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Aer Lingus Want To Open More New US Routes In 2008  
User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11345 times:

Aer Lingus are looking at launching further new US routes next year, according to Commercial director Enda Corneille, quoted as saying: "we are looking at a number of routes to the US for next year and the east coast continues to be an interesting market for us".

I think the most likely destinations would be Miami, Phillidelphia, Newark & Dallas.

Recently announced are SanFrancisco, Washington & Orlando.

Any opinions on this?

[Edited 2007-05-08 10:58:42]

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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11292 times:

Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):
Any opinions on this?

Source would be nice.


User currently offlineStyles9002 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 534 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11283 times:

I think EI are being a bit optimistic that they can successfully expand to more cities. Over the past 10 years they have added service to EWR, BWI, and MCO and pulled out of all three. I realize they are planning on returning to MCO this year and launching IAD and SFO as well but it remains to be seen how well they will perform on a 3 or 4 weekly service. It is important to note that US carriers not serving Ireland are now considering adding service to DUB , as well as those currently serving it are revising/adding frequencies and this will impact how EI will perform on any new routes. I see where US has already announced adding year round service from PHL and CO has revised its 2nd EWR DUB flight to skip SNN and operate non-stop back to EWR from this winter on. Additionally, it is probable that UA will serve IAD DUB and NW will add DTW DUB sometime over the next 6-12 months. It is also possible that a proliferation of lower cost airlines will start flying transatlantic and it is logical that Ireland, due to its geographic location, will receive some of the first services, such as flyglobepsan's new BOS & JFK to NOC services. All of these factors will contribute to lower margins for all carriers involved and may lead to rationalization of expansion.


It is what it is.
User currently offlineEINA330 From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11263 times:

I can see an argument for all 4 of these routes,with Dallas being the most urgent.Personally,I would like to see somewhere like Memphis or New Orleans,but I doubt if there would be the initial demand for either of these.I wonder about Miami though!is there that much of a need for it?Granted it has excellent access to Central and South America,but do a sufficient number of people want to go there to warrant a 2nd service to Florida?
EINA330.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11243 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Source would be nice.

The quote is directly from Airline Business

Quoting EINA330 (Reply 3):
I can see an argument for all 4 of these routes

Roumers of a few more A330s coming next year, but we will have to wait and see.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11214 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 4):
The quote is directly from Airline Business

Fine . . .

Something for future reference:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/rules.main?confirm=no

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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6373 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11169 times:

More A330s will obviously be ordered soon because EI have to get interim aircraft until the A350/787 arrives. I think about 9 A330s will be ordered with the newest arriving late 2008 and onto 2009 this will replace and expand fleet. EI-DUO will arrive in a week, marking the beginning of the fleet expansion.

User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11145 times:

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 6):
More A330s will obviously be ordered soon because EI have to get interim aircraft until the A350/787 arrives.

I think Paris would definitly be good timing for this. It would be nice to replace the 4 current A330-300s over the next few years.


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6373 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11118 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 7):
Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 6):
More A330s will obviously be ordered soon because EI have to get interim aircraft until the A350/787 arrives.

I think Paris would definitly be good timing for this. It would be nice to replace the 4 current A330-300s over the next few years.

I think EI are thinking of replacing them, why buy new A330s with an all new product in both Premier and Economy and only update the current feet with new seat covers?
It looks to me as if Aer Lingus is only thinking of having the current A333s in the fleet until around 2009 when they can replace them. Enda C. has said the new A330s will form the blueprint for other new A330s but he did not say that the rest of the fleet will get the same product just that they got a "winter makeover" I suppose we will find out what EI are planning with the current fleet when they order interim aircraft which I think will be announced with the A350 at Paris.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12594 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11034 times:

I thought we spoke about this on the Irish Aviation thread? Anyway, good news is always worth repeating!

