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Panicking Passenger Delays AC Flight  
User currently offlineOTOPS From Canada, joined May 2007, 49 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7682 times:

Tonight (may 10 2007) on my flight home from YQT to YYZ (AC 8544) the passenger sitting in front of me began panicking after push back and asked to be let off the plane! The a/c taxied back to the gate and the passenger deplaned. According to the flight attendant this was a first for her and the flight crew. Any one seen this happen before?

[Edited 2007-05-11 06:23:20]

[Edited 2007-05-11 06:24:34]


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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13040 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7668 times:

No, I never had, but one has to have concern and symphany for such a person. Perhaps some personal situation triggered a pshchogical reaction, further worsened by being in a small space.

User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2821 posts, RR: 45
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7627 times:

Quoting OTOPS (Thread starter):
According to the flight attendant this was a first for her and the flight crew. Any one seen this happen before?

Several times, yes.


User currently offlineOrdpark From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 574 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7533 times:
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Happens more often than you might imagine...people get claustrophobic sometimes when that door closes....better it happens on the ground than at fl360!

User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4963 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7484 times:

Look at what happened to Lindsay Wagner (the Bionic Woman actress) she and her mother were on AA 191 and after pushback demanded to be let off the plane. They redocked and let them off.
Then look what happened!



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User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7430 times:

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 4):
Then look what happened!

What did happen?


User currently offlineAnalog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7420 times:

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 5):

What did happen?

It crashed?


User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7395 times:

I've seen Marge Simpson do it on TV.

User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2758 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7354 times:

Quoting OTOPS (Thread starter):
Any one seen this happen before?

Not leading to delaning, but yes I've seen several times when passengers panicked. I remember one very pretty girl getting very nervous on a domestic Spanish flight, the poor young woman was shaking like a leaf, and they ended up giving her some sort of tranquilizer. My brother-in-law went through a very claustrophic period many years ago, and I remember once my dad and myself were dropping my sister and him off at Dublin to fly to Malaga, and as aviation entusiasts we hung around. We went up to the restaurant that at that time had good views of the much smaller apron at DUB back then. An Aer Lingus 747 and another smaller Aer Lingus aircraft were parked side by side (if I remember correctly it was a BAC-111), it was the plane he would be taking and I naïvely pointed that out to him. He though it looked tine compared to the 747 and suddenly wanted to stay, we convinced he to go through to departures, and he did take the plane. I myself suffered from a panic disorder for a few years, and got very nervous flying. On a number of occassions at the boarding gate I considered not boarding, but always pushed myself. As I knew that after take off, I always calmed down. The last episode was only about 2 years ago on an Aer Lingus flight from BOD to DUB. I got more panicky than ever during atke off, was feeling sick, nearly crying and thought I was going to pass out. I was in the front row and called a F/A shortly after take-off (first time I'd ever done that), explaining I was feeling nervous and light-headed and could I have a coke (it often helps when one feels/thinks they're going to pass out). The F/A's couldn't have been kinder, didn't charge me for any of the drinks on that flight (we had already enetered the era of having to pay for drinks/food on European EI flights. Then he brought me an Irish Times to take my mind off thigs, only realising his error as he handed it to me as a there had been a plane accident the previous day and it was on thr front page. His face dropped as he realised. I explained to him that I was suffering more from panic/clautrophobia than a fear of flying and not to worry. Anyway, I calmed down and enjoyed the remainder of the flight. Thankfully this hasn't happene to me again.
And of course after an engine fire just after take-off from Frankfurt 7 years ago on an LH flight to DUB requiring an immediate return and emergency landing in Frankfurt, there were lots of very nervous/panicing passengers!

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 1):
No, I never had, but one has to have concern and symphany for such a person. Perhaps some personal situation triggered a pshchogical reaction, further worsened by being in a small space.

Very true.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7512 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7283 times:

Quoting OTOPS (Thread starter):
Tonight (may 10 2007) on my flight home from YQT to YYZ (AC 8544) the passenger sitting in front of me began panicking after push back and asked to be let off the plane! The a/c taxied back to the gate and the passenger deplaned. According to the flight attendant this was a first for her and the flight crew. Any one seen this happen before?

Yes, once when I was little. I was traveling with my grandparents to London from LAX. About 4 hours into the flight my grandfather started talking to the stranger sitting next to us. He always liked to tease people (sometimes in a mean way). He said that he thought that he could say where the plane was glued together. He convinced the woman that the plane was held together by glue!!! She panicked and had to be tranquilized.

