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JetBlue TakeOver Speculation JetBlue Stock Soaring  
User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13892 times:

Just over BloomBerg JetBlue maybe a target for a Takeover.

Bloomberg for some reason said

DELTA maybe the one that speculator's believe will take them over.

Delta stock has also been going up.

67 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineGraphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13771 times:

All you gotta do is give your top exec the boot and now all of a sudden you're "A target for takeover" ... can you believe the media today?  Wink

User currently offlineExusair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13699 times:

Here's the benefits to Delta:

By the way this has been swirling around for a while now....

- Non unionized workforce. Much easier to integrate since all JB employees are on 5 year contracts, including the pilots.

- Instant hub at JFK in superior facilities. Install an FIS facility in either T-5 or T-6.

- Embraer aircraft. Planes DL wants for their 100 seat markets.

- Many JB executives are former DL managers. Makes operational integration easier.

- Very few overlapping routes with the exception of Florida markets.

- Eliminate a Florida competitor.

- Triangulate a deal with Boeing to resell A320's in exchange for more 737-800's or with Embraer for more E190's OR keep A-320's as replacements for MD-88's until Boeing RS is introduced.


User currently offlineBOS2LAF From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13699 times:

Delta taking over JetBlue? That has to make less sense than US taking over DL or FL taking over YX.

If JetBlue is involved in any sort of merger or takeover, the first name that pops into my mind is Frontier.

-Complimentary route structures
-Fleet commonality
-Comparable on-board product


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11840 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13570 times:

If, indeed, this is real, I highly doubt that Delta would ever be allowed to take over JetBlue. Even if they could get JetBlue's Board to agree to it -- which I just don't see given the huge "spiritual" betrayal that would seem to be -- they would never get this past Washington. I think Chuck Schumer would definitely have a few choice words to say about this.

[Edited 2007-05-10 19:03:17]

User currently offlineMptpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13538 times:

Frontier and JetBlue could be better partners than DL and JB. Same airframe, DirecTV, very little overlap, similar values and mission...

User currently offlineCrogalski From United States of America, joined May 2005, 514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13498 times:

Quoting Exusair (Reply 2):
- Non unionized workforce. Much easier to integrate since all JB employees are on 5 year contracts, including the pilots.

Where do you get all employees are on 5 year locks from?



A319 A320 B717 B727 B737 B747 B757 B767 C152 C172 DC9 E145 E190 MD88 PA28 | B6 CO DL FL NK NW LO TW
User currently offlineToltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3304 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13469 times:

Quoting Exusair (Reply 2):
Here's the benefits to Delta:

By the way this has been swirling around for a while now....

- Non unionized workforce. Much easier to integrate since all JB employees are on 5 year contracts, including the pilots.

With the exception of pilots and another small group (escapes me right now), all DL employees are non-union. They don't even have a similar "5 yr employment contract". DL employees are "at-will". B6 pilots would have to be merged into the DL system seniority list and become ALPA members.


User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13446 times:

Reply: BOS2LAF From United States,

Complete TakeOver of JetBlue by Delta.

Delta takesover as the number one airline for domestic service out of New York City. Keeps JetBlue business policy.

What does Frontier have to do with anything? First off there will not be any problem with the Monopoly laws.

JetBlue building a new terminal, Delta can right away dump there Terminal for a big amount of money. or close it for a while remodel it and takeover New York with there terminal 5 6 7 with an unbelievable amount of slots, the same way they own Atlanta.

Delta can not afford it? I am sure Boeing would not be against this takeover as they will get an airline which is growing that has right now 125 Airbus A320. The airline business is growing more passangers traveling they will eventually have to order more planes. The 125 A320 could be sold without a problem with all there added extras. The Russians (Not Aeroflot) would take probably half of them.

Boeing recieves an order for 125 737-800, 100 787, 6-8 777w? seems about right. am i wrong?

JetBlue market cap is 1.9 billion.

Boeing makes 625 million dollars profit on this deal when you pull the 125 a320 at 5 million dollars a plane profit


User currently offlineExusair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13414 times:

From their Human Resources website and from conversations with JB crewmembers. It is my understanding that their F/A's and Pilots had signed 5 year employment contracts. There was also a 3 year option I recall reading about and a part time option.