Quoting Styles9002 (Reply 2):
I think EI are being a bit optimistic that they can successfully expand to more cities. Over the past 10 years they have added service to EWR, BWI, and MCO and pulled out of all three

Remember that we have a new operating environment, now that EI (and other t/a carriers to/from Ireland) are no longer held back by the SNN stopover nonsense. Willie Walsh, former EI CEO, has said in the past that BWI could have worked if they didn't have the stopover. MCO was axed to make way for DXB, but it was popular when it was operated. EWR was dropped after 9/11. So, I think there are grounds for optimism. I am optimistic that they can be made work, BUT I certainly agree that with increased competition on routes to/from Ireland, yields will be squeezed. However, EI currently has among the lowest costs of any t/a airline (second only to AI, I believe), so at least they are well positioned.


User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10969 times:

Quoting Styles9002 (Reply 2):
I think EI are being a bit optimistic that they can successfully expand to more cities. Over the past 10 years they have added service to EWR, BWI, and MCO and pulled out of all three. I realize they are planning on returning to MCO this year and launching IAD and SFO as well but it remains to be seen how well they will perform on a 3 or 4 weekly service. It is important to note that US carriers not serving Ireland are now considering adding service to DUB , as well as those currently serving it are revising/adding frequencies and this will impact how EI will perform on any new routes. I see where US has already announced adding year round service from PHL and CO has revised its 2nd EWR DUB flight to skip SNN and operate non-stop back to EWR from this winter on. Additionally, it is probable that UA will serve IAD DUB and NW will add DTW DUB sometime over the next 6-12 months. It is also possible that a proliferation of lower cost airlines will start flying transatlantic and it is logical that Ireland, due to its geographic location, will receive some of the first services, such as flyglobepsan's new BOS & JFK to NOC services. All of these factors will contribute to lower margins for all carriers involved and may lead to rationalization of expansion.

As said before:

MCO was dropped to make way for DXB, and for other reasons (since resolved)
BWI could have worked had it not been for the SNN stopover
EWR was dropped to focus on one NYC gateway after the 9/11 downturn



I think DFW, PHL and EWR are very interesting!!! I think MIA is up there, but maybe EI will wait to see how MCO does!

As much as CO will go twice daily from September, thats with 2 757's. Total J capacity will only be 32 seats. EI will have a new J product, and could easily eat into CO's DUB-EWR market, with low fares for Y, and new corporate contracts for J. A mid-afternoon EWR flight would fit in well, with EI's current 10.30 and 17.30 JFK departures!

DFW will happen sooner or later!!! The AA connection, and hopefully further code-sharing between AA and EI would make the route a success!

US is going year round, so I wonder will that effect EI's decision on PHL?

I would bet UA had been seriously looking at IAD-DUB, but with EI starting the route, I'd doubt they'd want to fight for a small market like that, when UA have better use for a/c!


User currently offlineTsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 632 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10936 times:

CO 22 has upgraded to a 762 for the summer...CO126 is already operating from May 3, so CO is running double daily already...

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 10):
As much as CO will go twice daily from September, thats with 2 757's.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10914 times:

Aer Lingus returning to EWR would be a welcome addition, they dropped the route after 9-11-01.


Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3473 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10858 times:

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 10):
I think DFW, PHL and EWR are very interesting!!! I think MIA is up there, but maybe EI will wait to see how MCO does!

MCO and MIA are two different markets, the success/failure of MCO does not predict how MIA could fare


US is operating DUB all year round, but mind you it is 4 times weekly in the winter with a 752. EI should be able to compete with that and probably take advantage of the cargo capacity US is losing


User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10765 times:

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 10):
I think DFW, PHL and EWR are very interesting!!! I think MIA is up there, but maybe EI will wait to see how MCO does!

While I can't speak for DFW, there are a lot of Irish Americans in both the PHL and EWR markets. And EWR is NOT the same as JFK as EWR covers the New Jersey market much better than JFK.

Then there is St Paul, MN, the city that makes Saint Paddy's day a national holiday.It has a very large Irish population. I suspect that there is a good market to be found in MSP - DUB. Right now, those in the MSP area have to go to Chicago, where they have a choice of airlines to Ireland. Most would opt for a direct flight if available.

In any case, I hope to see announcements for these new routes in the next few months.


