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Can Kingfisher Afford The A380?  
User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2576 times:

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Brushing aside fears that it may not fit in Indian airports, the A380 landed in time to celebrate Kingfisher Airlines' second birthday. Kingfisher has ordered five such aircraft starting 2010 - when it begins flying to the US.


Each A380 can carry over 560 passengers at a time.


Airbus claims that the A380 is at least 25 per cent more cost effective that its closest competitor - the Boeing 747-800, but only when it's completely full.


Currently, the traffic between India and the US is 270 passengers a day, and Kingfisher owner and chairman, Vijay Mallya, hopes this traffic will double in the next three years for him to be able to make money on these aircraft.


http://www.ibnlive.com/news/can-king...er-afford-airbus-a380/39982-7.html

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User currently offlinePeh From Australia, joined Nov 2006, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2566 times:

Hmm, they do seem to be hedging all of their bets on that forecasted increase in traffic. If the A380 is only more economical when full, they'd better hope they can fill it.


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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2521 times:

How much beer will the Indians drink? I think he got plenty of spare cash and are willing to spend it on his airline.

User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2495 times:

Quoting Peh (Reply 1):
if the A380 is only more economical when full, they'd better hope they can fill it.

That's not what is claimed. The claim is that the A380 will be atleast 25% more cost effective when full. Not full means less cost effective then the 25% claimed but not necesarily less cost effective then a 744 (I suppose the 748 in the article is a typo).

Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):
Currently, the traffic between India and the US is 270 passengers a day

Something is wrong here. 270 passengers a day!?!



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2485 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 3):
Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):
Currently, the traffic between India and the US is 270 passengers a day

Something is wrong here. 270 passengers a day!?!

Maybe it means that growth is 270 a day?


User currently offlineHimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1047 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2438 times:

Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):
Currently, the traffic between India and the US is 270 passengers a day, and Kingfisher owner and chairman, Vijay Mallya, hopes this traffic will double in the next three years for him to be able to make money on these aircraft.

It's much more than that. In fact the traffic between individual cities and the USA is much more than 270.



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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4405 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2349 times:

The 270 is "average media quality" as it is written - while a 270 seated aircraft like the A340 is of good size for typical India-US routes currently.
Passenger growth typically is twice the economic growth, so with its 10% economic growth India indeed will have 20% passenger growth per year, so the 560 are not far away from 2010 if that growth continues.

The 25% advantage on a fully loaded A380 is not compatible to the 560 seating - at 650 or above it may be.


User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 6):
The 270 is "average media quality" as it is written - while a 270 seated aircraft like the A340 is of good size for typical India-US routes currently.
Passenger growth typically is twice the economic growth, so with its 10% economic growth India indeed will have 20% passenger growth per year, so the 560 are not far away from 2010 if that growth continues.

The 25% advantage on a fully loaded A380 is not compatible to the 560 seating - at 650 or above it may be.

What?
Currently, Air India, CO and DL offer direct US - India that alone is much more than 270 a day.
Add to that those connecting in Europe wih BA, LH, AF etc and you probably have 2,700 a day.
Another option is 270 premium cabin pax a day.

[Edited 2007-05-08 12:24:06]

User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3270 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2238 times:

Seems like a typical crappy media article - 270 seats/day market between India and the US indeed!

It's another matter that IT's business plan is not very clear, they're investing like crazy, but buying 5 330, 345s and 380s does not seem like the most logical of all business plans. In addition, though they're busy attracting the average flier in India, they're not successful in retaining 9W's Platinum fliers - who are pampered no end by 9W, while IT tries to pamper everyone on board.



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User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2759 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

According to another thread and the German aviation press given as the source, apparently IT is exepcted to exercise it's 5 380 options.


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User currently offlineA3 From Greece, joined Oct 2006, 262 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

Kingfisher To Exercice A380 Options (by Flying-Tiger May 8 2007 in Civil Aviation)

I guess that this should answer any question regarding the topic...



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