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User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3090 times:

Hello everyone, did a search for a related topic but found nothing, so here we go !!!

How come everybody is so quiet on the Mexican front ? No body has bothered to open a thread and invite comments on the announcement by Aeromexico to start non stop service to SAP and MGA from Mexico City. Yes, just heard it on the radio this morning !!!

Well, we all understand that AM an MX have been loosing grounds domestically, but kindly allow me to ask:

Are San Pedro Sula in Honduras and Managua in Nicaragua well studied and feasible routes for Aeromexico to be opened ??? If so, what´s the market there ?

I have no details on the schedules and frequencies, have not checked Aeromexico´s website but it just comes to my mind, can AM fill up a 73G on any given day of the week to those destinations ? What would be their marketing strategy ? Any feasibility study to back up such a decision ?

Kindly forgive me if am wrong, but it looks to me that AM is desperately trying to maintain aircraft utilization no matter what.

Yes, the LCCs have eroded into our two legacy carriers... They are just taking such a big chunk !!!

Now, you are the bosses, I remain looking forward to having your expert and authoritative comments.

Thank you all.

Best regards


No matter how you fly...just never get your wings clipped !
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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5882 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3087 times:

73G might be a bit big to those destinations......maybe if it was MEX-SPS-MGA-SPS-MEX....

IMHO....these won't last.....



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32175 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3083 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 1):
73G might be a bit big to those destinations......maybe if it was MEX-SPS-MGA-SPS-MEX....

IMHO....these won't last.....

I agree, non-stop service to Wichita Falls, Kansas (SPS) won't last at all.  Wink

FYI, San Pedro Sula is SAP.



a.
User currently offlineAer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1044 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3037 times:

In Central American Sky Thread- Numero 10! we were discussing the arrival of AM to GUA. So we're just waiting for them.


nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5197 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3008 times:

Quoting XA744 (Thread starter):
How come everybody is so quiet on the Mexican front?

Good question! I think several here are working more... the ones who are in the industry and some others like APM Group, friends, Rojo, Pzurita1 and me are enjoying every part of it with low fares and flying here and there!!! I've tried Volaris and Interjet lately, i'm doing Avolar two times in the next two weeks and i hope i can soon try Viva Aerobús... as well as Click for August and I'm already ready again for LAS this December with MX as i just did last February to LAS to with MX. And if more good fares and availability of days in my schedule open, i'll sure be flying again!!!!

Quoting XA744 (Thread starter):
Well, we all understand that AM an MX have been loosing grounds domestically, but kindly allow me to ask:

AM has lost, MX hasn't lost, in fact, they increased its shared last 06 on their own brand as well as Click for 2005 and 2006 it's been the biggest Low Fare Carrier and with its 20 frames in fleet this year, they will continue to do so, but perhaps Viva or either Volaris will be the first in 2008. Viva is stupidly growing and doing the things as a true LCC... other carrier with a true LCC model is Avolar.

Quoting XA744 (Thread starter):
Kindly forgive me if am wrong, but it looks to me that AM is desperately trying to maintain aircraft utilization no matter what.

Yes, this venture to SAP and MGA is a very risky, it would have been better to fly GUA, PTY or SJO.... i think they will only do 3X to each destination, but still, very risky.

Quoting XA744 (Thread starter):
Yes, the LCCs have eroded into our two legacy carriers...

AM is the only one loosing, MX was less dependent to domestic traffic, and they have wisely rerouted its frames and fleet to international destinations, opened a few others with their own frames and brand as well as testing Click in some other regions. MX is flying Airbus mainly with only 3 Boeings in fleet.. they have a very nice fleet commonality which help them in sooooo many ways. As for AM, i wouldn't have any idea where to start to put everything in order... well, i think, for good, i would reduce and try to stop and retire the MD80 fleet ASAP as well as some other little things but ahh i have no time to keep going today.

Quoting XA744 (Thread starter):
They are just taking such a big chunk !!!

Yes, so far, they already have gotten the 30% of market share and its increasing day by day...!!!