User currently offlineStyles9002 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 534 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10730 times:

Well, we are all entitled to our opinions but I believe EI will have to rely heavily on Irish originating traffic to make this work if it will work at all. The fact is EI has very little name recognition here in the USA outside of small pocket of aviation enthusiasts and some people with Irish heritage. I'd reckon if you surveyed it most Americans wouldn't know how to spell Aer Lingus. Additionally, they have no distribution sales network in the US as they cut sales force and outsourced their res center. They don't even work with tour operators or agencies as they rely almost exclusively upon online sales. Say what will you about their value, but I can tell you for certain that if you don't work with them you will not get any business from them. Once they move outside of the traditional destinations of JFK/BOS/ORD they are moving into new territories where they have no history, pedigree or emotional advantages. Why UA allow them to take the business from IAD or US from PHL? These legacy carriers are now more lean and effective and will be competing on many fronts with low cost carries & int'l competitors with great sophistication. You can see it already as US is flying year round to DUB now. As an American of Irish descent I think that the idea that because cities like PHL or SFO happens to have a certain amount of population that checks off the census box that they consider themselves Irish thus the airline should start flying there is silly. As for MCO, it is a strictly leisure destination and offer almost no premium traffic.


It is what it is.
User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10723 times:

Quoting Poitin (Reply 14):
Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 10):
I think DFW, PHL and EWR are very interesting!!! I think MIA is up there, but maybe EI will wait to see how MCO does!

While I can't speak for DFW, there are a lot of Irish Americans in both the PHL and EWR markets.

While the O&D market is still the primary source of EI revenues, I think that the airline will be looking at expanding its connecting market over the coming years. Hubs like DFW and MIA might help. Among the 8 cities included in the EI expansion strategy from a few years back were SanFran, Dallas, Seattle, Denver, Miami, Washington, St Louis & Phillidelphia. The move to T2 (hopefully in 09) will provide better transfer facilities, and the airline can offer a good combination of price, hub location and pre-immigration between the States and continental Europe.


User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10688 times:

Quoting Styles9002 (Reply 15):
Well, we are all entitled to our opinions but I believe EI will have to rely heavily on Irish originating traffic to make this work if it will work at all. The fact is EI has very little name recognition here in the USA outside of small pocket of aviation enthusiasts and some people with Irish heritage.



Quoting EI321 (Reply 16):
While the O&D market is still the primary source of EI revenues, I think that the airline will be looking at expanding its connecting market over the coming years.

EI321, I agree that EI has to get beyond their ethnic market, but Styles9002 is absolutely correct. EI is only an ethnic market in the US. They don't advertise, they don't do any name recognition development in the US. I don't remember the last time I saw an EI ad on the American television. From time to time you see a Guinness add, or perhaps "Find yer roots in Ireland" ad from the Irish Tourist Board, but 99.9% of Americans, including the 30 or 40% with Irish surnames, haven't the foggest idea who EI is.


User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10679 times:

And to Styles9002 -- Welcome to the you. I hope to see more of your postings in the future.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10583 times:

Miami and Orlando are entirely different markets. One has nothing to do with the other. Unlike Orlando, for example, Aer Lingus will be able to offer business class service from Miami, since the demographics will allow it.

I'm confident we will see them at Miami and Philadelphia in 2008, and possibly Dallas.



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User currently offlineStyles9002 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 534 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10525 times:

As for MIA and PHL, I have no doubt EI will start the routes but I think they will encounter difficulty in making them financially successful. I am not sure why they would want to fly to DFW and also as to why some people think EI will receive feed from AA at MIA & DFW. Wouldn't AA rather carry the traffic to LHR themselves and then let EI carry them from LHR to DUB/ORK/SNN? Why would AA want to share this revenue, especially premium revenue from hubs such as DFW & MIA with EI, especially since EI left oneWorld. I guess my question is what does EI offer AA?


It is what it is.
User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10522 times:

Quoting Styles9002 (Reply 20):
Wouldn't AA rather carry the traffic to LHR themselves and then let EI carry them from LHR to DUB/ORK/SNN?

