Stealth777 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 360 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7554 times:
Just heard on KTVU news in S.F. that WN is going to be announcing their schdule in a couple of hours. Tried a search for a website to reference but was unable to locate one this early in the morning. Of course the news didn't say exactly what time they were making the announcement, but heard it on the news at 6:10am PDT.
So by later this afternoon, we will all know what WN's plan to return to SFO will be.
AS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5834 posts, RR: 23 Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7446 times:
Fantastic! I am curious on a few issue's
1> What their long-haul city will be
2> How many flights to start
3> Will they enter the SFO-SAN markets AS just axed and UA owns
4> Will they challenge on SFO-LAX hich F9 has fought so hard to do
WN will be a welcome sight back at SFO in my eyes
ASSFO
"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
Cloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 639 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7407 times:
What has changed that would make SFO worth returning to? And what impact will this have on their OAK operations?
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4537 posts, RR: 13 Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7362 times:
Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 2): What has changed that would make SFO worth returning to?
Virgin America and jet Blue
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
Airtran737700 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 23 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7350 times:
AS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5834 posts, RR: 23 Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7315 times:
1> Less United Flights
2> JetBlue....to a lessor extent
3> Virgin America.....to more extent
4> New intrument procedures allowing more arrival in low vis
5> They have learned with PHL how to deal w/ ATC delays
6> They are also bigger, being able to offset delayed A/C and Crews easier
Southwest will limit its effect on it OAK operation. They are a smart company. They may servce city's that OAK doesn't have service to.They could also complement each other.
ASSFO
"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
OzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4684 posts, RR: 23 Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7291 times:
Southwest will limit its effect on it OAK operation. They are a smart company. They may servce city's that OAK doesn't have service to.They could also complement each other.
I agree. Look for the SFO/OAK ops of WN to mirror IAD/BWI. OAK remains the "hub" with a few choice routes duplicated at SFO.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6251 posts, RR: 51 Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7185 times:
They would make a killing on SFO-MSY now that UA no longer serves the market.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7125 times:
Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 2): What has changed that would make SFO worth returning to? And what impact will this have on their OAK operations?
Quoting AS739X (Reply 5): 1> Less United Flights
2> JetBlue....to a lessor extent
3> Virgin America.....to more extent
4> New intrument procedures allowing more arrival in low vis
5> They have learned with PHL how to deal w/ ATC delays
6> They are also bigger, being able to offset delayed A/C and Crews easier
Southwest will limit its effect on it OAK operation. They are a smart company. They may servce city's that OAK doesn't have service to.They could also complement each other.
RUNGA08 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 62 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7080 times:
DfwRevolution From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7042 times:
Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 2): What has changed that would make SFO worth returning to? And what impact will this have on their OAK operations?
Not only has the competitive market changed with Virgin America and jetBlue expanding, SFO has lowered their cost structure and reduced delays enough that WN feels it is worth returning.
Quoting RUNGA08 (Reply 9): Does WN have any 700ER's? or will the current fleet be able to accomplish such trip?
They have no -700ER. Their 73G with winglets could make the trip with nearly full payload year round.
LoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3654 posts, RR: 38 Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6981 times:
I think another reason that SFO makes sense for WN now is because of the gate situation at OAK.
After the construction of Terminal 2's new gates and renovations of some of the pre-existing Terminal 2 gates, it was my understanding that Southwest would give up the additional gates in Terminal 1 that it currently uses and consolidate all its operations into the Terminal 2. If that's the case, then Southwest would have 13 OAK gates (Gates 20-32 in Terminal 2.)
WN already has over 140 daily departures out of OAK now. I think part of the reason SFO makes sense now is because they can shift some of the OAK flights over to SFO, freeing up space in OAK for additional flights to other destinations. JMHO, though.