ASUR and GACN are very happy... and as always... GAP is the most stupid airport group blocking here and there to Viva and others...



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineCessnalady From Mexico, joined May 2004, 310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3003 times:

A full-page promotional appeared today in the Reforma newspaper, announcing non-stop services to MGA and SAP.

Nothwithstanding, the AM website still has'nt been loaded with these two destinations yet.

As per the AM Call Center operators, there will be 2x/week flights to MEX>SAP>MEX as of June 5, and 2x to MGA as of June 7. Equipment shown is MD87, subject to change. Departures from MEX will be at 11:10 AM to SAP and 11:20 AM to MGA.

Marie


User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2693 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2862 times:

Quoting Cessnalady (Reply 5):
As per the AM Call Center operators, there will be 2x/week flights to MEX>SAP>MEX as of June 5, and 2x to MGA as of June 7. Equipment shown is MD87, subject to change. Departures from MEX will be at 11:10 AM to SAP and 11:20 AM to MGA.

The probability for success is rather low ~ from a very basic analysis.

It would make more sense to test out the market first by sending AeroLitoral's ERJ's several times a week, rather than limiting the product to twice weekly for each destination. These schedules are uncompetitive. AM needs to capture TACA and COPA's clientele. Having a nonstop product between the two points with a 5x a week service (to begin with) would AeroMexico a competitive advantage over its Central American competitors.

Even a MEX-SAP-MGA-MEX 4x with an MD-87 seems to make more sense when targeting the business travelers.

AM's route planning people have a much different strategy than the route planning dept of Mexicana. I don't know if AM's strategy makes any sense to me (at this point).

  Smile LatinPlane

[Edited 2007-05-10 08:57:36]

User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2820 times:

I read on elnorte.com that Central American governments have visited Mexico frequently to promote their countries to Mexican tourists and investors. Maybe it is starting to pay off.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 4):
Yes, this venture to SAP and MGA is a very risky, it would have been better to fly GUA, PTY or SJO.... i think they will only do 3X to each destination, but still, very risky

Agree.

I think the larger Embraers, whenever they get them, will be perfectly suited for Central American. An MD80 could be a bit to big for SAP and MGA, even twice a week.


User currently offlinePecevanne From Mexico, joined Jun 2004, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

Hi guys, very, very thin markets, both.
MXA flew to Managua with very low load facctors, even with a combination with San Salvador.
I remember well the comercial efforts to raise factors, nothing happens.
So I only have to say, good luck AM.
My poin of view is that central america operation is only a little sale publicity.


User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4748 posts, RR: 32
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2702 times:

Quoting XA744 (Thread starter):
the announcement by Aeromexico to start non stop service to SAP and MGA from Mexico City

Y Guate para cuándo?  confused  The announcement was a couple of weeks ago, but there's no starting date yet...



Being a pioneer in any field is not by itself a guarantee of continued success - Pan Am, anyone?
User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2686 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 4):
Yes, this venture to SAP and MGA is a very risky, it would have been better to fly GUA, PTY or SJO

Yes indeed, we all were waiting for AM to start their Cntral American tour by opening Guatemala first, just like our Guatemalan a.netter and friend Aer pointed out.

Quoting Cessnalady (Reply 5):
there will be 2x/week flights to MEX>SAP>MEX as of June 5, and 2x to MGA as of June 7.

Well, with such limited frequencies to both destinations, it looks to me that Aeromexico will be taking a dive into a dry pool.

[quote=Latinplane,reply=6]Even a MEX-SAP-MGA-MEX 4x with an MD-87 seems to make more sense when targeting the business travelers.

Absolutely, I think this would be a more suitable move.

Quoting Pecevanne (Reply 8):
MXA flew to Managua with very low load facctors, even with a combination with San Salvador

Yes I remembar that. What a shame they couldn´t make it work. I also remember when COPA used to have MEX-PTY, some days with stopover at MGA and some days with stopover at SAP using a 732. I took that flight quite a few times. Approaching San Pedro over the huge banana plantations is such an exhilarating experience !!!

