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Israel Will Subsidise Routes To Egypt / Jordan  
User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3548 times:

The Israeli Government has agreed to subsidise the heavy losses by El Al on its routes to Cairo as well as Arkia losses on its route to Amman. Link to Haaretz article below.


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/857149.html

27 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3489 times:

Great News, Hopefully Israel will help EL AL turn profitable in the near future instead of giving them problems.

I do not believe a country would like for there main airline to go under because of all Security, Political & Religous problems it must face in there day to day business.

If I was Israel I would not of went to Aitalia to transfer government workers & I would try to promote EL AL with all the Tourism for free. They are spending money anyway so what is the big deal.


User currently offlineRJAF From Jordan, joined Jan 2007, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3378 times:

Any idea how RJ is doing on the Amman-Tel Aviv flights?


Chance favors the prepared mind
User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3244 times:

RJ I believe fly daily and they benefit from connecting traffic to Asia.

User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3236 times:

Good news for me as I plan on taking TLV-CAI in the summer, despite it's absurd departure time.


The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3215 times:

Quoting RJAF (Reply 2):
Any idea how RJ is doing on the Amman-Tel Aviv flights?

I've heard they do rather well because of all the connecting opportunities in Amman...


User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3198 times:

RJ does very well and they are very Very VERY competitive on the CARGO side.
You could also catch a310s flying to Tel Aviv on some days.

Some of the Cargo picked up by RJ in Tel Aviv is transferred to Arab countries as EL AL can not fly there.
RJ charges pretty big money but, less than the Europeans for these Cargos. Electronics, Pharmacitcals, Metals & Other expensive stuff


User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3121 times:

Air Sinai also flys Cairo to TLV.

User currently offlineRJAF From Jordan, joined Jan 2007, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2958 times:

Semsem,

Not wanting to politicize this post but if there was true peace between Israel and the Arab world, watch TLV become a major hub, abuzz with Arab carriers.

Peace, Salam, Shalom



Chance favors the prepared mind
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2930 times:

Quoting RJAF (Reply 8):
Not wanting to politicize this post but if there was true peace between Israel and the Arab world, watch TLV become a major hub, abuzz with Arab carriers.

No reason in the world why there isn't TLV-BEY and TLV-DXB service. All the peoples of the Middle East would benefit.


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 9):
No reason in the world why there isn't TLV-BEY and TLV-DXB service. All the peoples of the Middle East would benefit.

Are Israelis even allowed into Lebanon and the UAE?



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

Quoting RJAF (Reply 8):
if there was true peace between Israel and the Arab world, watch TLV become a major hub, abuzz with Arab carriers.
Peace, Salam, Shalom

I truly hope and pray for peace and reconciliation between Israel and the entire Arab world, especially the Palestinians. Peace would be a blessing for all, and it cannot come to the Mideast soon enough. Nevertheless, I don't think a formal peace treaty will attract Arab airlines to TLV, or result in many scheduled flights between Israel and Arab countries.


User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2876 times:

I do see Emirates and EL AL flying

TLV-DXB
DXB-TLV

That is the only route I do see, Israelis would be there flying back and forth non-stop.

Before 1979 Israelis were all over the place in IRAN without any problems. There were even Israeli contracters working on all different types of problems.

It would be very very benefical for the Emirates to sign a peace agreement with Israel as both sides would profit substationally.

Listen, Israelis travel to Cairo & Amman,

But, I know the Israelis would love to conduct business in DUBAI in the open.

Right now, there are a very large amount of Israelis in DUBAI, But they travel on different passports. 75% of Israel has dual-citizenship. I know religious jews conducted business is DUBAI.

DUBAI just built the largest DIAMOND Exchange in the world. The Director or President or whatever is a Religious JEW from Antwerp, Belgium. Lets face it the DIAMOND business is dominated by ISRAEL


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 10):
Are Israelis even allowed into Lebanon and the UAE?

No, but like I said, no reason in the world why that can't change.


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12420 posts, RR: 100
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2732 times:
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Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 12):
It would be very very benefical for the Emirates to sign a peace agreement with Israel as both sides would profit substationally.

