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What Is The Largest A/C To Fly In/out Of DCA?  
User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2504 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10599 times:

I'm guessing that someone knows the answer to the relatively simple question below.

I happened to be stuck in traffic on South Capitol Street in the heart of DC (imagine that) and found myself watching an outbound 757 break up the monotonous trail of CRJs and MD-80s arriving and departing DCA's runway 1 (6900 ft). It got me thinking:

What is the largest aircraft to ever fly in and out of DCA? I would imagine that even prior to 911, the relatively short field and precarious location in relation to the Capitol airspace made it somewhat "off-limits" to many of the larger widebodies.



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DC-8 61/63/71 DC-9-30/50 MD-80/82/83 DC-10-10/30 MD-11 717 721/2 732/3/4/5/G/8/9 741/2/4 752 762/3 777 A306/319/20/33 AT
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User currently offlineElcableguy77 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 523 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10580 times:

As far as what you'll see in and out of DCA, the largest will be the 757s and US Airways A321s. Other than that, as you noticed, it's a steady stream of RJs, 737s, A319/320s, and MDs.

[Edited 2007-05-09 03:40:42]


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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2504 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10560 times:

I know what flies in there now, but was looking for some historical perspective. I snooped around on a.net and found plenty of 727s and DC-9s but little else. I would think that there had to be an old 707, DC-8 or DC-10 diversion at some point in the field's history.

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?!


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User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 970 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10528 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 2):
I know what flies in there now, but was looking for some historical perspective. I snooped around on a.net and found plenty of 727s and DC-9s but little else. I would think that there had to be an old 707, DC-8 or DC-10 diversion at some point in the field's history.

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?!

Ferris here...

Eastern at one point flew A300s into DCA, but only for testing purposes. The A300 passed the test as far as DCA's capability to handle them, but "someone" shot the proposal down.

So, as stated by EIcableguy77, the 757 is the largest regularly scheduled aircraft in and out of DCA.

Although, at only 150 feet shorter than the runways at LGA, I'm sure a DC10 or L1011 could physically fly in and out of DCA.


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2504 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10478 times:

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 3):
Although, at only 150 feet shorter than the runways at LGA, I'm sure a DC10 or L1011 could physically fly in and out of DCA.

That would've been a sight to see. As it stands, the 757 left-hand turns out of the airspace from runway 1 will have to suffice. The idea for this thread came originated (in part) from the threads about the SAA 747SP retirement landing and Dubai AirWing 744 visit to Kentucky last week.


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User currently offlineDouwd20 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10413 times:

A DC-10 once landed at DCA in 1998:

Late afternoon storms and high winds forced a United DC-10 airliner, low on fuel with nearly 300 people aboard, to make an emergency landing. The DC-10, bound from Chicago to Baltimore-Washington International Airport, had been diverted first to Dulles and then to National because of bad weather. It landed safely, and there were no injuries among the 287 passengers.


User currently offlineC680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10353 times:

Quoting Douwd20 (Reply 5):
A DC-10 once landed at DCA in 1998

I remember that day. It was downright bizzare seeing a wide body at DCA. Thanks for the year, I looked all over the net. I couldn't remember when it happened, but I sure rembmer the sight!



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User currently offlineAA87 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10317 times:

777fan, I share your longing for more interesting metal. I work downtown, can't help looking up at outbounds/inbounds over Potomac, and a 75 is about as interesting as it gets.

I wonder about the DC-10 story from 98. Don't question veracity of the account, but doesn't add up. IAD has much longer runways and overrun areas, can't imagine things would be so much better at DCA 25 miles away. Also odd that they would be so low on fuel for such a short flight. However, I do recall hearing about a DC-10 visit (though I thought it was many years before that). Anyway, I bet a light 747SP and 777 could do it.

As an aside, LGA was my home field growing up, there was actually a time, not that long ago, when DC-10s and L-1011s were the norm there.


User currently offlineC680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10280 times:

Quoting AA87 (Reply 7):
Don't question veracity of the account, but doesn't add up. IAD has much longer runways and overrun areas, can't imagine things would be so much better at DCA 25 miles away. Also odd that they would be so low on fuel for such a short flight

IIRC they were headed to BWI when it shut down for thunderstorms, they then went over to IAD, but since BWI was closed, IAD started taking all sorts of diversions (on top of lots of holds and vectors for weather) they were down low burning fuel like mad when IAD shut down too. All that was left was DCA, and it looked like it was going to close, so they called minimum fuel and followed the river to DCA.