Best regards



No matter how you fly...just never get your wings clipped !
User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2633 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 4):
Yes, this venture to SAP and MGA is a very risky, it would have been better to fly GUA, PTY or SJO.... i think they will only do 3X to each destination, but still, very risky.

Both SAP and MGA could be considered somewhat mature markets now which could sustain MEX non-stop flights provided that there are plenty of connections available @ MEX and specially if MEX-SAP/MGA is done evenings and MGA/SAP-MEX early mornings.
I don't know about SAP-MEX loads when CM flew that route, but I flew PTY-MGA-MEX and lots of passengers boarded overthere, even then, there was a demand. As why CM flew to MEX via SAP/MGA, their B737-200 didn't have the range for non-stop MEX-PTY w/full pax.



I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2431 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

Quoting XA744 (Thread starter):
Are San Pedro Sula in Honduras and Managua in Nicaragua well studied and feasible routes for Aeromexico to be opened ??? If so, what´s the market there ?

My guess is that Conesa, being an economist, knows a lot about price elasticity, but as all economists, they just know how to calculate it Ceteris Paribus... he and his colleague's don't have a clue about price elasticity in the airline industry, but let them cross subsidize routes like AUS, SAP, MGA, BOS, etc which in the end will prove unfeasible.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 4):
Good question! I think several here are working more... the ones who are in the industry and some others like APM Group, friends, Rojo, Pzurita1 and me are enjoying every part of it with low fares and flying here and there!!! I've tried Volaris and Interjet lately, i'm doing Avolar two times in the next two weeks and i hope i can soon try Viva Aerobús... as well as Click for August and I'm already ready again for LAS this December with MX as i just did last February to LAS to with MX. And if more good fares and availability of days in my schedule open, i'll sure be flying again!!!!

You are right, this will be a year in which I will log many hours flying on airplanes. Just did MEX-LAX-AKL-ZQN-CHC / PCN-WLG-SYD-AKL-LAX-DFW-MEX in 10 days. Amazing trip!!!! If I did not have to work, I will be flying all over Mexico and the US with the amazing fares we have seen in the market. Some are too low to let them pass, like my next trips: MEX-LAX-MEX for US$120 all in or MEX-DFW-DEN-DFW-MEX for US$180 all in.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 4):
AM has lost, MX hasn't lost, in fact, they increased its shared last 06 on their own brand as well as Click for 2005 and 2006 it's been the biggest Low Fare Carrier and with its 20 frames in fleet this year, they will continue to do so, but perhaps Viva or either Volaris will be the first in 2008. Viva is stupidly growing and doing the things as a true LCC... other carrier with a true LCC model is Avolar.

What can I say... Viva is doing things the right way. After all, the ones that will survive this blood bath are those with the lowest CASM, and Viva has a very low one. We are starting to see Interjet struggle so they want to compensate low yields with a fuel surcharge of US$25 per segment. Don't think it will work!! It is amazing that they keep their A320's with a 150 seat configuration and still market themselves as a kind of LCC. Why not configure them with 180 seats like Vueling does in Spain? I know TLC is a high and hot airport, but for the routes they are flying (TLC to CJS and CUN should be the farthest ones) it shouldn't be a problem. With Azteca going out of business, most airlines in Mexico could breath a little bit, but competition will keep going and at least one has to go down.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 4):
AM is the only one loosing, MX was less dependent to domestic traffic, and they have wisely rerouted its frames and fleet to international destinations, opened a few others with their own frames and brand as well as testing Click in some other regions. MX is flying Airbus mainly with only 3 Boeings in fleet.. they have a very nice fleet commonality which help them in sooooo many ways. As for AM, i wouldn't have any idea where to start to put everything in order... well, i think, for good, i would reduce and try to stop and retire the MD80 fleet ASAP as well as some other little things but ahh i have no time to keep going today.

