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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3033 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8889 times:

I flew back home from San Francisco yesterday via Toronto on Air Canada and arrived at about 12noon... As our 767-300 turned off runway 09L, a further Air Canada 767 landed immediately after us and another A330 arrived about 7 mins later as we was pulling into the gate.

Also I counted a further 6 Air Canada aircraft (1x A330, 2x A340 and 3x 767) at gates as I walked through terminal 3 to immigrations.

I appreciate London is Air Canada's busiest international route outside of the USA or Canada, but how many flights to they exactly send to London? Are they one of the biggest international carriers flying into LHR?

In baggage reclaim at LHR I noticed LHR arrivals from places like Edmonton and Willipeg and had never heard of these destinations until I checked them out on a map!

Would it be possible to divert one or two of these flights way from LHR and maybe fly to other cities in the UK like BHX, MAN, NCL or GLA? The 767-200 would be ideal! Other carriers like Zoom, Thomas Cook, Air Transat and FlyGlobeSpan all seem to be very successful on their Toronto flights from regional UK airports.

BTW - I flew back on a 767-300 with the XM interior and was great!

[Edited 2007-05-05 21:20:37]

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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24938 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8861 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):

Would it be possible to divert one or two of these flights way from LHR and maybe fly to other cities in the UK like BHX, MAN, NCL or GLA? The 767-200 would be ideal!

MAN-YYZ currently operates a daily 767 summer only.
GLA-YYZ has been dropped due to poor yields, thanks to loads of competion from the likes of Air Transat and TCX.
BHX and NCL wouldn't be able to sustain a daily service to YYZ, perhaps 4 weekly, although these cities are currently served by TCX and GSM to YYZ and YHM (wherever that is  duck  Wink during the summer



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User currently offlineFeroze From India, joined Dec 2004, 794 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8844 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Willipeg

It's Winnipeg!


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9661 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8828 times:

AC is pretty huge in LHR. They have somewhere around 15 departures, which I believe makes them number three on transatlantic flights from LHR which puts them behind only BA and AA.


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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8124 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8773 times:

I hope someone can do the research - I'm far too lazy. But it is interesting, I flew to LA on British Airways t'other day and as usual was amazed how many maple leaf tails there are at LHR (and man I love their new blue colours). I think YYZ gets four a day, YUL gets one or two (I think two), YVR gets two, and there's a scattering of one-a-day destinations like Ottowa (YOW's only trans-Atlantic service on AC), Calgary, Edmonton et al. I know Winnipeg doesn't get any nonstop action on AC. Which reminds me...

Quoting Feroze (Reply 2):
It's Winnipeg!

It's Winterpeg!



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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8761 times:

Air Canada will operate the following flights from London/Heathrow this summer:

Toronto - YYZ
AC869 - EQV
AC863 - 763
AC857 - EQV
AC849 - 333
AC859 - 763

Vancouver - YVR
AC855 - 333
AC897 - 333

Calgary - YYC
AC851 - 77W
AC853 - 763

Ottawa - YOW
AC889 - 763

Montreal - YUL
AC867 - 763
AC865 - 763

Halifax - YHZ
AC861 - 763

St. Johns - YYT
AC831 - 319

Edmonton - YEG
AC889 - 763

Rob!   

[Edited 2007-05-05 21:50:53]

User currently offlineJm017 From Jamaica, joined Jun 2002, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8742 times:

They fly from Winnipeg too? Wow. I didn't know that.

They have flights from the following cities (I hope I get them all):

Toronto
Montreal
Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton (I think this is new)
Halifax
St. John's (and not St. John)

and now Winnipeg too.

Yeah, that's good coverage. No wonder you spotted nine AC aircraft at LHR.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8391 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8685 times:
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You can bet Air Canada has atleast one daily flight to most major cities in Canada. To Toronto they have four since it is the most important city. Given the historic links of the Canadian Dominion with the UK this is normal. The same situation exosts with all the Anglo countries, the USA, Australia, New Zealand and Canada.

User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8629 times:

Quoting Jm017 (Reply 6):
They fly from Winnipeg too? Wow. I didn't know that

That's cuz they don't. Winnipeg which used to fly under the flight numbers 858/859 hasn't operated for years, and was restricted to seasonal service.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Would it be possible to divert one or two of these flights way from LHR and maybe fly to other cities in the UK like BHX, MAN, NCL or GLA?

GLA - dropped last year after 50 years of service (PIK/GLA).

BHX - previously operated IIRC for a 2 year period and dropped

MAN -down to very limited seasonal service 01Jul - 16Sep. Wouldn't be surprised to see it follow the lead of GLA following this summer.

At it's peak, LHR as also had onward service to the following destinations:
BOM/SIN
DUS
NCE
DEL



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8608 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 5):
AC863 - 763

Actually AC863 operates with a combination of 762/763 equipment, and is a seasonal additional sold as all "Y".



