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First "New" TZ DC-10 Picture  
User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10574 times:

This is the first picture of N701TZ (ex. N226NW) in the data base. As expected it is still in an hybrid color scheme of its former operator and TZ titles. According to Airlinerlist.com, it was bought on January 25th, 2007 and was originally delivered as HB-IHL to Swissair back in March 1980.


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User currently offlineN53614 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 251 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10546 times:

I am glad ATA picked these birds up. It was a shame (especially for us SFO spotters) when Northwest pulled the -10 in favor of the A330...

These birds are going to be used for AMC charters, no?



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User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1590 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10511 times:

If they were going to use a "hybrid" scheme, they could have done a little nicer job painting over the compass on the front of the plane.


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User currently offlineSokol From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 284 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10397 times:

So are they gonna paint it with ATA scheme or they with keep it like this ?
If they keep it like that doesn't look good, Does any body know any thing about it ?


User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3966 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10294 times:

I do hope they repaint it... doesn't look good at the moment!

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9956 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10207 times:

How misleading the title of this thread is. I was expecting to see a DC-10 in full TZ colors!  Sad

A388


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8171 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10184 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 5):
How misleading the title of this thread is. I was expecting to see a DC-10 in full TZ colors!

I know! It's just a picture of a NW DC10! What a waste of time.

To add some satisfaction for those who click to read this grossly mis-named thread:

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User currently offlineIAHcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3462 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9886 times:
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Quoting Vasu (Reply 4):
I do hope they repaint it...

That is possibly why it's at SAT.....  crossfingers 



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9956 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9731 times:

I have never seen the DC-10's operated by TZ which I really wanted to see, especially in the airline's old livery as linked by Cedarjet (thanks by the way  Smile)

It would be very nice if TZ would paint these ex-NW DC-10's in the old livery of TZ, wow.... Big grin

TZ will use these DC-10's on military flights only, is that correct? Or will they also use it on charter flights to holiday destinations? It would be so cool to see the TZ DC-10 here in CUR. I guess I can only dream on.....

Talking about the Caribbean, has TZ abandoned the charter market to the Caribbean? They used to have more charter flights to the Caribbean. I think TZ occasionally can still be seen in SXM but what about the other Caribbean destinations?

Regards,

A388


User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1459 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9674 times:

Quoting N53614 (Reply 1):
These birds are going to be used for AMC charters, no?

Yes, primarily for AMC charters, but also for civil charters and an ocassional sched flight can't ruled out completely.

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 2):
If they were going to use a "hybrid" scheme, they could have done a little nicer job painting over the compass on the front of the plane.

You can thank NW for that. All they did before it left MSP for SAT was roller brush on some gray paint over the compass and titles. It is so poorly done, that every time it flys, more of it peels off. This will be corrected later this month when it goes in for a more permanent hybrid paint job.

Quoting Sokol (Reply 3):
So are they gonna paint it with ATA scheme or they with keep it like this ?
If they keep it like that doesn't look good, Does any body know any thing about it ?



Quoting Sokol (Reply 3):
I do hope they repaint it... doesn't look good at the moment!

It will get a more permanent hybrid scheme later this month, but will not be in full TZ colors. What is seen now is only temporary.

Quoting IAHcsr (Reply 7):
That is possibly why it's at SAT..... crossfingers

No, it flew back to SAT from IND to correct some problems left over from the heavy check.

Quoting A388 (Reply 8):
TZ will use these DC-10's on military flights only, is that correct? Or will they also use it on charter flights to holiday destinations? It would be so cool to see the TZ DC-10 here in CUR. I guess I can only dream on.....

They will be used primarily on AMC charters, but also on civil charters as well.

Quoting A388 (Reply 8):
Talking about the Caribbean, has TZ abandoned the charter market to the Caribbean? They used to have more charter flights to the Caribbean. I think TZ occasionally can still be seen in SXM but what about the other Caribbean destinations?

Not necessarily. ATA is aggressively going after any longer-term charter programs. Short term and ad-hoc is just too expensive to manage and is very limited.



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User currently offlineN801DM From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 103 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9583 times:

Were the proving runs completed for addition of the DC-10 to the ops spec?

Best,

N801DM


User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9443 times:

boy, that is truly disgusting. < covers eyes >

The faded NWA livery makes the thing look like it's going straight for the scrap yard.


C'mon ATA.. at least paint some type of line on that fuselage or something on that tail. Title sure fooled me.


User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1459 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9399 times:

Quoting N801DM (Reply 10):
Were the proving runs completed for addition of the DC-10 to the ops spec?

Best,

N801DM

Nope, not yet started due to delays in the aircraft being operationally ready.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 11):
boy, that is truly disgusting. < covers eyes >

The faded NWA livery makes the thing look like it's going straight for the scrap yard.


C'mon ATA.. at least paint some type of line on that fuselage or something on that tail. Title sure fooled me.

Read Reply 9. There will be significant changes by June, just wait. Its not an easy task to paint a widebody, there are only so many places in the country, availability is tight, and its easily over $100K per aircraft just for a basic scheme.



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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9361 times:

A simple cheatline to go with that sticker shoudln't cost that much TZ will it?