I keep saying, the ones that will lose the game will be the those with a high CASM. It is impossible for AM or MX to compete with airlines like Viva or Volaris who still have a very low CASM. MX is trying to lower its CASM by signing new contracts with Unions, but things are complicated and FA do not want to give away their contract. This is why we have started to see a migration from domestic to the international routes. But wait for the LCC's to start flying those routes, it will be another blood bath...

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To wrap up I just want to add that us, customers, are enjoying every part of this blood bath. It makes me remember TAESA in 1993 when you could fly MEX-TIJ-MEX for US$30 all in... too bad for the airlines, but they just don't understand that customers are price sensitive and that flying on an airplane has become a commodity, therefore, price elasticity becomes a very important piece for the airlines. I don't say business people will stop flying AM or MX, but they are just not enough to justify so many flights they have...


User currently offlineOrbis From Mexico, joined Dec 2003, 244 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2595 times:

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 6):
The probability for success is rather low ~ from a very basic analysis.

Although not the same market, and with all proportions observed: The very same was said about AM´s MEX-TIJ-NRT venture.

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 6):
It would make more sense to test out the market first by sending AeroLitoral's ERJ's several times a week,

That´s the whole idea AFAIK, as soon as the E190´s arrive (if the market proves to be that thin)

I do not know about the Visa requirements for Nicaragua and El salvador citizens to transit through MEX, let say to Europe via AM or AF,or to Cancun or other Mexican beaches. This might be the main reason for those flights since it seem to be a very little O&D market from/to MEX.

Now, regarding the rest of the replies, I must add respectfully from a strictly personal and service oriented point of view. DOMESTICALLY:

1. The only true full service carrier remains in AM. As I have stated in other threads, MX Ejecutiva service is non existent. MX is gradually replacing some of their main routes to Click. (i.e. MEX-VSA, MEX-OAX, even some GDL-MEX)

2. My guess is that AM strategy will focuse on the High yield and frequent passenger. AM´s is renovating and opening new Clase Premier lounges whereas MX is closing or barely keeping theirs. Also, new AM´s 737-800 feature now 24 Clase Premier seats. AM´s FFP tries to keep customer happy. MX´s Frecuenta not.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 12):
You are right, this will be a year in which I will log many hours flying on airplanes. Just did MEX-LAX-AKL-ZQN-CHC / PCN-WLG-SYD-AKL-LAX-DFW-MEX in 10 days. Amazing trip!!!! If I did not have to work, I will be flying all over Mexico and the US with the amazing fares we have seen in the market. Some are too low to let them pass, like my next trips: MEX-LAX-MEX for US$120 all in or MEX-DFW-DEN-DFW-MEX for US$180 all in.

ok, to finish let me show off too. GDL-SFO-HKG-SIN-NRT-LAX-ORD-GDL. (in SQ´s F BTW. Used my MX miles before the SQ redemtion table raised!) That was in Jan. then I flew TWICE the glorious Clase Premier MEX-TIJ-NRT and back. Then it was the turn for GDL-MEX-JFK-FRA-TGL and back. (BTW. If you have the chance try SQ´s JFK-FRA flight. cheap and of course amazing in service). And all that beside my weekly (alternated) flights GDL-TIJ, TIJ-MEX, GDL-OAX (on Avolar and Aerolitoral´s E145´s, cheap and so far reliable, although Avolar planes are dirty and apparently poorly mantained) GDL-MEX-VSA several times both on MX (Click lately) and AM. I flew a couple of times on Alma GDL-PBC. and GDL-PVR. Great sharp and clean service. And last weekend I flew GDL-MEX-CUN on AM where BTW I has the chance of closely picturing a Cubana TU-154. And I could go for lines but I don´t mean to be that heavy..... Smile

I agree. It is the best of times for us plane lovers. I just can´t get enough.



we should live our lives as if we were really alive!!! H.M.
User currently offlineJopavon From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 304 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2574 times:

Quoting Orbis (Reply 13):
1. The only true full service carrier remains in AM. As I have stated in other threads, MX Ejecutiva service is non existent. MX is gradually replacing some of their main routes to Click. (i.e. MEX-VSA, MEX-OAX, even some GDL-MEX)

AM is doing about the same on some routes leaving AeroLitoral planes instead of AM metal.



