Travelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3374 posts, RR: 0 Posted (13 years 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1125 times:
I just flew on UA flight #2 today (LAX-JFK), and I was shocked at how few people were on the flight. I counted 24 pax in Coach on the 767-200. I have never experienced a transcon on United that was THAT empty.
Of course, it was great for us passengers. I got an exit row and the in-flight service was superb. (It should be considering the low number of passengers to serve). The flight was on-time too. The bags were delivered in about 5 minutes at JFK.
How ironic that passengers seem to be staying away, and United's service is improving. Or maybe United's service is improving BECAUSE passengers are staying away. I did overhear the flight attendant saying that 7 of the 10 first class seats contained full-fare first class passengers, which I guess is pretty rare to have that many non-upgrades. United could probably make a profit just flying full fare first class passengers and an empty coach cabin!
Anyone have any info on United's load factors? They seem to be really suffering.
Raddog2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1046 times:
As I mentioned on the Trip Report forum, I just took a BOS-IAD-BOS roundtrip this past weekend. The BOS-IAD flight was maybe 60% full. The IAD-BOS flight was around 20% full, with one guy in first class. I definitely do think people are booking away from United. Personally, I think I would have gone with US had I heard about the mechanics prior to booking the flight, although the UA flights ended up being perfectly on time.
Travelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3374 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1032 times:
My flight was the 1pm out of LAX. It is one of the last flights of the day to JFK (except for the red-eyes). I also assumed that the flight would contain some displaced Delta passengers, but I guess it wasn't the case.
Frankly, I have experienced no problems on United due to the mechanics or flight attendants. It is definitely a relief.
Unfortunately I don't think this trend bodes well for United.
Bicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (13 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 999 times:
There's too much capacity on this popular/flagship route with all of the airlines flying it. None want to give a leg up to their competitors and reduce frequency. But also, early December is slow for ALL routes. Many people in the States flew for Thanksgiving and now they're hard at work in their office for the next couple of weeks before they take off for the Xmas-New Years holiday. This is one of the slowest times for business and leisure travel.
UAL-Fan From United States of America, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 369 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (13 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 994 times:
The week prior to Thanksgiving I flew roundtrip LAX-MCO, then the week of Thanksgiving I flew LAX-MIA. All segments on A320 A/C absolutely JAMMED! 100% sold out.
With all the horror stories generated by the media I expected a traveling nightmare. However, I am very pleased to say that all segments were seamless. On time, extremely friendly crew - cockpit and cabin, luggage arrived no problem. Service was great.
I'm happy to say I think UAL is on the comeback trail. The Crew really really went out of thier way to make the trips a very positive experience.
Bicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (13 years 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 941 times:
.....and I thought I was the only United fan on this forum! Nice. Due to their labor problems this year they lowered the threshold to make 100K to 84K. I made that in early November. Two years in a row....I'll try for three next year, but I'm really tired of flying. Time to stay in one home and work on the house!
UALfa@jfk From United States of America, joined May 2000, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (13 years 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 938 times:
I can attest that aside from Saturday flights and maybe Wednesday afternoon flights (ie., "midweek" travel which typically carry low loads), my flights from LGA and ORD are ALWAYS FULL. This mainly applies to the LGA-ORD and LGA-DEN legs that I've been doing. However, secondary markets such as ORD-MSP, IAD-ATL, DEN-PDX, ORD-CLE are STILL FULL as well. --Don't let anyone tell you any different. I really wouldn't mind a 10% load factor every now and then. It'd be like a welcome breath of fresh air!
I think post-Thanksgiving travel is historically supposed to be light with all airlines. This could be changing though, because of the surge in online booking specials featured on Priceline and LowestFare.
(BTW, early morning transcon flights from JFK to LAX or SFO are usually light. The evening ones are the most packed.)
ILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8 Reply 9, posted (13 years 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 932 times:
Something that I've learned from Non-Reving is that you want to fly early in the morning, or early afternoon. The evening flights have many more pax on them
This is not uncommon. Sometimes the flights are just empty, this dosnt mean that United is loosing money on this flight. Although If this trait contines for a few months, I bet that this leg will be eliminated, or two flights will be combined, and the trip will use a 767-300.
SegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (13 years 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 918 times:
Flight 2 will NEVER be eliminated as it is part of the Round The World flight restarting in May (????)
I've heard that some Delta flights go out w/ only 30 people on them, and a source from TWA said that he was checking some loads for some friends and almost all of the flights he looked at were light to moderate booking... so it definitely has to be the time of year...
And to beat this horse to death, you can fly a plane full and still loose money.... or you can put 30 people on and still make money... (and us airline employees tend to prefer the latter scenario!)
Travelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3374 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (13 years 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 907 times:
Believe me, the passengers definitely benefit when there is such a light load! My question arose because I fly the LAX-JFK route on United almost weekly, and I had never seen such a light load. I was wondering if all the bad press was catching up to their bookings. A passenger sitting behind me wondered why they even flew the plane, but with 7 full fare first class passengers, that plane would have taken off if they were the only ones aboard!
