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734 In A Tent At PDX  
User currently offlineEIPremier From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1550 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4179 times:

I saw a photo taken a couple days ago of an AS 734 out-of-service at PDX with a white tent-like structure over the front of the fuselage. Apparently there was an incident on 4/28 in which a 734 was hit (by a ground power unit??) while at the gate at PDX, and was wondering if it's the same plane, and if so, was the airplane was seriously damaged?

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3946 times:

Must be this one. From FAA daily incident reports website:

IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 756AS Make/Model: B737 Description: 737
Date: 04/27/2007 Time: 0810

Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Unknown

LOCATION
City: PORTLAND State: OR Country: US

DESCRIPTION
ALASKA AIRLINES ASA408, N756AS, A BOEING 737 AIRCRAFT, WHILE BOARDING PASSENGERS, A POWER UNIT STRUCK THE AIRCRAFT, NO INJURIES REPORTED, DAMAGE IS UNKNOWN, PORTLAND, OR


User currently offlineEIPremier From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1550 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3868 times:

Thanks for finding that. Well, it doesn't sound like a very serious incident, so I'm surprised that the aircraft appears to still be out-of-service (at least there are no ACARS records of it since 4/28). I saw it sitting there when I was at pdx 10 days ago.

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3752 times:

Quoting EIPremier (Reply 2):
Well, it doesn't sound like a very serious incident,

..serious enough to probably punch some kind of hole in the fuselage. The fact that it's being repaired under the tent at PDX suggests that the aircraft couldn't be MX ferried..

Sometimes, ya gotta fix'em where ever they happen to be...

[Edited 2007-05-10 22:19:15]

User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3747 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3):
.seriousnenough to probably punch some kind of hole in the fuselage. The factnthat it's being repaired under the tent at PDX suggests that the aircraft couldn't be MX ferried..

Sometimes, ya gotta fix'em where ever they happen to be...

At least it's at a station that's less than a 3 hour drive from Boeing's manufacturing ops, and also happens to be QX's maintenance base...  Wink



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User currently offlineLHPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3640 times:

I was wondering why an alaska 737 was tucked away over by the Horizon matainance area...

User currently offlineAsqx From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3494 times:

It looks to be a nice sized hole. From the photos it appears to be just below the R1 door.

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User currently offlineSocalatc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3426 times:

Attack of the killer Menzies!!!

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3399 times:

Looks like it'll be coming out of someone's check under "Other Deductions" for the next couple of decades...  Wink

User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3349 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
Looks like it'll be coming out of someone's check under "Other Deductions" for the next couple of decades... Wink

Ouch! Is this how airlines typically handle ramp rash?  scared 



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User currently offlineKBFIspotter From United States of America, joined May 2005, 729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3305 times:

They talked about the possibility of nosing it into the QX hanger, but it would have effectively blocked the hanger to all QX aircraft, so the next best option is to put up a tent around it. I have seen Boeing do this before when doing AOG repairs. I believe a Boeing AOG team is doing the work. I was told it looks like it will be there for several weeks.

Kris



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3305 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 9):
Ouch! Is this how airlines typically handle ramp rash?

No, that was an attempt at humor... Insurance covers damage like that, but I think the deductibles involved are alot higher than $500...  Wink


User currently offlineFlyPBA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3026 times:

Boeing fixed a JAL 747 (IIRC) in a similar fashion up in Anchorage a while back ... and it was in much much much worse shape than this

User currently offlineAirlineBrat From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2991 times:

Here is another image. I was flying out of PDX on QX 2309 (PDX-RDD-ACV) on 7 May 2007.

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Picture of 754AS (737-400) being repaired in PDX. Note tent.



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6200 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2980 times:

It was an air-start unit and the repairs are out of AS hands now. Boeing has been on-site for a few days to work on the A/C. Same thing happened when CO put a basketball size hole in a 2 week old -900 here at SFO a while back. Alaska can and will fix something only so big, then the big guns are called in like in this case.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2792 times:

Quoting FlyPBA (Reply 12):
Boeing fixed a JAL 747 (IIRC) in a similar fashion up in Anchorage a while back ... and it was in much much much worse shape than this

Yes, the JL 747-200 incident at ANC was over 30 years ago, December 16, 1975. Slid off a snow-covered taxiway and went backwards down a 50-foot high embankment. I think the insurance company came close to writing it off. Repairs cost about $20 million, which in 1975 was over half the price of a new 747. The aircraft was only 18 months old.

I think it was one of the largest on-site Boeing repair jobs ever, and was complicated by having to do it in the open air. As I recall it required replacement of a couple of fuselage sections, engines, landing gear, among other things. The aircraft was returned to service 9 months later in September 1976.

It was this aircraft (photo taken a year after it returned to service):


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Photo © Frank C. Duarte Jr.



Incident summary and the NTSB accident report:
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19751216-0
http://www.airdisaster.com/reports/ntsb/AAR76-12.pdf

[Edited 2007-05-12 03:09:59]

User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2615 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 9):
Ouch! Is this how airlines typically handle ramp rash?

Seems it took a hit some time before in just below the new damage, that repair will be removed and included in the repair of the new damage. I am sure Boeing has a good skin-stringer-frame repair in the 737 Structural Repair Manual that can be used to accomplish the repair.

A typical Boeing lap joint repair in the can be seen in the first picture in Reply 6.


User currently offlineWeAreUnited From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 423 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2469 times:

Quoting Socalatc (Reply 7):
Attack of the killer Menzies!!!

Haha!!


At least the crew and ground staff knew (although it was worse) about this incident before taking off... unlike the MD-80 flying from SEA-BUR. You know... the one where the Menzies ramp agent hit the plane and didn't report it. Way to look out for the best interest of the passengers!


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