Come fly Mexicana, to Mexico!
User currently offlineJRDC930 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2536 times:

I wish AM were in a better position domestically, to me they are the most prestigious airline of Mexico, thats not landlocked to the American continent. I am somewhat astounded that Mexico's only REAL intercontinental airline is doing somewhat poorly. I guess MX just has better frequencies on their short-medum range service model. Its frustrating to see MX stuck in the Americas with no foreseeable plans to expand out of continent in the NEAR future. At least the LCC's are doing well, im going to fly with Avolar for the first time from TIJ-GDL for an astoundingly cheap fare, 286 bucks for three people! Now admittedly AM is my favorite airline (JR is as well obviously,) but its just too hard to resist those cheap fares! Im glad Mexican aviation is doing well, i hope some one kick starts the threads about Mexican aviation again, its getting a little boring around here without Mexican aviation.  Smile

User currently offlineAer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1044 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

Comment in Prensa Libre about the future AM ops. at GUA.

It pretty much states that they might start on June 15. It's just not defined if it will be from Mexico City or Guadalajara.

They also acquired the 5th right from Guatemala and that could spell that they will fly between Central American countries.

Despegue: Viene AeroMéxico

AeroMéxico, una línea aérea con un modelo de negocio tradicional, empezará sus operaciones en Guatemala a partir del 15 de junio, informó Stan Berton, gerente de servicios aeroportuarios de la compañía extranjera. La compañía no ha definido si la ruta será desde el Distrito Federal o Guadalajara.

“Ya tenemos el derecho de quinta libertad (para entrar al país), y tenemos planes de hacer un enlace en los tres países centroamericanos, como Honduras, Nicaragua y Guatemala”, explicó.

Daniel Mooney, director del Instituto Guatemalteco de Turismo, recordó que hay otra línea pendiente de abrir operaciones en el país.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5197 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

Quoting Pecevanne (Reply 8):
Hi guys, very, very thin markets, both.
MXA flew to Managua with very low load facctors, even with a combination with San Salvador.
I remember well the comercial efforts to raise factors, nothing happens.

Such a shame AM isn't considering history, i would even say.. some traffic stats... the area is a difficult region because of TA and CM which have been doing beautifully throught its hubs!!! That sure will be a blood war!!! Lets see if it lasts.. i see more feasible the permanence of GUA.

Quoting Pecevanne (Reply 8):
So I only have to say, good luck AM.
My poin of view is that central america operation is onçy a little sale publicity.

Indeed, good luck!!!

Quoting Rojo (Reply 12):
My guess is that Conesa, being an economist, knows a lot about price elasticity, but as all economists, they just know how to calculate it Ceteris Paribus... he and his colleague's don't have a clue about price elasticity in the airline industry, but let them cross subsidize routes like AUS, SAP, MGA, BOS, etc which in the end will prove unfeasible.

He might knows about taxes or economy but he sure doesn't know a thing about aviation!!! What a shame!!!

Quoting Rojo (Reply 12):
Don't think it will work!! It is amazing that they keep their A320's with a 150 seat configuration and still market themselves as a kind of LCC. Why not configure them with 180 seats like Vueling does in Spain? I

More seats to the market??? You want AM to keep struggling in the domestic market??? Sure that could work but, it would sure be great for IJ, but dunno about the rest!!!

Quoting Rojo (Reply 12):
With Azteca going out of business, most airlines in Mexico could breath a little bit, but competition will keep going and at least one has to go down.

Wait for ZE!!! They will return this year, most probably, near to the end of June 07.

Quoting Orbis (Reply 13):
Although not the same market, and with all proportions observed: The very same was said about AM´s MEX-TIJ-NRT venture.

Don't sing victory yet!!! Route is still tested, some say it will be increased to 3X, if ever.. that 4th B777 makes it.. other say, it will be slashed.. i know exactly what month but i better wait for it to happen or just hopefully, service continues!!!!