It was one of those days with *bad* T-Storms that popped up pretty fast.

I think they were under 10K Ft for almost an hour. Jets but quite a bit more fuel at low altitudes, and the whole block time ORD-BWI is only about an hour and a half or so. Even with normal reserves, it can happen. Those guys were getting nervous, saw an open runway, and took it. Good call. Get it on the ground and the people safe. DCA's runway is plenty long enough, and Lord knows they were light!  Smile

If thats not *exactly* what happened, dont flame me - it's been a long time since that occurred.



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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5151 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10256 times:

IIRC the 767-200 was certified/approved to operate into DCA, but no one ever did.


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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10256 times:

I have heard here at a.net the story about the DC-10. As I remember, to get it OFF the ground, it not only had to go out completely empty but just enough fuel to get to IAD or BWI.

I also remember from a previous posting about this same topic that a 767 is the largest plane capable of docking at DCA. Seems to me that two 767's have room to dock, but I couldn't tell you which gates it would use.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10244 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 2):
DC-10 diversion



Quoting Douwd20 (Reply 5):
A DC-10 once landed at DCA in 1998

Yup, saw it on the news when I lived in Springfield VA. Bizarre seeing a DC-10 at DCA.

Largest scheduled thing in/out of DCA is a 757-300.

Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):

FYI . . avail yourself of the Search Engine.

There's several thread, this topic, already on the boards.


User currently onlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5492 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10226 times:

Both DC-10's and L-1011's were tested at DCA in the mid-70's; neither had any problem. FAA decided against allowing them because of terminal crowding.


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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10087 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
Largest scheduled thing in/out of DCA is a 757-300.

I would assume that in summer at least the 757-300s push the limits of that short runway pretty well. Those short little wings and overwhelmed engines have to work pretty hard to get that pencil-jet off the ground. I'm sure we might see 767-200 service there if the 762s hadn't fallen out of favor for domestic routes the way they did.

On a hot day the 757-300 has pretty unimpressive take-off performance... on a 95 degree day here at MSP the 757-300s departing to the west coast take up almost as much runway as the A330s departing to Europe do to get off the ground.



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User currently offlineGeorgebush From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 679 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10068 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
Largest scheduled thing in/out of DCA is a 757-300.

A 757 is not just a... THING!

Do DC-9's have weight and balance there a lot? Cause of the changing winds and rather short runway? I was on a NW DC-9 to DTW and they said because the wind shifted they needed 25 people off... thats a lot to be overweight by! But again at DCA I really wouldn't like to meet my fate at either end of that 6900 feet!



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User currently offlineN757ST From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9925 times:

Due to the way the mount vernon and river visual finals are stacked up, DCA for some reason is often reluctant to swap runways even if that runway shows a 5-10 kt tailwind. This seems especially true when they are on the mt vernon visual. Aircraft that request a departure into the winds during these conditions are usually told to expect 1+ hour delays, thus sometimes it is better for some more weight limited aircraft to return to gate or not even bother and use the current configuration and wind conditions in thier take off calculations and bump people rather then run a significant delay.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9726 times:

Quoting Georgebush (Reply 14):
I was on a NW DC-9 to DTW and they said because the wind shifted they needed 25 people off... thats a lot to be overweight by!

Weight restrictions on -9s are not that uncommon in the summer, though it's usually on DCA/BNA/CLT/ATL-MSP.



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User currently offline787EWR From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9654 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
Largest scheduled thing in/out of DCA is a 757-300

Is that Northwest or AmTran?


User currently offlineAamr From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9629 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
Largest scheduled thing in/out of DCA is a 757-300.



Quoting 787EWR (Reply 17):

Is that Northwest or AmTran?

Currently the largest scheduled aircraft are 757-200's by NW, US/HP, DL, and UA. NW's -300's have yet to even be swapped in for one of the -200's on flights 231/1715 (a/c variance depending on the season), since I've been at the airport.

[Edited 2007-05-09 17:58:40]

User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9536 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
Largest scheduled thing in/out of DCA is a 757-300.



Quoting 787EWR (Reply 17):
Is that Northwest or AmTran?

I am reasonably sure I have seen an ATA 757-300 depart from DCA - especially memorable because they were using the callsign AmTran xxxx-heavy, but (cue the X-files theme music here) there is not a single photograph on this site, myaviation.net or even the other competing sites of a 757-300 ever at DCA. So either I have a very vivid imagination or that was a one-of substitution that I saw.