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User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8592 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 8):
That's cuz they don't. Winnipeg which used to fly under the flight numbers 858/859 hasn't operated for years, and was restricted to seasonal service.

And even then, during the summer 1991 season as an example, AC858/859 operated YWG-LHR/LHR-YWG non-stops on Sundays only, effective from 16 June through 8 September, with 767 (-200ER) equipment.


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8124 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8547 times:

Quoting Jm017 (Reply 6):
They fly from Winnipeg too? Wow. I didn't know that.

Oh man, I already said they DON'T fly to Winnipeg, they had a go in the 70s with a weekly 747 and in the 90s with a weekly 767. Neither did the trick.

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 8):
At it's peak, LHR as also had onward service to the following destinations: BOM/SIN, DUS, NCE, DEL

Had completely forgotton about these extra sectors (with full fifth-freedom rights IFRC). Since I couldn't be arsed to hunt down the schedules for LHR earlier, instead I shall make this my contribution to the thread:

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Photo © Tim Rees
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Photo © Frank Schaefer


(The caption on the 747 reads, "Leaving DUS for LHR on this clear winter day.")



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8517 times:

Bit of trivia. Flight **858** has made the rounds.

As mentioned above, 858 operated YWG/LHR.

On what we termed the "Global Flight", 858 was originally the flight number for YYZ/LHR/BOM/SIN, but because of numerology superstition in the Chinese culture (IIRC a 5 between two 8's means luck, bad luck, luck...or something to that effect), the flight number was changed to 888. Maybe one of our esteemed Asian colleagues can conifrm this tale.

Presently 858 is the last daily YYZ/LHR flight.

I can't be "arsed" to track down the schedules either, but IIRC -

LHR/BOM/SIN operated 4 times weekly.

LHR/DUS was a daily extension of 856 (YYZ) or 866 (YMX)

NCE was an extension of 866 (YMX) schedule varied with season

DEL operated briefly through the slower summer season replacing the A340 non-stop. Don't recall the flight number.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineJM017 From Jamaica, joined Jun 2002, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8432 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 11):
Oh man, I already said they DON'T fly to Winnipeg, they had a go in the 70s with a weekly 747 and in the 90s with a weekly 767. Neither did the trick.

Sorry. I guess i missed your comment.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25473 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8360 times:

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 10):
Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 8):
That's cuz they don't. Winnipeg which used to fly under the flight numbers 858/859 hasn't operated for years, and was restricted to seasonal service.

And even then, during the summer 1991 season as an example, AC858/859 operated YWG-LHR/LHR-YWG non-stops on Sundays only, effective from 16 June through 8 September, with 767 (-200ER) equipment.

AC also used the DC-8-63 YWG-LHR in the 1970s. I remember a YVR-YWG-LHR flight on a DC-8-63 around 1973.


User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8344 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 8):
At it's peak, LHR as also had onward service to the following destinations:

Air Canada onward service from LHR in their 28 April (Summer) 1985 timetable:

AC858 YYZ-LHR-BOM-SIN 3, 5, 6 L15
AC856 YYZ-LHR-DUS X 1, 2 747/L10
AC866 YYZ-LHR-DUS 1,2 747/L15
AC852 YVR-YEG-LHR-DUS 4 L15

Also appearing in the same timetable is a full-spread ad promoting Air Canada's onward services within Europe titled "The best airline in Europe isn't European at all. It's Air Canada." One section of the ad promises, "We'll fly you in style between these European cities."

Paris-Geneva-Paris
Paris-Munich-Paris
Paris-Zurich-Paris
Frankfurt-Zurich-Frankfurt
London-Dusseldorf-London


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8322 times:

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 15):
AC858 YYZ-LHR-BOM-SIN 3, 5, 6 L15

Frequency went to 4 a week with the 74M.

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 15):
AC852 YVR-YEG-LHR-DUS 4 L15

Forgot about that one. There were actually 2 flights LHR/DUS/LHR on Thursdays.

Paris-Geneva-Paris (Tag end of AC870)
Paris-Munich-Paris (Tag end of AC880)
Paris-Zurich-Paris (Don't recall this one, as ZRH was a stand-alone flight AC878 for years)
Frankfurt-Zurich-Frankfurt (As above...were these operated during the offpeak winter period??)
London-Dusseldorf-London (Tag ends of AC856/866/852)

Thanks for the memories.

Remember vividly there was an "incident" with a famed super-model on a CDG/MUC flight on the L15.
.
  

[Edited 2007-05-06 01:29:02]


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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3033 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8196 times:

I definately saw a Wollipeg flight on the arrivals board yesterday at LHR in the baggage reclaims area...

Unless it is like US Airways that use the same flight on some of their flights to Europe from PHL and share the same code to onwards destinations like Las Vegas but use another aircraft. US does this on their PHL-LGW flight.