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineJuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2264 times:

Hey what about a route like this one. I think it could work.

4 Weekly MEX-GUA-MGA-GUA-MEX
3 Weekly MEX-GUA-SAP-GUA-MEX

Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

Quoting Juanchito (Reply 18):
Hey what about a route like this one. I think it could work.

4 Weekly MEX-GUA-MGA-GUA-MEX
3 Weekly MEX-GUA-SAP-GUA-MEX

Not sure about that. On short flights like these, passengers hate multi-stops. AM could fly to every major city in Central America using both mainline and Aerolitoral.

MEX-PTY and MEX-SJO could support an MD 80 or 737.
The rest of Central America could be started with RJs, and see how it does.
GUA is too big for an ERJ145, and too small for an MD80. This is where the larger Embraer could come in.


User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2201 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 19):
Not sure about that. On short flights like these, passengers hate multi-stops

Juanchito, I can see Juventus´ point here.

To me, GUA, SJO and PTY, in a combination of non-stops and cabotage 5th freedom rights, could easily support AM as an additional carrier. No doubt revenues and yields would slightly go down for everyone involved in services to this area, but with the right strategies by airlines, high load factors could be kept at very profitable levels.

Best regards



No matter how you fly...just never get your wings clipped !
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7523 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

I had stayed out of this discussion because I have had little time lately and because I was not sure of what to say. I understand that non-stop flights between Central America and Mexico are usually expensive and highly demanded. I have never had the chance to visit Central America, but I do have a close friend whose fiancé commutes regularly between GUA and MEX and whenever we talk about the fares, I am always shocked. In my capacity as armchair CEO, I think I would have done MEX-GUA-SAP-[GUA-]MEX and MEX-GUA-MGA-[GUA-]MEX 3 and 4x weekly like some of you have suggested, rather than start flights to two destinations that appear quite difficult... with fifth freedom rights and the warranty that the MEX-GUA-MEX flights will be full, the opportunity for success seems a bit more realistic. Anyway, I guess we will only know if this was a good idea or not after a few months, so let's wait and see. Like someone mentioned, many doubted MEX-TIJ-NRT would work and look... it is doing better than we expected. Let's hope the same happens here. I don't know how efficient the MD87 is, but it seems the best mainline choice given its 100 pax capacity.

By the way, I have 2 questions:

1. What is going to happen with the 87s? It seems the leases of the 88s will be terminated and the planes returned to the lessors as discussed in a separate thread. Will the 87s stay as niche aircraft serving routes like these, where anything else would be too big, or is AM considering replacing them with 736s or, better yet, E-190s? I would love to see E-190s in the mainline fleet, but if 5D is to get them, that is awesome too!

2. Honduras seems to have nice scuba diving places and other semi-hidden paradises for eco-tourists. Is anybody aware of a joint effort between AM and the Honduran government/travel agencies/resort companies to promote the AM flights to SAP throughout Mexico? At the right price (air fare), I would seriously consider a long weekend at a beautiful beach in Honduras and I am sure many others would do too!



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineJuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2123 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 19):
Not sure about that. On short flights like these, passengers hate multi-stops. AM could fly to every major city in Central America using both mainline and Aerolitoral.



Quoting Juventus (Reply 19):
Juanchito, I can see Juventus´ point here.

I understand both of you, but if you are in MGA or SAP, you will need to have a connection on SAL by TA. CM frequet flyers could used this flights to earn miles insted of going all the way to PTY.
I live in Guatemala and I will have a 3 choices to travel to MEX, 3 to MGA and 2 to SAP.

Regards,

Juanchito

[Edited 2007-05-14 02:33:45]


Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2115 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 21):
At the right price (air fare), I would seriously consider a long weekend at a beautiful beach in Honduras and I am sure many others would do too!

Count me in, lets go for a long weekend Avioncitos meeting in Roatan !!! .....  

Best regards

[Edited 2007-05-14 02:37:31]


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