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User currently offlineAamr From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9495 times:

Quoting WestWing (Reply 19):
but (cue the X-files theme music here) there is not a single photograph on this site, myaviation.net or even the other competing sites of a 757-300 ever at DCA.

Well....it IS just a few miles from CIA headquarters. If anyone could make evidence disappear......

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User currently offlinePlanegeek From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9450 times:

Further to the DC-10 landing in 1998 ...

I was at DCA that day waiting for a flight and staring out the window. Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw the UA DC-10 on approach. It was a beautiful landing, and took the entire runway. Once on the ground the plane was parked on the tarmac by the (old) CO/NW gates while UA tried to figure out how to get the pax off the plane. Apparently none of the fixed jet bridges could go that high, nor could the portable stairs. I did see the ground crew try to improvise by putting a ladder on the back of a truck, but that was only to communicate with flight crew -- it wasn't stable enough to allow passengers to get off the plane. IIRC they had to truck in larger mobile stairs from Dulles to get the pax off the plane. I had to leave before seeing how that problem was resolved. Does anyone know?


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9336 times:

Quote:
I am reasonably sure I have seen an ATA 757-300 depart from DCA - especially memorable because they were using the callsign AmTran xxxx-heavy, but (cue the X-files theme music here) there is not a single photograph on this site, myaviation.net or even the other competing sites of a 757-300 ever at DCA.

It is possible it was a 757-300, but after several incidents of wake vortices accidents, all 757's are referred to as "heavies". It has to do with engine power rather than size - a warning to light aircraft to STAY CLEAR!!!



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User currently offlineC680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9291 times:

Quoting Planegeek (Reply 21):
IIRC they had to truck in larger mobile stairs from Dulles to get the pax off the plane. I had to leave before seeing how that problem was resolved. Does anyone know?

I believe that is correct. While I have no first hand knowledge, that was the story going 'round the hangar.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9263 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 22):

It is possible it was a 757-300, but after several incidents of wake vortices accidents, all 757's are referred to as "heavies". It has to do with engine power rather than size - a warning to light aircraft to STAY CLEAR!!!

There are 752s that are not heavies under the FAR definition because they do not meet the minimum weight requirement. I'll find you the section hopefully, though if someone else knows it, they'll hopefully post it.



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25 PHLBOS : When DCA's Terminal B/C was being designed back in the early '90s; I believe I saw 2 maybe 3 gates/parking positions on the aircraft parking layout p
26 RICguy : Back in the early to mid 1980s I remember seeing a DL 767 departing from DCAs main runway.
27 Post contains links Viscount724 : The 4-engine jets (707/DC-8/Convair 880 and 990) never operated from DCA on scheduled flights, but there was at least one special Pan Am 707 departure
28 FutureATP : Someone needs to dig up an old schedule from summer 91 and summer 92 or 93. Those are the only times i have been out of DCA. I know for a fact on one
29 777fan : This is the kind of stuff I was hoping to find when I started the thread. Cool. DCA's website is actually pretty interesting and features a lot of im
30 Expatmatt : IIRC, the UA DC-10 that landed at DCA had the pax offloaded and then bussed to IAD. The plane was fueled up for the short hop back to IAD, without pax
31 Post contains links Expatmatt : Folks, there is a Washington Post article on 04/18/98 with all of the facts and details and even some pax quotes. You can either pay $3.95 to obtain i
32 Cba : I recall that AA specifically proposed a folding wing 777 so that they could fly it into LGA and have it fit into current gates... of course, they di
33 Boeinglover24 : That would be an awesome site ain't it? Granted it won't probably happen,i mean a DC10 flying river visual, over Gravelly point then landing at Rwy19.
34 BDL2STL2PVG : IIRC Eastern was required to buck up for some modifications to strenghten part of the runway due to the increased load that the A300 would produce. I
35 Post contains links Aviateur : That is not true. The 757 does not share the "heavy" distinction over the radio -- notorious as the 757's vortices are. A 1990 study by the U.S. Nati
36 Cubsrule : Some do, some don't. All 753s do. It depends on MTOW. If it's greater than, IIRC, 225,000 pounds, it's a heavy. If it's not, it's not a heavy.
37 Aviateur : Ah, yes, you're correct. I didn't realize the posters were referring to the 757-300 specifically. Apologies for typing faster than I think. - PS
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