Haha, once when I was little he convinced me that the car was going to explode and wouldnt let me out!!! I cried and cried!!! I miss that dude!!! Big grin



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User currently offlineHBJZA From Switzerland, joined Jan 2006, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6796 times:

It happened to me at U2, on a GVA-NCE flight. During taxi a lady told me that she was feeling very bad about this flight and asked me to let her down the plane. I inform the captain, we went back to the gate, waited for an agent to come to pick her up while I asked her to collect her hand luggage. She then told me that she now felt good again and that she was ready to fly. I forced her out of the plane and we left.........late.

User currently offlineIndyWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6683 times:

Happened to me when I was a FA for Comair. We had a couple board the a/c (CRJ700) and she asked if she could pray. Thinking this is a bizarre request of course I said "Sure". So her and her husband bowed their heads in the door of the a/c during boarding! I her her prayer about staying safe and shortly after they took their seats. I asked her if she was nervous about flying and she said yes, very. I went through the whole "first time/nervous flyer" talk I usually use and POINTEDLY asked her if she was ok to fly (she was shaking badly) and she said yes. We closed the door and started the safety demo as we pushed back. Not 1/3 of the way through the demo she started screaming "Jesus, help me! Jesus, help me! I need off this plane!" So I called the CA and back into the gate we went. Her and her husband came off .. and we took a nice 45 minute delay while the offloaded the entire hold to find their luggage. It kind of angered passengers, especially the ones around them that heard me ask if she was sure she wanted to fly.

User currently offlineRobsawatsky From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6645 times:

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 4):
Look at what happened to Lindsay Wagner (the Bionic Woman actress) she and her mother were on AA 191 and after pushback demanded to be let off the plane. They redocked and let them off.

Everything I've read states they never boarded the aircraft. However, I can't find any independent citation that verifies whether this really happened at all.


User currently offlineDavidkunzVIE From Austria, joined Mar 2007, 431 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6620 times:

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 7):
I've seen Marge Simpson do it on TV.

That was a great episode!



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User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6423 times:

Didn't actually see it, but I know that my aunt went to the door on the Boring 707 (CF CC-137) when she & my uncle
were on his retirement leave in 1971. Fortunately the steward prevented any further action by my aunt, as they were
at about FL350 over mid-Atlantic en route Lahr. Claustrophobia led to panic.



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User currently offlineAnalog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6401 times:

Quoting Analog (Reply 6):
It crashed?

To answer my question, yes.

Quoting Robsawatsky (Reply 12):

Everything I've read states they never boarded the aircraft. However, I can't find any independent citation that verifies whether this really happened at all.

It appears that the flight crashed after she decided not to get on the aircraft. She never was on board. These references are not as reliable as I would like, but here they are:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_191
Which cites:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0905993/bio


User currently offlineOTOPS From Canada, joined May 2007, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6288 times:

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 7):
I've seen Marge Simpson do it on TV.



Quoting Ordpark (Reply 3):
...people get claustrophobic sometimes when that door closes....better it happens on the ground than at fl360!

Hilarious Simpsons episode as always. However this dude was no Marge Simpson he was a beast of a man likely a native-canadian (aboriginal) well over 6 feet tall and strong as an ox. If he freaked out at FL360 there would have been no restraining him. Weirdly enough he said he had no checked baggage and only a very small carry-on. This alarmed some of the pax who then asked the FA if they had verified he really didn't have any. It turns out he didn't and we were off again with less than a 10 minute delay.



Airbus-A name that manages to make aviation sound uncool.
User currently offlineAshland1381 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6200 times:

I have seen it happen several times also and has a middle seat guy get really scared in a Tstorm in a 727 (long time ago).

Panic is tough


User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2598 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5214 times:

Quoting OTOPS (Thread starter):
Tonight (may 10 2007) on my flight home from YQT to YYZ (AC 8544) the passenger sitting in front of me began panicking after push back and asked to be let off the plane!

