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Dropped Or Reduced AF Long Haul Destinations  
User currently offlineAirlittoralguy From France, joined Nov 2005, 235 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3642 times:

Hi everyone :

I'd like to know what cities air france has left (longhaul speaking) or has reduced it's frequency to :

Those I can think of :

Nagoya
Cincinnati
Dallas Fort Worth
Nairobi

Reduced frequencies

Chicago ORD second daily
Miami MIA second daily


Let me know if there are others, thank you in advance.


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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3630 times:

AF has over the years closed many destinations, yet some of the more recent reductions include:

Manila, taken over by KLM
Jakarta, taken over by KLM
San Fransisco, 3 additional frequencies no longer operated
Montevideo, closed altogether
Luanda, down from 2 to 1 weekly
Noumea, closed in favor of a code share agreement

Of course, if one takes the once immense UTA network, which AF inherited, into account, the list is much, much longer.

[Edited 2007-05-05 12:42:52]

User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1872 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3582 times:

another recent reduction of frequency I'm thinking is CAN : when the route was launched, I think the route was serves almost twice daily (1 AF and 1 china southern, both code-shared between the 2 airlines). Now, CAN is served 5 times weekly (3 AF, 2 china southern)

dropped : Tashkent and Koweit city, both served shortly by the Dedicate service


User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4070 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3450 times:

Manaus, Brazil, served twice a week in the 70s/80s with 747s Paris-Cayenne-Manaus-Lima.


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User currently offlineKL577 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2006, 780 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3421 times:

Quoting Goldorak (Reply 2):
dropped : Tashkent and Koweit city, both served shortly by the Dedicate service

Wasn't there dedicated service to an oil center somewhere in Iran? Or was this only planned?

Kharthoum was served by AF in the early nineties.


User currently offlineKL577 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2006, 780 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3409 times:

And maybe Moroni, Comoros and Dzaoudzi, Mayotte were served by AF at some point?

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3394 times:

Doha was also dropped recently, just 1 season after it was oppened.

KHI, CPT, MPM, AUH and SHJ were dropped in the late 90s.
SEZ was dropped in favour of a codesgare with Air Seychelles.
PAP, UIO and LIM were dropped in the realy 90s, as well as KRT, ADE, KGL, BJM, SAH, HAH, .


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7812 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3294 times:

Wasnt DFW supposed to come back or something?


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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3281 times:

Quoting KL577 (Reply 4):
Wasn't there dedicated service to an oil center somewhere in Iran? Or was this only planned?

Kish Island was planned to be served by A319ER "Dedicate" but traffic rights were not granted by the Iranian authorities.

Quoting KL577 (Reply 5):
And maybe Moroni, Comoros and Dzaoudzi, Mayotte were served by AF at some point?

Moroni (HAH) was.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 7):
Wasnt DFW supposed to come back or something?

DFW is planned to be re-opened soon.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11979 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3260 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 7):
Wasnt DFW supposed to come back or something?

Probably not.

When AF left DFW, it was mostly due to the collapse of SN, and AF's desperate need for widebody capacity to backfill the lost SN capacity on African routes. Or, at least, that was the public statement given. At that point, at least initially, there probably was a hope of eventually restarting the flight, perhaps with an A330, in a few years time. But then, of course, 9/11 happened, dramatically reducing the chance of an AF DFW flight succeeding. And then, of course, the real nail in the coffin of any hope of getting AF back: once Delta began reducing the DFW hub to 80% RJs in 2003, and then shut it completely in 2005, it cut off all of the feed that AF would presumably have counted on to fill a prospective CDG-DFW flight in the future. Without the Delta feed, I don't see AF coming back to DFW for at least a decade, if that. The market for DFW-Europe is quite well served with AA 2x LGW, and 1x FRA, CDG and ZRH, BA 1x LGW and LH 1x FRA. As the Metroplex continues to grow and gain prominence on the world stage -- which is and will continue to happen -- there will no doubt be increased demand for flights to Europe. Whether that will lead to a return by AF, or just more AA flights -- only time will tell.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 6093 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3232 times:

They also dropped Doha and never got to start Atyrau in Kazakhstan, though they announced plans for it twice.

User currently offlineVincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3007 times:

Also TPE under Air France Asie in early 90s, they started with 744, later A340, stopped altogether in the end. The ONLY difference in livery was, the 3rd line on the tail was also blue, instead of original red. ONE OF THE UGLIEST AIRLINE LIVERIES I'VE EVER SEEN.

User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2976 times:

Port Au Prince was served 1x weekly with the 743 up until 1997,when AF pulled out due to a myriad of events including the deterioating political and economic situation, not to mention Renaud Muselier being kidnapped and the station manager being murdered.

As many of you probably know it is served 3x weekly, on the routing MIA-PAP-FDF-PTP-CAY  bouncy 



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2946 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 1):
Of course, if one takes the once immense UTA network, which AF inherited, into account, the list is much, much longer.