User currently offlineAircanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day ago) and read 8082 times:

LHR is one of my favourite airport to hangout. I've been to LHR at least 11 times during my life time  Smile. Its nice to see AC have huge operations out there  Smile

User currently offlineBOE773 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day ago) and read 8050 times:

Air Canada's flight concentration on one airport like LHR leaves them vulnerable to unforseen circumstances such as a terrorist strike, fuel shortage or labor dispute etc. Having one's eggs in one basket has it's advantages as well as disadvantages at times.

User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1036 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day ago) and read 8050 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 5):

Thanks for this wealth of information, B742. Are all of these flights operated daily?


User currently offlineDavidYYC From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 23 hours ago) and read 8007 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 5):



Quoting B742 (Reply 5):
Calgary - YYC
AC851 - 77W
AC853 - 763

Thats intereseting, the 777 is on the YYC-LHR route this summer........how come it does not appear on any other UK route this summer?


User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 23 hours ago) and read 7973 times:

Quoting BOE773 (Reply 19):
Air Canada's flight concentration on one airport like LHR leaves them vulnerable to unforseen circumstances such as a terrorist strike, fuel shortage or labor dispute etc. Having one's eggs in one basket has it's advantages as well as disadvantages at times.

Yes, you're right. They should also scale back operations in Toronto and Vancouver for the same reason. In fact, they should fly no more than one flight a day from any airport to any other point. That would spread the risk of being an airline evenly.


User currently offlineDH8PU From Canada, joined Apr 2007, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 7927 times:

Quoting BOE773 (Reply 19):



Quoting BOE773 (Reply 19):
Air Canada's flight concentration on one airport like LHR leaves them vulnerable to unforseen circumstances such as a terrorist strike, fuel shortage or labor dispute etc. Having one's eggs in one basket has it's advantages as well as disadvantages at times.

If the demand is there why not take advantage of it? If AC can fill 4 widebodies a day from YYZ to LHR why not? Should something unforeseen happen to the LHR market I am sure that AC will find a way to redirect all of its metal to other destinations.



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User currently offlineBOE773 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 7910 times:

Quoting Sebring (Reply 22):

They should also scale back operations in Toronto and Vancouver for the same reason.

YYZ and YVR are not vulnerable to the disruptions that LHR would be.
A terrorist strike is a prime example  duck 