User currently offlineAirFrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2827 posts, RR: 42
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13390 times:

I doubt B6 will ever tie up with a legacy. Way too many problems. I think this will force a re-examination of possible link ups in the market, specifically with FL giving B6 more control off the eastern markets, or F9 which plugs a huge hole in their route map.

User currently offlineATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13358 times:

I don't see any news headline out there for this.

User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13326 times:

How many flights do JetBlue actually compete with Delta on?

Delta could even back out of domestic travel and keep the JetBlue name, Divide the company in two.

Delta could even drop Laguardia with this and focus primarly on International and JetBlue on Domestic. Just look at the possiblites for JetBlue,

ATL, CVG, LAX, BOS, SLC this takeover benefits both sides. JetBlue could actually build up into a United States low cost carrier not just NorthEast


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13295 times:

I have said this before, gang, and will say it again. The American way is.........

if you can't compete with the competition, BUY 'EM.
safe



If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13222 times:

JetBlue (JBLU) Takeover Talk Resurfaces Following CEO Resignation
StreetInsider.com (subscription), MI - 2 hours ago
StreetInsider.com provides up-to-the-minute active trading news and information. Only the most relevant news makes it through to our members, and only what ...
JBLU

StreetInsider.com is a subsciption based airline,

Bloomberg also was talking about this about an hour ago.


User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1619 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13074 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 4):
they would never get this past Washington. I think Chuck Schumer would definitely have a few choice words to say about this.

Oh yeah, this will get through Washington without problem. Of course, this is my opinion, but certainly doable. With DL and B6 together, will they equal CO's presence at EWR? Then, of course, AA at DFW, UA at ORD/DEN, US at CLT/PHL and even DL's operation at ATL. I just don't see it as a problem.

Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 8):
Keeps JetBlue business policy

This will absolutely change. Business class will be added without a doubt.

M


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11840 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12968 times:

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 16):
Of course, this is my opinion, but certainly doable. With DL and B6 together, will they equal CO's presence at EWR? Then, of course, AA at DFW, UA at ORD/DEN, US at CLT/PHL and even DL's operation at ATL. I just don't see it as a problem.

It's not just about their aggregate market share presence at JFK, or any other airport. It's about the public image issue that all of the populist politicians running Congress (who fall all over each other to get their face in front of the camera talking about "protecting consumers") are going to face if they let America's favorite low-fares airline get gobbled up by a "high-fare" (I know, I know, not my opinion) legacy. That is going to be a really, really hard-sell with Congress. And again, I think that Chucky Schumer (who never met a news camera he didn't like) is going to do basically anything he can to stop this. Hillary will no doubt try and stop it too.


User currently offline787EWR From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12941 times:

Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 12):
How many flights do JetBlue actually compete with Delta on?

Delta and Jetblue have their biggest competition on the Northeast to Florida market, primarily JFK-MCO and FLL.

Non-Stops B6 DL

JFK-MCO - 11 4
JFK-FLL - 10 4 (up to 16 through ATL,CVG & BOS)


Delta could even back out of domestic travel and keep the JetBlue name, Divide the company in two.

I have to think this would complicate their structure, which Delta has indicated that they would simplify. While I am sure there are airlines hungry for the A-320's, they would have to retrain or dare I say, layoff hundreds of Jetblue pilots.


Delta could even drop Laguardia with this and focus primarly on International and JetBlue on Domestic. Just look at the possiblites for JetBlue,
Once again, I think there would be complications as you are increasing the size of the airline by 30 to 40% and then splitting the resources for domestic and International.


ATL, CVG, LAX, BOS, SLC this takeover benefits both sides. JetBlue could actually build up into a United States low cost carrier not just NorthEast

Definately a true statement, but will the FAA or legislation boards approve it?


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12838 times:

DL taking over B6 would be taking a play out of CO's playbook (again), CO took over PeoplExpress who had a huge domestic LCC operation at EWR. Right when CO took PE over they were about to open Terminal C.