If you have the time, I would be curious to see just how much of UTA remains in the current AF network...so would a list of discontinued UTA-Only stations be a possibility?
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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2863 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 6):
PAP, UIO and LIM were dropped in the realy 90s,

The Paris non-stops are gone, but Air France has served Port Au Prince for over more than 25 years now, non-stop from Miami. Today, it is ran by an A320, routing MIA-PAP-PTP-FDF-CAY (Air France's own French Caribbean island hopper). Air France was flying MIA-PAP for about 8-10 years before they started MIA-CDG.

[Edited 2007-05-06 11:21:23]


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User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2757 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 13):
If you have the time, I would be curious to see just how much of UTA remains in the current AF network...so would a list of discontinued UTA-Only stations be a possibility?

Well have a 1989 UTA timetable and based on that, the following are no longer served by AF

Sydney
Noumea
Auckland
Kuala Lumpur
Jakarta
Windhoek
Lusaka
Lilongwe
Gaborone
Freetown
Maputo
Nouadhibou
Muscat
Colombo


User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1883 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

Kuwait was also dropped.


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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2659 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 13):
If you have the time, I would be curious to see just how much of UTA remains in the current AF network...so would a list of discontinued UTA-Only stations be a possibility?

UTA destinations still operated by AF :

PPT
SIN
NKC
CKY
BKO
ABJ
LFW
COO
LOS
OUA
NIM
NDJ
BGF
DLA
BZV
FIH
LBV
LAD
JNB

UTA destinations dropped by AF :

MCT
BAH
CMB
KUL
CGK
DPS
SYD
MEL
NOU
AKL
MPM (Maputo)
HRE (Harare)
LUN (Lusaka)
GBE (Gaborone)
WDH (Windhoek)
LLW (Lilongwe)
AJY (Agades)
TIP (Tripoli)
FNA (Freetown)


User currently offlineCptGirmayTesfa From Peru, joined Oct 2003, 406 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2548 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 6):
Doha was also dropped recently, just 1 season after it was oppened.

They served Doha before also, up to somewhere in the 90s.

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 6):
PAP, UIO and LIM were dropped in the realy 90s, as well as KRT, ADE, KGL, BJM, SAH, HAH, .

Add ADD, JRO and DAR to that list


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2537 times:

Quoting CptGirmayTesfa (Reply 18):
Add ADD, JRO and DAR to that list

Correct. I forgot JRO & DAR. But AF nerver served ADD.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8513 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2486 times:
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Too bad Air France doesn't fly to Australia, this is an area really lacking for European airlines. With New Caledonia and Tahiti, AF would seem like a natural to fly to Aussie, after allthis is an airline which does fly to Tahiti via LAX; about as long as CDG-Asia-Sydney.

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 6093 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2439 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 16):
Kuwait was also dropped.

Kuwait continues to be served by Air France Cargo.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 20):
Too bad Air France doesn't fly to Australia, this is an area really lacking for European airlines.

Funny fact for a country that once only promoted immigration to caucasians, not just European airlines but also North American carriers.


User currently offlineMindscape From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2419 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 20):
Too bad Air France doesn't fly to Australia, this is an area really lacking for European airlines. With New Caledonia and Tahiti, AF would seem like a natural to fly to Aussie, after allthis is an airline which does fly to Tahiti via LAX; about as long as CDG-Asia-Sydney.

Well, they do fly there, not with their own metal but with QF codeshare via SIN and via HKG (started May 1st). Passengers will fly on AF metal between CDG-SIN/HKG leg and on QF metal to Australian cities: ex-SIN to ADL/BNE/MEL/PER/SYD, ex-HKG BNE/MEL/SYD. IMHO from passenger's point of view, this does not change too much from a one stop trip except they have to clear their cabin belongings due to the change of apparel. For AF and QF, this turns to be much more profitable.


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3474 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
Today, it is ran by an A320, routing MIA-PAP-PTP-FDF-CAY (Air France's own French Caribbean island hopper). Air France was flying MIA-PAP for about 8-10 years before they started MIA-CDG.

I know this has probably been discussed, but i didn't think AF could carry local pax between MIA-PAP. They obviously had to be if MIA-PAP existed longer before CDG-MIA.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2355 times:

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 23):

I know this has probably been discussed, but i didn't think AF could carry local pax between MIA-PAP. They obviously had to be if MIA-PAP existed longer before CDG-MIA.

Yes, AF has local traffic rights on MIA-PAP. That is the reason they fly MIA-PAP, if not it would be MIA-PTP-FDF-CAY. The flight exists to give the French territories a direct connection to the mainland US. However, traffic between the region and the US is still small, so the Port Au Prince stop allows the flight to easily fill.



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25 AF086 : If I'm not mistaken Recife used to be served by Air France as well.
26 Trintocan : AF served POS in the past too. I flew with them once between POS and GEO in 1978 on the Airbus A300 at a time when BW was on strike. AF had a long his
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