Ummm... I hope EK isn't given the authorty to determine maters of peace and war! There next order would be for bombers!  duck 

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 13):

No, but like I said, no reason in the world why that can't change.

Except for politics. The reality is that both sides woudl do well if there was peace.

But I'm not sure that is a politically possible reality judging by how many nations blame all of their problems on Israel (not saying its true, I'm just stating the political climate). How many arab countries even recognize Israel's right to exist? Not many...

But if it were to open up, both El Al and EK would see a tremendous boost in business. It would be bizarro to see each other's aircraft in TLV or DXB...  confused 

Lightsaber



I've posted how many times?!?
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2719 times:

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 14):
But if it were to open up, both El Al and EK would see a tremendous boost in business. It would be bizarro to see each other's aircraft in TLV or DXB...

I'd love to see some courageous Arabs like Anwar Sadat. If the CEO of Emirates announced his intention to start DXB-TLV, he would be perceived as a hero in most of the world (except ironically in the Arab world).


User currently offlineLevg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2695 times:

Does anyone know what the loads are on TLV-CAI and TLV-AMM flights? Also do only LY and IZ fly on these routes or MS and RJ fly to TLV as well?

Leo.



A mile of runway takes you to the world. A mile of highway takes you a mile.
User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12420 posts, RR: 100
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2677 times:
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Quoting RJpieces (Reply 15):
If the CEO of Emirates announced his intention to start DXB-TLV, he would be perceived as a hero in most of the world (except ironically in the Arab world).

Sad but true. Here is hoping they can take that step forward!  bigthumbsup 

Name two countries in the global supply chain that have gone to war with each other...

Yea, I cannot think of any either.

Amazing how business can trump a lot of other motivations...

Lightsaber



I've posted how many times?!?
User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2414 times:

So, why Arkia and El Al keep flying to those destinations? It's not like they depend on Cairo and Amman, that's for sure.


and why not flight to Doha?


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2384 times:

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 19):
and why not flight to Doha?

No links with most Muslim countries or allowed to overfly their airspace.

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 19):
So, why Arkia and El Al keep flying to those destinations? It's not like they depend on Cairo and Amman, that's for sure.

Political and not Business decision.

[Edited 2007-05-10 18:40:30]

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2378 times:

While I'm generally against any route subsidies anywhere, these are 2 that I support.

The (too) few commercial links between Israel and the Arab world need to be fostered. The links they provide encourage trade (commercial & cultural) and understanding far more valuable than the underlying subsidy.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

Do RJ and 4D receive subsidies for their flights to TLV? I don't know the answer, but I doubt that they do. The AMM-TLV route seems to be very profitable for RJ, but not for Israeli carriers. Remember that TK prospers on the route to TLV, but LY withdrew from IST. For whatever reason, this seems to be a similar situation.

User currently offlineFlyprivate From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

Flew Amman - TLV -last month on Arkia
( Drove TLV-Amman Portion )

flight consisted of israeli's en route to Asia/Israeli businessmen doing work in Jordan and filipino foreign workers

much more convinent to cross border by car-- BIG BIG Hassle for a 20 minute flight...

and yes theres alot of security ( your not gonna get details out of me ! )


User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2233 times:

RJAF because close to 50% of Israelis left Arab countries after 1948 if there were a real peace and stability there would be demand for the following new routes:

Casablanca
Algiers
Tunis
Djerba
Tripoli
Baghdad
Irbil
Sana

Many Israeli tourists would go to Dubai, Bahrein and Muscat. Damascus and Beirut are close so one can go by car.

But I think this is a long way off.

Allah Wayak.


User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2117 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

Quoting Flyprivate (Reply 23):
Drove TLV-Amman Portion

How long did the drive take you including security check points etc?


25 FlyBaby : It's becuase of the connecting traffic to Asia and Oceania, carried by RJ. The basic reason why RJ is more competitive here is because they can overf
26 NYCFlyer : I flew CAI-TLV on LY two years ago, and the flight was half full, possibly even less than half full. At the time there were only two flights a week.
27 777way : I heard on CNN back in the 90's after Jordan has recahed peace with Israel, that general population in Jordan and Egypt are not happy with their govt.
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