But EI might want this L/H traffic themselves. The margins on the DUB-LHR route would is less than their US routes.

[Edited 2007-05-08 17:48:57]

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27308 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10488 times:

Quoting Styles9002 (Reply 20):
As for MIA and PHL, I have no doubt EI will start the routes but I think they will encounter difficulty in making them financially successful

My company alone could fill half a A330 with connecting cruise passengers into MIA!!! EI would make a killing on that route if they got their act together. No competition either.


User currently offlineEISHN From Ireland, joined Feb 2007, 1509 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10406 times:

People always say that DFW would work for EI because of connecting possibilities. But there isn't enough connecting pax, and not nearly enough O&D. EI already serve ORD, a huge AA hub. That covers North America. MIA could work for a number of reasons:

1. O&D traffic year round, and the fact that lots of Irish people own property in Florida.
2. Connecting AA traffic to the Carribean and South/Central America
3. CRUISES- Many, many more people are now cruising, espcially in the Carribean, getting on at Miami.
4. Cargo.

EWR is very unlikely to happen. CO already have the route covered, and while EI could eat into the profits, I doubt they could make a killing. Remember, CO have the connecting possibilities, and they are unlikely to do any code sharing or inter-lining with EI if they come on the EWR route.
PHL could work. I think that EI could easily push US off the route. EI will be offering more in terms of service. Perhaps let EI operate the route, work out code sharing, and let US pick another European route.
The new routes will need a lot of help being succesful for the first while. EI are launching the routes right after the busy Summer season. Granted you will have a large number of people flying at that time of year (Sept./Oct.) but they will need a lot of help. They are doing a good bit of advertising for the routes, but maybe more. They should also try and sell more connecting tickets onto S/H flights, as seat fillers.
Lets not forget the Canadian Open Skies agreement with Ireland. If EI don't get in, they could lose out to Zomm, or AC.
But there is also the question of Asia and South Africa services. They need to think everything out very carefully.

They have two problems.
1. Launch several L/H routes in a short amount of time, and fail.
2. Do nothing and watch several other airlines coe in, and win the market.



St. Flannan/ Fhlanain- She took off to find the footlights, And I took off for the sky
User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10391 times:

Quoting EISHN (Reply 23):
PHL could work. I think that EI could easily push US off the route

Doubt it. US to PHL is the only STAR Alliance transatlantic route out of DUB giving them good connecting traffic.

Quoting EISHN (Reply 23):
EI will be offering more in terms of service.

EI offers nothing over US. In fact on US you don't have to pay for alcohol while on EI you do.

Quoting EISHN (Reply 23):
Perhaps let EI operate the route, work out code sharing, and let US pick another European route.

Why would US simply hand over the route to EI?