Good to hear it's getting a "more permanent hybrid scheme"  bigthumbsup  that should be an interesting photographic subject. Thanks for the info, you rock man.


User currently offlineEyes2thesky From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9333 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 6):


Looking closely, the DC10 in the right picture at LGW is a -40, the one in the left picture is a -10.

So, including the most recent DC10-30 ex NW, TZ will in fact have operated all variants of the DC10 save the -15.

There's some trivia.


User currently offlineOGGFBORefueler From United States of America, joined May 2007, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9096 times:

Give TZ some time to get about 300 pounds of paint on this boid. I'm sure it'll look great. Besides would be nice to see it in Maui during summer. Big grin

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Keone



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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8901 times:
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OK. Then... How many civilian operators rest in the world of the DC-10?

At my mind comes:

1. Biman Bangladesh
2. ATA
3. Omni Air International
4. World Airways
5. American Trans Air

Any one else?

Gerard



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User currently offlineScottieprecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1363 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8740 times:

TZ has another DC-10 at SAT in the old NW scheme, but without titles. I was surprised to see that TZ even bothered to put titles on this bird... I agree, it looks bad.

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 9):
No, it flew back to SAT from IND to correct some problems left over from the heavy check.

Do you know when 701 will be leaving SAT?

-Mike


User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8702 times:

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 16):
At my mind comes:

1. Biman Bangladesh
2. ATA
3. Omni Air International
4. World Airways
5. American Trans Air

Any one else?

Isn't there anything wrong with your list ??????

American Trans Air has become ATA Airlines..... Otherwise your list is correct on the passenger operators side.

These are the cargo ops:

Aeroflot
Arrow Air
Avient
Cargoitalia
Centurion Air Cargo
Cielos Airlines
DAS Air Cargo
FedEx
Gemini Air Cargo
Master Top Airlines
Varig Logistica
World Airways


User currently offlineTIA From Albania, joined Mar 2006, 524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8669 times:

Does anyone know what the seating configuration is like?

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 16):
At my mind comes:

1. Biman Bangladesh
2. ATA
3. Omni Air International
4. World Airways
5. American Trans Air

2 and 5 are the same.


User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8448 times:

Quoting TIA (Reply 19):
Does anyone know what the seating configuration is like?

Wouldn't surprise me to learn that it is around 350Y in a 3-4-3 config, unless they have removed the middle galley, thus pushing the number to around 380Y. Somehow  crowded ...


User currently offlineGlobalATL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8409 times:

So....how old are these planes?

User currently offlineCactus742 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8164 times:

Quoting GlobalATL (Reply 21):
So....how old are these planes?



Quoting OceansWorld (Thread starter):
According to Airlinerlist.com, it was bought on January 25th, 2007 and was originally delivered as HB-IHL to Swissair back in March 1980.



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User currently offlineVanguard737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 684 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8165 times:

Very misleading thread title

 Sad



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User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1294 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8127 times:

Well if this one was delivered in 80 to Swissair initially then that would now be 27 years  Wink

Leo



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25 OceansWorld : N702TZ 46580/183 delivered new to Swissair 01/1975 - WFU & stored by NW 09/2006 with 131045 flying hours accumulated and 28861 landings. N224NW 46581
26 DfwRevolution : The threat title reads: First TZ DC-10 picture. Is this not a picture of ATA's first DC-10?
27 Cactus742 : No, it is not. See reply 6 which includes photos of ATA DC-10s dating back to 1983. This is the first photo of TZ's newly acquired DC-10s but as that
28 Post contains images DfwRevolution : You know what Cactus...
29 Post contains links OceansWorld : Yes, but I could have written something like : "First TZ DC-10-30 picture" - or - "Latest ATA DC-10 picture", or even: "Latest TZ DC-10 in hybrid C/S
30 DTW757 : I don't blame Northwest at all. They sold the plane and wanted to take their name off of it in the most inexpensive way possible. It is up to the new
31 Post contains images Cactus742 : Sorry if that was a little harsh. I'm a law student and it shines through a bit too much sometimes.
32 AA777223 : Am I the only one that doesn't understand why this aircraft is getting a new "hybrid" livery? This is TZ's plane, and supposedly these DC-10s are goin
33 Post contains images INTENSS : Well you're no lawyer yet..... That is indeed "ATA's" first DC-10...."American Trans Air" did operate it though. So, technically, DfwRevolution was c
34 Wjcandee : They will be painting the thing. Read TZ Tristar's posts above. He knows what he's talking about. I'm frankly surprised that they even bothered with
35 TZTriStar500 : That other aircraft is N234NW which will become N702TZ and enter service around July 1. Yes, it looks bad, but it will get "cleaned up" in a few week
36 Post contains images Nwarooster : What I do not understand is why ATA using N241NW and N242NW for parts, when these two aircraft are the lowest time DC-10s that ATA is buying from Nort
37 TZTriStar500 : While that originally was the plan, it has yet to be decided if these two will be reactivated and use N223NW and N224NW for spares instead. There are
38 Post contains links ChiGB1973 : They have it doing a lot of flying now! http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N701TZ M
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