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IAH-ABZ Soon To Be A Reality?  
User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4024 posts, RR: 26
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4845 times:

Just discovered this post via the IAH Spotters Club, thanks to the club's ever intrepid, Jim 'tiger671'

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iahspottersclub/message/28702

Comments?

Thomas

[Edited 2007-05-04 15:27:54]


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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4810 times:

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Thread starter):
the IAH Spotters Club

Yep those guys are good!  Smile

IAH-ABZ would be wonderful...especially for CO to take the route on.



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 61
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4782 times:

Oil traffic - plain and simple. I would think this is a banker if they can block book the seats for a year or so. Does it say who is looking at doing the route? I would think a A319CJ or 737-700BBJ would be ideal. Privatair maybe?


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4024 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4730 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 2):
Does it say who is looking at doing the route? I would think a A319CJ or 737-700BBJ would be ideal. Privatair maybe?

They're mum on that but I too thought of Privatair when I first read the article.

Should be interesting to see if anything happens in the coming months.

Thomas



"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4050 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4715 times:
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unfortunately, it wont be us  Sad


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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4694 times:

Before any IAH-ABZ commercial scheduled flights, CO might well start a EWR-ABZ service.
Doesn't CO fly IAH-ANC - a similar EWR-ABZ distance - with B737-700/800 ?
EWR (40°41'33"N 74°10'07"W) ABZ (57°12'07"N 02°11'52"W) 44° (NE) 2861 nm
IAH (29°59'04"N 95°20'29"W) ANC (61°10'28"N 149°59'47"W) 327° (NW) 2838 nm



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23305 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4619 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 5):
Doesn't CO fly IAH-ANC - a similar EWR-ABZ distance - with B737-700/800 ?

Yes (on a 738), but I'm not sure that any of COs 737s are ETOPS, which would obviously be necessary.



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4560 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
Yes (on a 738), but I'm not sure that any of COs 737s are ETOPS, which would obviously be necessary.

They are if I'm not mistaken--but they don't have BusinessFirst...which they'd need.



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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4553 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
but I'm not sure that any of COs 737s are ETOPS

Our 738s are. They fly the Pacific every day (out of GUM).



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4505 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
not sure that any of COs 737s are ETOPS

I think all the CO 700's, 800's, and even the 900's are ETOPS......Hey EWRCabincrew, confirm or deny my thinking please SIR!  Smile



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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4481 times:

If this is such an ideal route, would it not be possible for BA to start the service. Maybe with a 752 (i think some are ETOPS).

Using an LHR crew, like they do for MAN, I think this could work well


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4464 times:

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 9):
Hey EWRCabincrew, confirm or deny my thinking please SIR!

Our 800s are. Our others, since we do fly to points where it's overwater, I would assume are. I need to do some research. I need to be more informed (hangs head in shame).



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23305 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4355 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 8):
Our 738s are. They fly the Pacific every day (out of GUM).

Does Air Mike not have its own subfleet anymore?



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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4253 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 12):
Does Air Mike not have its own subfleet anymore?

I don't know about a subfleet, but dedicated a/c for their operations (save the 764s which are flown throughout the CO system) Air Mike's birds are CO equipment.



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4219 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 7):
They are if I'm not mistaken--but they don't have BusinessFirst...which they'd need.

Rightnow, CO is flying B737 without BusinessFirst IAH-ANC and EWR-GYE, two routes with similar mileage than EWR-ABZ, I understand they want to keep the same level of service on all their European operations, so It'll be a bit unlikely that they would re-configure 1 or 2 B737 with BusinessFirst cabin just to fly to EWR-ABZ (or BFS, SNN - if the B757 is needed somewherelse).



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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4204 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 14):
Rightnow, CO is flying B737 without BusinessFirst

None of our 737s have the B/F cabin, nor will they. They just have regular first class seats. Nor will the 737 go trans-Atlantic.

We also no longer fly EWR-GYE non-stop. The service is through IAH.



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4050 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4177 times:
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Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 15):

thank goodness!!!



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4133 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 10):
If this is such an ideal route, would it not be possible for BA to start the service. Maybe with a 752 (i think some are ETOPS).

ABZ isn't London so no chance in hell of BA starting it.
Privatair or KLM (or both)  Wink



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User currently offlineIcLCY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4121 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 5):
Before any IAH-ABZ commercial scheduled flights, CO might well start a EWR-ABZ service

Think yr missing the point. Aberdeen is the oil/gas centre of Scotland/UK ABZ is the jumping off point for the various oil/gas platforms in the North Sea. Aberdeen has more incommon with IAH than EWR. ABZ-EWR flights would only be usefull to a few grannies on a shopping trip. Where as ABZ-IAH oil execs/workers i.e the money makers etc.


User currently offlineAnalog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4056 times:

How would this work legally? This would be a 7th freedom thing (Dutch airline from UK to US), right? Is this currently allowed, or would it be something falling under the new Open Skies agreement?