Inthink it would be a brilliant move for DL if they do try to pull thisnoff, I wonder if this or the other rumored take over target NWA havenhad any influence in DL's decision to basically abandon their 737-800nfleet growth plans.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineSocaljoeyb From United States of America, joined May 2007, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12782 times:

Does anyone know hoe much DL + B6's presence at JFK would be compared to CO's presence at EWR?

User currently offlineIADCA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1346 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12781 times:

So far nobody's actually posted any text from any of these news reports, so it's awful hard to say what the heck is going on.

Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 8):
First off there will not be any problem with the Monopoly laws.

The federal regulators absolutely would have something to say about this merger. If you look at the statistics from the 12 months ending in September 2006 here, then type "SEP_2006_JFK.PDF" on the end of the address...for some reason it won't let me paste the full link, you will see that Delta (if you add Song to their total, which seems appropriate given Song's gone now) and JetBlue combined to carry 14,303,286 passengers domestically out of a domestic total of 21,130,823; add in Comair and their share rises to 15,274,123; that would create a combined carrier with 72.3% market share. At an airport like JFK, it's highly unlikely this would happen. The only airports with dominant carriers anywhere near that big domestically didn't get there through big mergers, so please skip the DFW and MSP analogies; EWR is a closer one, but keep in mind the greatly different context of the PeopleExpress/CO merger to today's environment.



[Edited 2007-05-10 19:50:50]

User currently offlineIADCA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1346 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12696 times:

Quoting Socaljoeyb (Reply 20):
Does anyone know hoe much DL + B6's presence at JFK would be compared to CO's presence at EWR?

According to the Port Authority, CO's combined int'l and domestic market share was 67.3 in the 12 months ending 9/06; domestic market share of CO plus CO Express was 70.6%. So the DL and B6 market share would be bigger at JFK than CO at EWR, at least domestically.

http://www.panynj.gov/CommutingTravel/airports/pdfs/traffic/ ...add SEP_2006_EWR.PDF onto the end, again it messes up when I try to post the full URL

[Edited 2007-05-10 19:46:44]

User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4289 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12550 times:

Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 8):
Complete TakeOver of JetBlue by Delta.

Delta takesover as the number one airline for domestic service out of New York City. Keeps JetBlue business policy.

What does Frontier have to do with anything? First off there will not be any problem with the Monopoly laws.

JetBlue building a new terminal, Delta can right away dump there Terminal for a big amount of money. or close it for a while remodel it and takeover New York with there terminal 5 6 7 with an unbelievable amount of slots, the same way they own Atlanta.

Delta can not afford it? I am sure Boeing would not be against this takeover as they will get an airline which is growing that has right now 125 Airbus A320. The airline business is growing more passangers traveling they will eventually have to order more planes. The 125 A320 could be sold without a problem with all there added extras. The Russians (Not Aeroflot) would take probably half of them.

Boeing recieves an order for 125 737-800, 100 787, 6-8 777w? seems about right. am i wrong?

JetBlue market cap is 1.9 billion.

Boeing makes 625 million dollars profit on this deal when you pull the 125 a320 at 5 million dollars a plane profit

While I understand your points, I have to respectfully disagree. I really don't see DL making any move for B6, let alone JetBlue accepting it. DL exited Bk, what, last week? And now everybody thinks they have the capital and the backing to pull off a takeover of this size? I don't think so. Just because Bk is now but a distant memory at the "new" Delta, they still have some work to do on their own and I don't think they are currently in a position to purchase or takeover anybody.

If I could be hypothetical and assume you were on to something, the aircraft situation would not be a problem. Airlines can operate dual fleets for months and years (ask UA and BA about operating B737s and A320s). The problem of facilities is a little more complicated - yes the new B6 terminal at JFK is going to be nice but it is not designed to handle either widebody equipment or international flights. Bang goes the idea of DL operating from T5.

Anything is possible, of course, but I don't see B6 being taken over right now, and certainly not by Delta.



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12361 times:

Richierich From United States:

You maybe right with there Terminal not having capabilty to handle WideBodies. I believe a couple of days ago someone on A.Net said that JetBlue actually has put aside room to build gates to handle WideBodies and Customs.

lets look at what Boeing has to benefit from this:
There is no possible way if a merger would go through that Delta/JetBlue would be flying Airbus 320. Boeing owns a very large stake of Delta Stock. Technically they are one of the decision makers now. 125 737-800 at 5 million dollars profit per plane (I do not know how much Boeing makes on there 737s most likely more than I am calculating) equals 625 Million Dollars just on the planes not counting how much money everyone is going to make right away with the Stock Shooting through the roof.