25 Bartond : Question - how close are EI and AA now that EI dropped out of OneWorld? Are they still doing lots of codeshares? I think Philadelphia would obviously
26 Poitin : These are good points. Although I think 1 and 3 are the best. Unfortunately true. EI needs to work on the tourist trade in the Florida area. And by t
27 Post contains links EISHN : Read it and weep. Doesn't jsut apply to domestic flights. Non-alcoholic: Complimentary Coca-Cola Classic Diet Coke Sprite Diet Sprite Zero Minute Mai
28 IAD380 : EI's plans to rapidly expand in the United States over a short period of time seems overly ambitious and risky. I think that EI should first see if it
29 COEI2007 : Yes, but one routes via SNN. From Sept, theres two direct EWR. I'm pretty sure i;ve seen advertisements for EI in magazines in the US before! A high
30 Jfk777 : Aer Lingus should not on;y look to America but to South Africa and Asia. Dublin to Tokyo, Hong Kong, and J'Berg should be part of teh grand plan with
31 B752OS : B6 really doesn't have an extensive network out of EWR. EI would be better connecting passengers through JFK and BOS where B6 has a larger network. I
32 Shamrock350 : They were looking at BKK or HKG and the long-haul order looks like it will be made at Paris. The interim looks like it will only be A330s possibly A3
33 COEI2007 : CPT should be looked at. HKG/BKK are out of reach, without restricting the load. MIA and PHL look the most likely. I'm not sure about DFW, and I stil
34 Poitin : I certainly haven't. And never on the tele. I do see Irish Tourist Board ads all the time, particularly this time of year.
35 Shamrock350 : There are paper adverts for EI but no television ones. Aer Lingus dont have a huge amount of TV ads in Ireland let alone anywhere else!
36 Kaitak : I tend to agree that EWR is out; it is CO territory and there are many other markets in the US which EI could serve without encroaching onto another
37 Usairways85 : Last time i checked you had to pay for an alcoholic drink on US
38 Copaair737 : I can't wait to see their green A330's flying in and out of SFO. That's going to be great. -Copa
39 Poitin : This is true. There are three markets here. Irish tourists going to Disneyland, Irish tourists going on cruise, and Irish going to their winter homes
40 EIRules : I agree that there are still a number of oportunities for EI transatlantically (to MIA, PHL and YYZ in particular I think). But they cant afford to pu
41 OA260 : Yeah and to be honest I dont really drink so why should I subsidise those that do!!! Coke,tea/coffee/juice is enough for anyone . If you want wine wi
42 Kaitak : Personally, I've been to Tampa a few times (or specifically, the islands off the coast, around 30-40 miles south) ... a beautiful part of the world.
43 N272WA : mate at EI informed me earlier that YYZ, CPT and BKK are circulating in the rumour mill inhouse at EI at present and there has been no mention of any
44 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...interesting.. ...I'm surprised that AA isn't flying this route then... ...actually not, USofA is quite large and the various markets are extremely
45 Post contains images OA260 : Argh the dreaded BKK rumour again LOL... I wonder if it will start before or after THR and BEY !!!
46 EISHN : Yes but from what the likely market is. EI don't need to have a connecting service to every little regional airport in the US. They have a lot of con
47 COEI2007 : Maybe along with an order for LH a/c, interim a/c and short-haul a/c, we might hear that EI plans on launching YYZ, CPT and BKK???? If BKK might be o
48 Shamrock350 : I would love to see 777s but in a fleet of A330s adding a large 777 just to start a new route might be a mistake, it would raise operating costs, com
49 Smokeyrosco : They absolutely do advertise in the US, generally in the catchment area's of the airports they fly daily flights (BOS, JFK. ORD)
50 OA260 : Yeah I have seen them in various US Newspapers, just like the Ads in the Irish papers but in USD
51 COEI2007 : 777 could be used on US routes aswell!
52 Shamrock350 : Sure they could but unless EI order 787s I cant see why EI would want 777s, they would raise costs that are currently one of the lowest across the At
53 Post contains images Af773atmsp : MSP-DUB Reasons: Like some one else said, Saint Paul has a big Irish population. Now there is an incentives for international carriers that serve MSP,
54 MAH4546 : That is not a reason to serve MSP. Just about every US city has a "big" Irish population, most of which have never been to Ireland. Dozens of airport
55 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...I think you are contradicting yourself there mate.....I'm stating there is a reason as to why EI needs (or wants) to fly to these cities.....there
56 Shamrock350 : Probably space for walking and moving around. Much more space to walk on an A330 than a 757.