Speaking of that, how does the KL IAH-AMS Privatair flight work? Why is the fact that the aircraft is Swiss operated/owned not an issue?


User currently offlineARGinLON From Vatican City, joined Jun 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4031 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 15):
None of our 737s have the B/F cabin, nor will they. They just have regular first class seats. Nor will the 737 go trans-Atlantic.

We also no longer fly EWR-GYE non-stop. The service is through IAH.

Please explain why CO does not currently consider dedicating a 737-700 fleet with a BF product only to serve high yield BF destinations? e.g. ABZ, AMS, LOS and other African destinations.

Is this a only matter of consistency in the fleet/product? (I heard this here before). If that’s the case, to what extent can you justify such policy if you see your competitors take over lucrative markets?


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23305 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3915 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 13):

I don't know about a subfleet, but dedicated a/c for their operations (save the 764s which are flown throughout the CO system) Air Mike's birds are CO equipment.

That's a little weird. If the routes ex-GUM are the only 738 routes which require ETOPS (which, to my knowledge, they are), it seems wasteful to maintain all the 738s to ETOPS standards.



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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3901 times:

Quoting ARGinLON (Reply 20):

Please explain why CO does not currently consider dedicating a 737-700 fleet with a BF product only to serve high yield BF destinations? e.g. ABZ, AMS, LOS and other African destinations.

I wish I could explain it. CO would make a small mint doing it. Unfortunately, I am not in charge.



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4050 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3887 times:
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we use etops on many of our flights other than GUM routes...............in fact we just started our IAH-ANC runs with a 75 minute ETOP


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23305 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3873 times:

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 23):
we use etops on many of our flights other than GUM routes...............in fact we just started our IAH-ANC runs with a 75 minute ETOP

What part of that route requires ETOPS 75? It's pretty much all over land, and between airports in BC and AK, there should be no need for ETOPS



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25 Drerx7 : Well remember ETOPS is also over desolate land areas too. Not sure if that is still applicable for IAH-ANC, I'd assume so ... North of BC.
26 Cubsrule : ANC-CDV-YAK-JNU-PSG-YPR-YWL is all legal without ETOPS, and that's about the routing they would use.
27 A340Spotter : It's not an ETOPS flight. Routes such as AUA-EWR, POS-EWR, EWR-PSE (due BDA "closure" w/CFR) are routes that sometimes use the 75 minute ETOPS. All o
28 Post contains images BA787 : Touche Nice thought though
29 EDICHC : Spot on there! Correct me if I'm wrong but a 752 fuelled up for ABZ-IAH not be severly weight resticted? Runway at ABZ isn't exactly the longest.
30 Gkirk : Should be fine in Privatair config. Not sure if a BBJ or ACJ could do it though?
31 EDICHC : Quite agree there, but I was referring to the highly unlikely suggestion of an ETOPS 752 in standard config.
32 Viscount724 : Regardless of passenger load, I doubt a BBJ or ACJ would be able to operate nonstop to IAH (4017 naut. mi.) off ABZ's current 6000 ft. runway. They a
33 Gkirk : No chance.A normal 757 just doesnt have the range. A 757 in exec config however is a much better performer than an ACJ or a BBJ anyway thanks to the
34 ARGinLON : WHat is is the range of an all business class configured PrivateAir? And of a 73G all business class (say 48 seats)?
35 Post contains links Chugach : Depending on the winds, CO can sometimes benefit by routing via the SEA or YVR VFR checkpoints, and then heading out over the Gulf of Alaska directly
36 Cubsrule : But even SEA-ANC direct wouldn't require ETOPS. Do they really ever go so far out that they need it?
37 Chugach : It's not necessary, but CO still uses it on some of their flights. Compare CO flights vs. AS flights on that route as an example. AS always has to hu
38 Cubsrule : Obviously, I'm not expert in weather in the northern Pacific, but a direct track YZT-ANC wouldn't seem to require ETOPS. Not doubting you, but they m
39 Post contains images Joost : Under current regulations, it would indeed only be able to work as a 7th freedom and there are currently no flights between Europe and the US working
40 Post contains images BA787 : An amazing feeling when on one . Ive said it before, the 757 hjas so many charectaristics that make me believe it was built with a huge passion. It d
41 EI A330-200 : This is actually incorrect. I believe that TN operates LAX-CDG-LAX as 7th Freedom. Also, NZ operates LAX-LHR-LAX. Also, AI operates FRA-US flights, a
42 Viscount724 : Those are all 5th freedom, not 7th freedom services, except for TN LAX-CDG-LAX which I believe is considered 3rd/4th freedom since French Polynesia i
43 Artsyman : What part of that route requires ETOPS 75? It's pretty much all over land, and between airports in BC and AK, there should be no need for ETOPS **** I
44 Post contains links Chugach : Well, on that note, CO 1584 will be making a pit stop at PDX this evening enroute to ANC. First fuel stop of the season, I believe. http://flightawar
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