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Can AC Sell CLE-LAX?  
User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

I though international carriers were prohibited from selling transportation between two domestic points even if they connected you outside of the US... Is this not correct?

While just browsing what the options from CLE to LAX were (not that I'd ever stray from CO, but just out of curiosity) and one of the options that popped up was Air Canada CLE-YYZ-LAX/LAX-YYZ-CLE -- about 3x the cost of the next most expensive option (a decent portion of that was customs and immigration fees)

So, what are the restrictions on selling a routing like that?


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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9488 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

Air Canada is restricted from selling CLE-YYZ-LAX as a single itinerary. They cannot carry passengers between any two US points.


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User currently offlineIluv747400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2176 times:

United can sell a codeshare on Air Canada between Cleveand and LAX. A passenger could buy two separate tickets, but they would need to reclaim luggage and check-in again in Toronto.

User currently offlineYEGinLeduc From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

This happens alot when booking on Expedia, Travelocity or any online booking sites. Ive seen YEG - MSP - YYZ or something odd through the USA for flights between two Canadian cities. They technically cant do it but it happens as a glitch as the computer system doesnt think about the legal issues of the connection and just sees the connection as a good connection. I dont know why anyone would bother anyways as you have to clear customs twice to get somewhere in the same country and normally would just be a domestic flight.

Air Canada and UAs website would not sell you an itenerary like that but Expedia can pull it off by either seperating the reservations or just trying to slip it through.


User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2089 times:

Quoting YEGinLeduc (Reply 3):
Expedia can pull it off by either seperating the reservations or just trying to slip it through.

Expedia won't be able to issue the ticket. It may show it in availability but it will not generate a sale.

They hardly "hope" that such transactions will "slip through". They face enormous financial penalties for such transactions and all CRSs prohibit completing such transactions. Same deal with US itineraries origining in the US into Cuba. It can't be completed on any airline's (US or foreign) or third-party sites.

As already mentioned, an AC itinerary all the way would require point-to-point ticketing, pricing and bags.

[Edited 2007-05-07 22:42:48]


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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1998 times:

Quoting Iluv747400 (Reply 2):
United can sell a codeshare on Air Canada between Cleveand and LAX. A passenger could buy two separate tickets, but they would need to reclaim luggage and check-in again in Toronto.

Would they have to re-check luggage. If you have two different itineraries on the same alliance it never is an issue to have them check it through to the final destination. You may have to re-check yourself in but I would imagine you could have the bags checked to the destination.

Websites like Orbitz will likely put together itineraries like that of two separate flights that can't be sold together, per se.



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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1837 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 5):
If you have two different itineraries on the same alliance it never is an issue to have them check it through to the final destination. You may have to re-check yourself in but I would imagine you could have the bags checked to the destination.

Not for an illegal itinerary, which is what this would be.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22712 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

Quoting Iluv747400 (Reply 2):
United can sell a codeshare on Air Canada between Cleveand and LAX. A passenger could buy two separate tickets, but they would need to reclaim luggage and check-in again in Toronto.

Here's a more interesting question. Can UA sell CLE-YYZ-ORD, with the CLE-YYZ segment bearing a UA code and the YYZ-ORD segment on UA metal?



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24786 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1526 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
Here's a more interesting question. Can UA sell CLE-YYZ-ORD, with the CLE-YYZ segment bearing a UA code and the YYZ-ORD segment on UA metal?

Can't see a problem. It's a US carrier selling transportation between 2 US points with an intermediate stop in Canada. Similarly, AC could sell YVR-SEA-YYZ.

In the 1960s/70s, NW operated MSP-YEG-ANC with a 727-100, i.e.between 2 US points with an intermediate stop in Canada.


User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1240 times:

Well AA once offered me ORD-MIA thru YYZ on AA.com (their own web site). I didn't attemp to buy it, but at the time I thought it possible as it was US to US. The only difference with the connection would be having to clear customs/immigration into Canada and then pre clear in YYZ. Now that I come to think of it, would it be difficult to do. AA allowed 1:40 connecting time, I'm sure that is enough.

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