25 VC10DC10 : What's your point? That AC should shut down its biggest overseas destination and fly to regional airports in the UK that can't possibly make the same
26 Lostturttle : I have booked my in laws on this flight for the last three or four summers, it is much more convenient then flying to LHR and then finding a connecti
27 MrPorter : I would like to see the trans-atlantic A-319 flight. I didn't know the A319 was certified for ETOPS. I imagine AC is doing YYT LHR service so they can
28 Yegmaster : I'll be on AC898, YEG-LHR on Tuesday. (Then on to AMS). I'm curious to find out what this is going to be like. Cheers.
29 Tiger119 : - I didn't think a 319 had the range for a YYT to LHR flight? David
30 Post contains images AirCanada014 : St. Johns - YYT AC831 - 319 - I didn't think a 319 had the range for a YYT to LHR flight?[/quote] Yes A319 have the range to do YYT - LHR.. It's alrea
31 BOE773 : Air Canada should be building up their FRA and CDG operations at a faster pace. I bet that LHR is the most expensive European airport that they opera
32 Sebring : At LHR, AC pasengers make many connections, not just to other Star carriers but to a lot of Middle Eastern carriers like QR and EK. There is a large
33 BOE773 : LHR is a very expensive airport, fuel wise to fly into. Those stacks are the killer.
34 Post contains images Jacobin777 : When will the B777's come online? I presume some of the B777's will be on the YYZ-LHR runs?
35 JAGflyer : There is no flight from Willipeg or Wollipeg. It's WINNIPEG and thats what it said on the arrivals board.
36 Post contains images BMIFlyer : They already are, as far as i'm aware Lee
37 Post contains links and images BMIFlyer : Here we are, taken at LHR View Large View MediumPhoto © A J Best Lee
38 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...oh...didn't even know they were on the LHR runs already, very nice... thanks for the updates..
39 A388 : Are you sure about this flight being operated with the 77W? I thaught the AC 77W would be flying YYZ-LHR only this summer until more 77W's will be de
40 FLYACYYZ : It's only a matter of time (and available aircraft) that we see YOW-FRA or YOW-YHZ-FRA. There is sufficient onwards Star traffic, that this flight wo
41 Post contains images RP TPA : Any chance of AC starting service from LHR to Wippineg??
42 FLYACYYZ : Don't think YWG has enough sustained growth to make a year round service viable. At best, could see seasonal summer service, but something tells me t
43 BOE773 : Quebec has a large passenger catchment pool for French bound travellers. On another note, we are approaching summer strike prone season for LHR and Ai
44 SixtySeven : i guess they should shut down yyz. it's the second most expensive airport in the WORLD. LHR is bread and butter. FRA is strong. CDG makes no sense as
45 BOE773 : I would put a big question mark on that one. When one factors in the burnt fuel and wasted time from holding in stacks in order to be sequenced in fo
46 Vincewy : Given the slot constraint at LHR, is (are) there any more flights AC can add to LHR? Has AC explored the possibilities of A380/748i in the future?
47 JoePatroni : Yikes... Willipeg? Be careful on here saying such things. Us Canadians could could get a little heated with comments like that. Those are some pretty
48 David_itl : Can we infer from your comments that holding only occurs at LHR and at no other airport in the world? The most aircraft I've heard at MAN in the hold
49 BOE773 : No. LHR beats all other airports for holding time in stacks by a long shot.
50 Post contains links Gilesdavies : I was on the 777 flying LHR-YYZ-YVR on the 21st April... It was my first 777 flight and was great... See my trip report : http://www.airliners.net/di
51 Multimark : Perhaps it escaped you that London was the subject of terrorists attacks in 2005? It didn't appear to deter Canadians from travelling there. As to yo
52 Post contains images Cba : Forgot about VS there? I'm sure they have many more LHR daily departures than AA or AC. Saw that plane when I flew into LHR back on 11 April, an awes
53 Viscount724 : VS currently has 19 daily departures from LHR but only 12 are transatlantic, so they're behind BA/AA/AC if you're only considering transatlantic. VS
54 VC10DC10 : Fine, so LHR is the world's most expensive airport. I don't think you're right, but suppose you are. Still, apparently enough premium passengers and
55 CayMan : I've had to re-read that post several times to be sure I am actually understanding it. I hope you are not sitting in some pie in the sky glass Canadi
56 BOE773 : God forbid that it should happen at any airport on the planet, but LHR is much more of a prime target for some madman or crazy gang of bandits to cre
57 SB : Looks like your question was ignored ... YHM is a loose suburb of Toronto, Luton/Stansted style. Guess they fly there to avoid the landing costs at Y
58 Post contains links AeroWesty : So when the crazy gang of bandits hit Rome and Vienna airports in 1985, they were merely lost? http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...mber/27/newsid_
59 BOE773 : Over a period of one year, multiply the number of AC inbound flts by the amount of holding time in stacks to get an idea of the amount of fuel and ti
60 AeroWesty : Good, put some numbers to it. Show us the money. All you've given so far is conjecture. Other airports have holding times during peak hours as well.
61 Theginge : There are holding delays a lot of the time at LHR but there are also times when there is no holding delay so you can't infer that Heathrow is more exp
62 DiscoverCSG : It also leaves them vulnerable to profitability, apparently.
63 Yow : AC operates this flight to/from LHR late at night when there aren't any slot constraints...and practically no connecting opportunities to boot. LUX i
64 CayMan : Nice conjecture and pure speculative opinion on your part. I did not notice "PhD in Intl Threat Analysis" as part of your profile but we on a.net are
65 Yyz717 : I think that the appropriate comment is that Canada is not a "primary" target (yet) for terrorism. That does not mean we are immune to terrorism. Cana
66 LH423 : Well, considering in all my experiences I've never been in a holding pattern for more than 10 minutes (once there was a 15 minute hold but that was b
67 CayMan : You cannot say that blowing up 1 aircraft and attempting to blow up another, both flights origined in canada, and in which hundreds of canadian citiz
68 BOE773 : That crazy shoe bomber slipped thru your cracks at LHR. and created a real stir.
69 Post contains images AeroWesty : Try CDG. Next?
70 Yyz717 : Yes I can, and I do. The target was Indian nationals (whether of Indian or Canadian other citizenship) on an Indian airliner, perpetrated by other In
71 YULWinterSkies : Then, the same would apply, but in worse, to BA, VS and BD. You're exaggerating here. They are big at LHR only because the profit they can make dwarf
72 Steve7E7 : Don't waste your breath trying to reason with him. BOE773 detests anything British, even to the point of changing the shoe bombers departure point to
73 CayMan : I am about as far from politically correct as you will find Neil, I don't see this one in those terms. To correct you, with respect, there were 280 C
74 AirCanada014 : There's no chance of AC ordering any of those two a/c as far as I know they will be sticking with twin engines instead of quads since they are gettin
75 Bongodog1964 : The "summer strike season" at LHR normally consists of a staff walkout at either BA or a BA supplier (e.g. Gate Gourmet) Even BA might manage to avoi
76 AirCanada014 : Is there any high demands for day tripper using B777-300ER on AC? I wonder if they will use their 5th freedom rights yet?
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