UALfa@fjk -- Do you ever fly the LAX-JFK route? Maybe I'll see you aboard some time! (I'm on flight #11 on Friday....)
Nwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 5 Reply 12, posted (13 years 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 899 times:
I have been flying a fair amount latley and the amount of people who talk about United is amazing. Most people do comment that the crews are more friendly but they add that they have simply had too many problems. I heard one gentleman talking to his seatmate about his experiences with United and they sounded almost as bad as mine.
However, United is so big that it can handle the negative impact these labor disruptions have had. The economic effects are minimal on a carrier as large as United as oppossed to a smaller carrier who would have been crushed. Also, for some reason, United's repuatation is very hard to tarnish.
Big777jet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (13 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 891 times:
Last Saturday, I flew ORD-DEN on UA Flt #245 on Boeing 777. There was 50 passengers. I'm the only passenger behind the wing . Most passengers were seat over the wing. It was confortable to walk around and it is awesome PTV coach with flight detail moving map locate, speed, attitude, wind, and temp. outside. Terrific! I am little worried about United business. I want to be strong business for United. I hope it will solve problem with all workers next year! No more strikes or cooling off. Let's go back strong business.
ILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8 Reply 14, posted (13 years 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 877 times:
50 pax? Well they had to move the plane I guess. Sometimes when the loads are that light, they will just cancle the flight, but the planes next trip may have been oversold, so they would fly it, just for routing the plane.
Business will pick up here soon, as people begin flying home for the holidays.
CAETravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 907 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (13 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 851 times:
While there may be a number of paying passengers who are booking away from UAL, I am sure there are many who are coming back. The other thing to remember is that airlines also get some nice revenues out of the cargo in the belly of the plane on a lot of flights. So, if that transcon flight is full of mail and other cargo, it could probably almost make a profit empty. A 767 holds a lot more cargo than an A320, or 737, or even 757. I have no clue if that was the case with your flight, but it is one possible scenario. Most of the people running the show at UAL have been in business for a long time, and are masters at making a buck. I want to see UAL make a nice profit as well. I am trying to get some stock, my fiance is vested in their retirement plan, and continues to rely on them for her living. I think that everything will come out fine in the end.
A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her. - W.C. Fields
SegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (13 years 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 841 times:
A friend who is an ORD based FA said that a few months ago United had a LATE night DEN - ORD 945P dept (mainly to accomodate misconnects) with a 727-200... he said he worked it once and only had 4 paying passengers on it.. and 30 some Non revs.. heh :P
and about UA 245--- that flight has a TON of late inbound misconnecting passengers (810A departure)... most of the westbound ORD arrivals from the east coast make it in around 735A - 800A, so that's why the flight is normally a little light... and if a plane is THAT light, why didn't you ask for an upgrade?? if it's that low, they'll normally bump you into First or United Business if you ask *nicely* and *politely* without a surcharge. I have had it done many times....
Philly phlyer From United States of America, joined May 1999, 317 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (13 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 831 times:
United is not suffering. Two things you need to remember:
> The weeks between the holidays (Thanksgiving and Christmas) are among the lightest of each and every year.
> Also, you were flying on a Tuesday. Tuesday is one of the lightest days for transcon travel in the US. Most transcon travel is done on Sundays (afternoon), Mondays, Thursdays and Fridays. As such, the load factors (and ticket prices) are lower on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Saturdays and Sunday mornings.
UALfa@jfk From United States of America, joined May 2000, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (13 years 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 824 times:
I LOVE those JFK-LAX transcons!!! But I didn't get any for this month . You're on flight 11
friday, eh? Usually I try to bid for the early morning LAX flights because of... surprise...... -the LIGHT loads! But yes, I've done tons of flight 11's as well as other JFK-LAX flights throughout the day. I'm sure you've been on one of my flights at one time or another. Hope I gave you good service!!! LOL!
My next trip is Saturday. A LGA-ORD one day "turn" (aka roundrip). It's flight 895 (a 727) to ORD, and then 684 (a 757) back to LGA. [a bit of trivia: my flight 895 from LGA-ORD is the originating leg of the Chicago-Hong Kong nonstop. Of course the equipment changes to a 744 for that segment.] -Any non-revvers on the forum are welcome to join me. And because it's on a Saturday, the loads should be light. Yay!
Yep, I got your email. I'll email you today. BTW, I'm didn't get scheduled as purser at all this month. However, there may be trips where I'll have to be purser because of scheduling. (Like over the past weekend, for instance). I'll explain it to you better in your email.
Travelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3374 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (13 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 798 times:
Philly phlyer --
I flew in on Monday, not Tuesday. That's why I was surprised at the light load.
I'm sure I've been on one of your flights. Lord knows I've been on enough of them! You work business class? I fly C class about half the time (the other times I'm forced into coach -- oh well). I'm trying to upgrade on Friday, but we'll see. So far I've been wait listed. Not a good sign.