NW DC-9's are eternal

is that why im seeing DC-9s w/ covered up windows and such?!  Silly

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 16):
Actually the DC-9's are cheaper to operate then a leased A319 and especially A320.

it shows.. Smile



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User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3407 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3557 times:

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 21):
is that why im seeing DC-9s w/ covered up windows and such?!

nah its just naptime for some of them.


User currently offlineDa man From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 887 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3556 times:

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 19):
and of course the MD-11 are likely only waiting for slots to get converted before they go to their new owners whoever they are.

Um, those are DC-10s not MD-11s.



War Eagle!
User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3407 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3551 times:

Quoting Da man (Reply 23):
Um, those are DC-10s not MD-11s.

same difference, looked like the tail engine was larger so I guessed...


25 COERJ145 : Actually its N763NW, not NC.[Edited 2007-05-05 04:18:40]
26 Gunsontheroof : Actually, a massive fleet of DC-9Fs. To make up for lack of capacity, they'll travel in packs.
27 Post contains images COERJ145 : Due to the last image getting deleted(by accident)... [Edited 2007-05-05 07:04:41]
28 Post contains images Lightsaber : NW used to advertise that up to a certain cost of oil. Do you have a link for the per flight costs. That is a great image! I love it! Oh, I'm shocked
29 Post contains images ASMD11 : I knew it! That must have been on the 8th day
30 Post contains images Nwarooster : This is the last year Northwest will fly PAX 747-200s. I think another two 747Fs will be retired next year. Northwest will probably start converting 7
31 Thorben : I see at least a dozen in front of the 747s.
32 VC10DC10 : So, if Northwest is converting pax 747-451s to freighters, what will they use to replenish their long-range, high-capacity passenger fleet? Note that
33 Thorben : In case they'll find money for it, I think we'll see at least two of those four models in NW colours. A346 or77W to replace the 742s, 747-8 or A380 t
34 Post contains images Nwarooster : Northwest Airlines will never buy the Airbus A380 or A340-600. They are going to stick with twin engine aircraft in the future. They will convert the
35 Post contains images VC10DC10 : So in a few years time it's going to take a heckuva lot of rotations to fly the usual complement of DTW-NRT flights? Sad. As a supporter of four-engi
36 Thorben : Really? How do you know?
37 Jeffry747 : Why did they even bother painting all of those old birds in that beautiful brand new paint job if they're only gonna mothball 'em. Seems like a waste
38 Post contains images AlecxiA319 : 618US AlecxiA319 (look at the poor DC9's!) It's so smashed in there!
39 Burnsie28 : No it was in the fleet renewal plan that NWA gave to ALPA which in turn gave to the pilots. I don't know about a "regional jet" either way it will be
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