Delta order from Boeing for widebodies 100-125? 787

Does anyone know how much percentage of stock Boeing actually owns of Delta?

Now, Delta owns out right a very expensive peice of property at JFK. within two years time JetBlue will own a large, brand new peice of property at JFK. Delta could invest some money and build a widebody wing at JetBlues new terminal and than start thinking of what to do with there property.

Even if JetBlue does not get bought out they will eventually build a brand new widebody wing for international carriers, Make it into a smaller terminal 4 (International) to have the international carriers connected to the terminal selling tickets to all over the country JetBlue operates. (CodeShare with Incentives) Plus, JetBlue will be there landlord.

As for percentage of domestic travel from JFK, you can not count 72%
Technically there was no real domestic service from JFK before 2000, That is what LaGuardia is for. LaGuardia is anyway cheaper now and there are still 25 million people who travel from there yearly.

So, Basically thats it pull out of LaGuardia which is 15-30 mins away from JFK to take LCC service to anywhere in the country.

American Airlines has a huge presence at JFK did they ever try to build up a domestic service out of there? Not Really!

EWR is and always was the domestic and international airport of New Jersey. they are not in New York and they cost 15 dollars plus gas to travel there for anyone who lives in New York.


User currently offlineIADCA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1346 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12247 times:

Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 24):
Does anyone know how much percentage of stock Boeing actually owns of Delta?

I can tell you it's not a majority, which is what counts here. The issue of co-ownership of airlines and a manufacturer was shot down years and years ago with the Air Mail Act of 1934 (the issue at hand then was Boeing and United).

Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 24):
There is no possible way if a merger would go through that Delta/JetBlue would be flying Airbus 320.

Congratulations, you managed to defeat your own point in one paragraph. That theory is exactly why the co-ownership rules exist.

Not to mention that it would be really dumb for a company to dump a huge fleet of quite new 320s and 190s and leave themselves with Delta's aging domestic fleet. The 320s and 190s would be a reason DL would WANT to get B6, not assets they'd immediately want to unload.


