CHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 63 Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3974 times:
Oil traffic - plain and simple. I would think this is a banker if they can block book the seats for a year or so. Does it say who is looking at doing the route? I would think a A319CJ or 737-700BBJ would be ideal. Privatair maybe?
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
EWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5522 posts, RR: 57 Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3656 times:
Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 9): Hey EWRCabincrew, confirm or deny my thinking please SIR!
Our 800s are. Our others, since we do fly to points where it's overwater, I would assume are. I need to do some research. I need to be more informed (hangs head in shame).
EWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5522 posts, RR: 57 Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3445 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12): Does Air Mike not have its own subfleet anymore?
I don't know about a subfleet, but dedicated a/c for their operations (save the 764s which are flown throughout the CO system) Air Mike's birds are CO equipment.
2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3411 times:
Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 7): They are if I'm not mistaken--but they don't have BusinessFirst...which they'd need.
Rightnow, CO is flying B737 without BusinessFirst IAH-ANC and EWR-GYE, two routes with similar mileage than EWR-ABZ, I understand they want to keep the same level of service on all their European operations, so It'll be a bit unlikely that they would re-configure 1 or 2 B737 with BusinessFirst cabin just to fly to EWR-ABZ (or BFS, SNN - if the B757 is needed somewherelse).
Gkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24621 posts, RR: 58 Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3325 times:
Quoting BA787 (Reply 10): If this is such an ideal route, would it not be possible for BA to start the service. Maybe with a 752 (i think some are ETOPS).
ABZ isn't London so no chance in hell of BA starting it.
Privatair or KLM (or both)
When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
IcLCY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 256 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3313 times:
Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 5): Before any IAH-ABZ commercial scheduled flights, CO might well start a EWR-ABZ service
Think yr missing the point. Aberdeen is the oil/gas centre of Scotland/UK ABZ is the jumping off point for the various oil/gas platforms in the North Sea. Aberdeen has more incommon with IAH than EWR. ABZ-EWR flights would only be usefull to a few grannies on a shopping trip. Where as ABZ-IAH oil execs/workers i.e the money makers etc.
Analog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3248 times:
How would this work legally? This would be a 7th freedom thing (Dutch airline from UK to US), right? Is this currently allowed, or would it be something falling under the new Open Skies agreement?
Speaking of that, how does the KL IAH-AMS Privatair flight work? Why is the fact that the aircraft is Swiss operated/owned not an issue?
ARGinLON From Vatican City, joined Jun 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3223 times:
Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 15): None of our 737s have the B/F cabin, nor will they. They just have regular first class seats. Nor will the 737 go trans-Atlantic.
We also no longer fly EWR-GYE non-stop. The service is through IAH.
Please explain why CO does not currently consider dedicating a 737-700 fleet with a BF product only to serve high yield BF destinations? e.g. ABZ, AMS, LOS and other African destinations.
Is this a only matter of consistency in the fleet/product? (I heard this here before). If that’s the case, to what extent can you justify such policy if you see your competitors take over lucrative markets?
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21244 posts, RR: 19 Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3107 times:
Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 13):
I don't know about a subfleet, but dedicated a/c for their operations (save the 764s which are flown throughout the CO system) Air Mike's birds are CO equipment.
That's a little weird. If the routes ex-GUM are the only 738 routes which require ETOPS (which, to my knowledge, they are), it seems wasteful to maintain all the 738s to ETOPS standards.
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
EWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5522 posts, RR: 57 Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3093 times:
Quoting ARGinLON (Reply 20):
Please explain why CO does not currently consider dedicating a 737-700 fleet with a BF product only to serve high yield BF destinations? e.g. ABZ, AMS, LOS and other African destinations.
I wish I could explain it. CO would make a small mint doing it. Unfortunately, I am not in charge.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21244 posts, RR: 19 Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3065 times:
Quoting CALMSP (Reply 23): we use etops on many of our flights other than GUM routes...............in fact we just started our IAH-ANC runs with a 75 minute ETOP
What part of that route requires ETOPS 75? It's pretty much all over land, and between airports in BC and AK, there should be no need for ETOPS
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
25 Drerx7: Well remember ETOPS is also over desolate land areas too. Not sure if that is still applicable for IAH-ANC, I'd assume so ... North of BC.
26 Cubsrule: ANC-CDV-YAK-JNU-PSG-YPR-YWL is all legal without ETOPS, and that's about the routing they would use.
27 A340Spotter: It's not an ETOPS flight. Routes such as AUA-EWR, POS-EWR, EWR-PSE (due BDA "closure" w/CFR) are routes that sometimes use the 75 minute ETOPS. All o
29 EDICHC: Spot on there! Correct me if I'm wrong but a 752 fuelled up for ABZ-IAH not be severly weight resticted? Runway at ABZ isn't exactly the longest.
30 Gkirk: Should be fine in Privatair config. Not sure if a BBJ or ACJ could do it though?
31 EDICHC: Quite agree there, but I was referring to the highly unlikely suggestion of an ETOPS 752 in standard config.
32 Viscount724: Regardless of passenger load, I doubt a BBJ or ACJ would be able to operate nonstop to IAH (4017 naut. mi.) off ABZ's current 6000 ft. runway. They a
33 Gkirk: No chance.A normal 757 just doesnt have the range. A 757 in exec config however is a much better performer than an ACJ or a BBJ anyway thanks to the
34 ARGinLON: WHat is is the range of an all business class configured PrivateAir? And of a 73G all business class (say 48 seats)?
35 Chugach: Depending on the winds, CO can sometimes benefit by routing via the SEA or YVR VFR checkpoints, and then heading out over the Gulf of Alaska directly
36 Cubsrule: But even SEA-ANC direct wouldn't require ETOPS. Do they really ever go so far out that they need it?
37 Chugach: It's not necessary, but CO still uses it on some of their flights. Compare CO flights vs. AS flights on that route as an example. AS always has to hu
38 Cubsrule: Obviously, I'm not expert in weather in the northern Pacific, but a direct track YZT-ANC wouldn't seem to require ETOPS. Not doubting you, but they m
39 Joost: Under current regulations, it would indeed only be able to work as a 7th freedom and there are currently no flights between Europe and the US working
40 BA787: An amazing feeling when on one . Ive said it before, the 757 hjas so many charectaristics that make me believe it was built with a huge passion. It d
41 EI A330-200: This is actually incorrect. I believe that TN operates LAX-CDG-LAX as 7th Freedom. Also, NZ operates LAX-LHR-LAX. Also, AI operates FRA-US flights, a
42 Viscount724: Those are all 5th freedom, not 7th freedom services, except for TN LAX-CDG-LAX which I believe is considered 3rd/4th freedom since French Polynesia i
43 Artsyman: What part of that route requires ETOPS 75? It's pretty much all over land, and between airports in BC and AK, there should be no need for ETOPS **** I
44 Chugach: Well, on that note, CO 1584 will be making a pit stop at PDX this evening enroute to ANC. First fuel stop of the season, I believe. http://flightawar
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