No surprise, the idea of spending almost 2 hours aboard of CRJ 100 is bad enough - anyone could panic...  crowded   duck 


User currently offlineFighterPilot From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1379 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4291 times:

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 18):
2 hours aboard of CRJ 100 is bad enough

Bah, I'm 6'1" and I've done the YQT-YYZ flight lots. It's really not all that bad.  Wink

OTOPS, How was your stay in Thunder Bay? I live not far from there and it's interesting to hear other people's input about being up north here. Theres not many of us here on A.net Big grin

Cal  airplane 



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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4093 times:

Quoting Ordpark (Reply 3):
Happens more often than you might imagine

In all my years flying, I only remember it happening once after we had actaully left the gate.

It happened several times before we pushed, but only the one time after we had pushed.



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User currently offlineOTOPS From Canada, joined May 2007, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4061 times:

Quoting FighterPilot (Reply 19):
Bah, I'm 6'1" and I've done the YQT-YYZ flight lots. It's really not all that bad.

OTOPS, How was your stay in Thunder Bay? I live not far from there and it's interesting to hear other people's input about being up north here. Theres not many of us here on A.net

Cal

Originally being from BC I like a little elevation to my landscapes. It was nice to see some bumpy terrain in the province of Ontario for a change. To be honest there is not much to the city but the setting is beautiful. I will be back next week to finish the job I've started. Hopefully, I'll be able to take a little more of it in. Also love the mix of a/c you get to see that serve the remote north: water bombers, (twin) otters, metroliners etc.

Cheers
OTOPS



Airbus-A name that manages to make aviation sound uncool.
User currently offlineFighterPilot From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1379 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3830 times:

Quoting OTOPS (Reply 21):
Also love the mix of a/c you get to see that serve the remote north: water bombers, (twin) otters, metroliners etc.

Yeah, It's nice. The only drawback is the biggest thing that comes to YQT are 737's, mind you the odd 747SP stops by every so often, that was interesting.  Wink

Cal  airplane 



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User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

Quoting OTOPS (Thread starter):
Any one seen this happen before?

1 time on a Comair in CVG, left the gate taxied to number 4 for takeoff (in a line of 15) and a young gril started freaking out so we had to return to the gate drop her off and go out again...1 hour delay  Sad


User currently offlineAnneTooh From United Arab Emirates, joined Oct 2005, 32 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3758 times:

I once had a passenger on board who literally couldn't control her bladder anymore due to her fear and started peeing on the seat. Everyone around her felt terrible and sympathetic since she was such a nice lady. Someone managed to give her a spare pair of trousers and she eventually could then come for a visit to the flight deck (obviously back in the good old days...). That did help her and just the hassle with that peeing incident got her so busy that she forgot about her fear for a while.

It came back however. When I then saw her in the cockpit it was the first time in my life I that I saw pure fear in someone's eyes. We let her stay for quite some time to talk to us and in the end it helped. She said it's good to know there are human beings up there in the front of the plane and to see them there with her own eyes.

I feel sorry very much for people who panic in situations like that (actually for any panic). It has nothing to do with being a moron or a wimp or whatever and anyone can go through phases like that in a lifetime. But what I always experienced myself on the flights that I had, and heard from others from their flights, is that human help and human presence with sympathetic crew are the best help. It's a human problem that is best dealt with in humane ways. Or, of course, in offloading ways...


25 Rikkus67 : A few years back I went with a close friend (we'll call her "Wilma") to Toronto aboard a red-eye Westjet flight from Calgary. I had no intention of tr
26 Smokeyrosco : Seen it happen at DUB the odd time, but I used to see nervous flyers all the time, sometimes you'd have passengers that would would walk down the airb
27 StarGoldLHR : In 2001 I was booking for a flight from SFO to SEA. Having just flow Alaska a few weeks early I went to book their flight, but I had problems with the
28 ArcrftLvr : Very well put!!!
29 Post contains images HAWK21M : Sounds like my neighbour. Some individuals require medical help to overcome their fears. regds MEL
30 VHXLR8 : The F/As would most likely not have wanted your friend in the exit row for obvious reasons. Crew need know that pax in the exit rows are physically a
31 AJMIA : " target=_blank>http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0905993/bio Well, if Lindsay Wagner ever gets off a plane I am on you can bet I will be out the door right
32 TymnBalewne : I've seen it happen on a YUL-LHR flight...and it caused ALL passengers to be deplaned while sniffer dogs checked to make sure that the deplaning passe
33 Rikkus67 : That did come across my mind, as I know I would have no problem opening the hatch and getting out...but I know Wilma would go either way...terrified
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