25 RL757PVD : the two things DL needs most right now AS STATED BY DL: - 100 seat aircraft -better JFK facilities probably cheaper to just buy B6 than spend the bill
26 Ckfred : Think of some of the routes that DL could pick up and integrate. For instance, ORD-JFK. Right now, B6 is solely relying on O&D traffic, with some conn
27 Flybyguy : Since jetBlue is not unionized couldn't Delta just buy the airline just to remove competition at JFK? Then just lease out any of the assets jetBlue a
28 Post contains images Srbmod : I think B6 is more of a target from investors wanting to take the airline private than from another airline. Carl Icahn did recently sell some of his
29 Jetdeltamsy : Delta has MUCH deeper pockets than Frontier. Delta could outbid Frontier any day. While I think a Delta/JetBlue merger is unlikely, it does seem to m
30 Richierich : That sounds nice and all, but where do you suppose they can raise that kind of cash? JetBlue is big enough where its safe to say that it ain't cheap!
31 Srbmod : I'm sure the current investors in Virgin America would have no problem coughing up additional $$$ in order to make such a transaction. And they could
32 Mariner : I think that's pretty remote, for all sorts of reason - starting with the lack of engine commonality. Also, Frontier is quite strongly unionized and
33 STT757 : CO + COEX at EWR = 24,399,337 Million passengers per year DL + Comair/regionals + B6 at JFK = 18,478,368 passengers per year. CO's EWR hub would stil
34 United787 : Why not UA? Fleet - Comparable Routes - Complimentary It would give UA the NYC presence that it lacks. They could then start flying JFK-LHR again!
35 EmSeeEye : Thats why you vote Republican.
36 EMBQA : .49c is SOARING......??? That's sad....
37 Jfk777 : The most credible idea here is Virgin America taking over JET BLUE. DL doesn't need to for the new terminal. Delta needs new JFK terminals but JB's ne
38 EmSeeEye : Agreed. Other than TV's in the seat and a complimentary route map there is no other logical or financial reason to merge. Unless... there is a merger
39 STT757 : CO+UAL is a better pairing, and have had talks over the years.
40 ATLAaron : I would say that was a very different situation because at the time People Express was in much worse financial shape than B6. It is my understanding
41 MCO2BRS : If DL were to take over B6, would it be possible that they would take the Embraers and intigrate them into the main DL fleet. Then, with the 125 A320'
42 Zsx81 : DAL - 19.65 -0.14 (-0.71%) May 10 4:00pm ET JBLU - 10.89 +0.49 (4.71%) May 10 4:00pm ET So Delta stock is down 14 cents and Jetblue is up 49 cents at
43 Gigneil : What's the point of buying an airline and grounding its fleet? NS
44 JetBlueAUS : It won't happen, end of story... The department that woud approve this takeover would see this as Delta trying to remove competition.
45 Post contains images Richierich : That's all you've heard because that's the only news. DL is not about to buy B6, and there is no reason to think anybody else is about to. That's wha
46 Atnight : I just read the whole thread looking for some real information or more news that would support such rumor, but as expected, NOTHING.... With no real n
47 Post contains links HVNandrew : http://dealscape.thedealblogs.com/2007/05/is_jetblue_on_the_block.php More of the same rumors, with DL being the possible partner, but more than likel
48 ScottB : The problems that Virgin America has faced have been related to establishing U.S. citizenship of the investors -- and it would be no different in a h
49 JetBluefan1 : I too feel that this rumor is just that - a rumor. A DL and B6 merger would make no sense whatsoever - and I, as an investor in JetBlue, would certain
50 JumboBumbo : From a finance POV, DL *should* buy B6 or any other airline for that matter if doing so increases the Net Present Value (NPV) of the firm, period. If
51 WorldTraveler : these rumors have been around for several months - fueled in part by DL's COO comments that stated that B6 might be of interest to DL for exactly the
52 XJETFlyer : I'm calling this one "BULL"! No way Delta can pull this off in their position.
53 Isitsafenow : But you don't understand business. It's not their money. It's the banks and the lending institutions and it may be in the new business plan(buy a com
54 WorldTraveler : it is no more unrealistic than Doug Parker thinking that US can buy a company twice its size... fortunately, DL is run now by people who understand wh
55 RL757PVD : Well Delta needs a new $1 B terminal at JFK and they need 50 or so 100 seaters (E190s) Those two needs come to $2.5 Billion I believe someone said B6'
56 RJpieces : This is the first time I've thought of such a pairing, but I like the idea of it. Delta could adopt B6's product on domestic flights, they could quit
57 AwysBSB : Is US taking over B6 out of the question?
58 Jawed : So JFK787NYC, tell me when you plan to dump the JetBlue stock, so I can do it before you do...
59 Steeler83 : As argued 854 times in other threads, US should focus on finishing the US/HP merger first... then perhaps they could look at another airline (hopeful
60 Post contains images Ncelhr : Unlikely that they'd replace all JBs A320s with 738s - how much would you think it costs to re-qualify hundreds of pilots on 738?
61 Kappel : Not only that, but it would be a huge and IMHO unnecessary investment, on top of the "purchase price" of B6. 125 A320's is a large enough subfleet to
62 Rampart : They did already, and it didn't pan out as well. They called it "Song". My opinion, I'd rather not see this come to pass. I can't agree with the logi
63 CO777DAL : I’m think this might not be such a bad deal for CO. DL takes over B6 and pretty much pulls everything out of EWR. CO does not have a LLC driving dow
64 HVNandrew : Why would DL pull everything out of EWR?
65 Post contains images Richierich : This might be the one topic that the pro-Delta crowd and the pro-JetBlue crowd can actually see eye to eye on!!
66 Flighty : Interesting, where do you get your info? JetBlue would do great with Business Class. AirTran has it, and if you ask me, JetBlue is more premium than
67 SkyexRamper : Come one B6 and F9, 100% owned fleet commonality with 50% contracted fleet commonality.
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