57 Kaitak : Ultimately I think that whether EI gets 777s or not will be determined by performance rather than comfort - and how much EI wants to extend its long h
58 Steeler83 : I could definitely see PHL working. It would be nice to see other European airlines enter PHL...
59 Jacobin777 : ....how much "walking around" does one do on a 8-10 hour flight? I fly long haul quite a bit every few months....usually 1-2 back-to-back 8-10 hour f
60 SJCRRPAX : Ireland has a population of only about 4 million, but come Saint Patrick's Day 300 Million Americans are Irish. I wonder if EI bought into the mayor
61 ThrottleHold : No, the reg thing has been discontinued. It caused problems in ops.....EI-LAX is in ORD, JFK is in DUB, ORD is in JFK, EWR is in LAX etc etc. Rumours
62 EI321 : Thats where it gets complicated. The A330 is limited in range, so the likes lo Toyko are out, and Dublin is limited by its short runway (8650ft) so e
63 Post contains images EI321 : Looks like the newest EI A330-200 is ready to roll over in Toulouse.
64 Tsnamm : CO126 is non stop EWR/DUB...it then goes DUB/SNN/EWR on the return...rather than having to stop in SNN 1st and proceeding to DUB...
65 EI321 : Its also worth keeping in mind that the inevitable scaling back (or complete cessation) of the DUN-SNN flights next year will have a comparable effect
66 Poitin : You understand the attraction Tampa has for all the Irish who would otherwise be spending the winter in places like Donegal. I have a friend up there
67 Scorp : The only one I could see short term is PHL. I think EI has the potential with its fares to certainly take a lot of traffic from US. I can't see US lea
68 Smokeyrosco : Nice route for a 320 2 or 3 times a day if the stop over stopped my thinks.
69 COEI2007 : If EI wanted 777's, i'm sure they could find some somewhere!!!! I know! I work for CO in DUB! More like a nice ATR route, say early morning, and even
70 Post contains images EISHN : There are a few select destinations that do need a direct service, in addition to the cities that are already served. There won't be enough pax that
71 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I certainly agree with you there, and that is why they aren't flying (or intending to fly) to those aforementioned cities/airports but to possible ci
72 Post contains images EISHN : You got me there. Still, theres just something about flying from one continent to another, and wanting a bigger plane. I haven't flown on a domestic
73 Vega : Well a big difference would be that US has it's entire Domestic feed into the Ireland flights, whereby EI would need to depend largely on O&D. Althou
74 OA260 : Im with you EISHN and 45 mins is 45 mins LOL....I feel too confined space wise for such a long flight. It has to be widebody for me for long haul.
75 LAXdude1023 : I have always said that MSP needs more international service, but it needs to come from a Skyteam member like AF. I dont think that EI would be a goo
76 EI321 : I dont see much point in that to be honest. If they dont fly A320s from ORK to DUB they probably wont do them from SNN to DUB. There would be little
77 Post contains images Jacobin777 : 1) ...of course, it should be "too"... 2) getting back to what I was stating....U.A's. "P.S. Plus" service from JFK to SFO/LAX on their B757 is much
78 Smokeyrosco : Exactly, BOS will probably remain primarily out of SNN most likely with JFK being mixed between SNN and DUB, for these reasons alone I can see a serv
79 Post contains images IADguy73 : I think US sees the writing on the wall and just trying to protect its turf. It is true tho that US has the only direct route but I personally rather
80 B752OS : I believe BOS will have 2 daily EI flights, 1 x SNN and 1 x DUB.
81 Kaitak : Unfortunately, BOS has a single one stop (from DUB) this Winter, which is a bit disappointing. I know there's a good sized Irish community in Boston,
82 B752OS : Boston and the Metro area has the largest Irish population I believe outside of Europe. That's too bad EI will only do 1 x daily flight out of BOS th
83 MAH4546 : Boston does have a huge Irish community, but the yield is not that great on Boston-Ireland during the winter, and the market is heavily seasonal, lea
84 Steeler83 : I am just curious to see what the biggest US cities are as far as Irish population is concerned... Boston, Chicago, Philadelphia are definitely up the
85 LAXdude1023 : NYC has to be up there as well. I believe that Boston might have the largest per capita Irish population. I know we have a few here in Los Angeles as
86 EISHN : Apparently theres some old mining town in Colorado, that has the largest population of Irish, and Irish descent in the country. This is because (alleg
87 Vega : Here's the States: 1. California- 2,611,449 2. New York- 2,451,042 3. Pennsylvania- 1,981,106 4. Florida- 1,645,585 5. Illinois- 1,511,569 and some c
88 Smokeyrosco : Absolutely, Hells Kitchen was in NYC. Anyone know where the first and second St Patrick's Day Parade was? and where was the first place the Irish had
89 EI564 : EI seems to have updated their schedule recently to show that it will operate 11 services a week to Boston from Dublin, 7 via Shannon but 4 direct.
90 Kaitak : Thanks EI564 - and welcome to A.net; it's great to see another Irish flag! Don't forget to visit the Irish aviation threads! Interesting figures and
91 Steeler83 : And you were saying, LAXdude??? Still, I can't believe that PIT made the list above MIA. Wasn't MIA one of the cities EI announced? Although, I am su
92 Kaitak : No, MCO has been announced, but Miami is still a strong possibility, either by EI itself or in c/s with AA. They'll want to have some r'ship with AA
93 LAXdude1023 : Thats crazy stuff, Ive lived here most of my life and I had no idea that the Irish population here was so large. I guess you learn somthing new every
94 N272WA : I thought EI were going daily to LAX this summer.
95 OA260 : Morning N272WA , they are 1234567 DUB LAX 1115 1420 EI 145 332 1234567 LAX DUB 1630# 1030 EI 144 332
96 Post contains images N272WA : Thanks OA260 for that!
97 Post contains images EI321 : I think this whole US Irish population is blown out of preportion. When I lived in the states (NY & SC) I routinly met people claiming to be irish, t
98 B752OS : I have a problem believeing that the LA area has more Irish people than Boston. Every St. Patty's day, I always meet tons of people from Southern Cal
99 OA260 : Yeah I can confirm that when I was living in LA I was there for Paddys Day and there wasnt a Shamrock in sight and only a few badly done Irish bars w
100 Post contains links and images Poitin : You will be surprised at the number of Irish and Scots Irish (i.e Protestant Irish) in America. About 10% of the population (30 million) reported the
101 Post contains images EI321 : Yes I know, but how many of these are actually relevent to the argumant that EI should start serving a particular city because of its irish populatio
102 Poitin : These are people who claim to have 50% or more "Irish blood" The people you are talking about have Irish surnames, and may have had a Irish great gra
103 LAXdude1023 : Well for what its worth LA is a lot bigger than Boston. So sometimes there are larger numbers in LA, but not on a per capita basis. Therefore it does
104 Post contains images EI321 : Who's St Patty?
105 Post contains images Poitin : Is that because of a 21% VAT or what? Rip off if it isn't. Almost cheaper to fly to BOS (on EI naturally) and buy one there. Well, since you don't kn
106 COEI2007 : I always thought there was a lot of Irish in Ohio aswell??? I though the big Irish areas were NYC, NJ, Boston-area, Chicago, Philly, Ohio, Florida and
107 Post contains links Poitin : Look at the map in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Irish1346.gif and you will find that this is generally so. There are a lot in Pennsylvania due
108 LAXdude1023 : I doesnt say if the map is done by percentage or sheer number. My guess is percentage.
109 EVA777SEA : That may be so, but the area around LA is white and light yellow, meaning a very low percentage...
110 LAXdude1023 : That im sure of. The thing about Los Angeles county is that we are the largest county in the United States (population). The second largest (Cook Cou
111 Poitin : I am sure you are right. I agree that is it not clear and it does not give the color code, but it is an indication. I know a good deal about the "Iri
112 Smokeyrosco : From the 2000 census State - Irish-American population - Irish-Americans as a percentage of total population Alabama 342,274 7.7 Alaska 67,578 10.8 Ar
113 Poitin : Running the numbers through Excel, this is the Irish American population by state from largest to smallest. California 2,611,449 7.7 New York 2,451,0
114 SJCRRPAX : etc.... , I think this is all nonsense. The population of Ireland is around 4 million. So, 40% of 300 million would be 120 million people in the USA
115 Smokeyrosco : It was taken from the 2000 census, 30 million (or 10.8% of) americans claim Irish ancestry, correct that not everyone that claims Irish ancestry is go
116 Poitin : Absolutely true. The 30 million who said they are of Irish ancestry did so thinking that they were. There are some 50 or so other choices one can mak
117 Smokeyrosco : It's 3am and I'm about to head to bed, there's a few things I want to comment on here but probably should do with a slightly clearer head, but anyway
118 Poitin : Obvious that you did work at it for I tried to find the same information and did not. Congratulations on your work! I know what you say is true -- it
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