AS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5834 posts, RR: 23 Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6876 times:
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4746 posts, RR: 15 Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 6770 times:
The schedules are up on the OAG site; I'm just in the process of looking things up. So far I see 8 flights between SFO and SAN in October! (Much better than I'd hoped. ) Next thing I'm looking for is the start date... More in a few minutes.
AS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5834 posts, RR: 23 Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 6729 times:
WOW....8 flights. Now thats impressive if true. But that will pretty much utilize 1 of there gates at SFO for just SAN service. That is why I wasn't expecting more then 5 flights. I would venture to guess that a few of these are r/t from SAN flights so if they need to cancel due to ATC, it will be easy to do and keep their a/c ontime.
ASSFO
"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4746 posts, RR: 15 Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 6625 times:
Looks like the start date is August 26 (exactly what I had predicted but WN pulled a tricky one by opening up the rez window beyond that date a couple of weeks ago without announcing the SFO schedules... )
Luv ya, Southwest!!
SAN-SFO flights depart at: 6:35am, 8:20am, 10:15am, 12:10pm, 2:00pm, 3:55pm, 5:05pm and 8:35pm; super timing.
No n/s BWI service but looks like a couple of thru (Direct) flights.
I haven't looked at all possibilities but if Commavia has 'em all, that's an 18-flight start-up! Very impressive.
Usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3114 posts, RR: 7 Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 6607 times:
That's 18 flts just to start out with. Lately the new WN cities have been starting with 8-12 flts
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4746 posts, RR: 15 Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 6542 times:
The schedules are on the WN site ("View Schedules Online") but the route map has not been updated yet. (And the PDF schedules are unavailable at this time as well.)
Unless there are some cutbacks elsewhere, SAN will now see 104 daily departures! Welcome to our fair city to the "100+ flights" club!
None of these selected routes come as a surprise to me; I had thought PHX rather than MDW but actually if they have LAS for the start-up, PHX would be superfluous and MDW gives them all the eastern connections.
SHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3661 posts, RR: 18 Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6297 times:
KELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 5962 posts, RR: 4 Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6273 times:
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 3): Virgin America and jet Blue Smile
I don't think WN usually goes into a market to crush competitors, that's too Legacy-carrier for them. More likely, the analysts saw an opportunity for profit here...the right amount of demand and the ability to charge enough money to make a profit at the station
Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
25 SANFan: I was just going to post this anyway so to answer your question PanAm', no! (Not out of SAN anyway; OAK still shows 20 departures and SJC remains at
26 ScottB: Apparently not; Southwest seems to offer 20 daily departures from SAN to OAK on both May 29 and Oct. 1, as well as 10 daily departures from SAN to SJ
27 KELPkid: Hmmm...wonder if they'll have an PDX-SFO-SAN-ELP flight that's one flight number all the way through PDX-(bay area airport)-(SoCal Airport)-ELP is usu
28 SANFan: The thing to remember is with service to LAS and SAN, they can get a lot of turns out of a small number of a/c so why not start with a bang! Both SAN-
29 Silver1SWA: Wow, 8 flights to SAN. I knew we were getting at least 5, but 8 is impressive. Now, I wonder where they plan on putting these flights...Hmmmm...
30 EIPremier: This may have been mentioned elsewhere, but what gates will Southwest be using at SFO?
31 SANFan: I just read the PR and it indicated 2 gates at SFO. With 18 flights, they are already pretty close to maxed out there! (Two more flights puts them ri
33 AS739X: Southwest will have Air Canada's present gates 21 and 23 in terminal 1. Alaska's new neighbor! ASSFO
34 Searpqx: Dang - those seats over at AC were always a little emptier and quieter while I was waiting for my AS flights! Seriously, turning nine flights a day o
35 EIPremier: "Southwest will have Air Canada's present gates 21 and 23 in terminal 1. Alaska's new neighbor!" Those gates are gonna be jumping. Also, I guess AS wo
36 AS739X: Air Canada will be moving to Terminal 3-E concourse with American, AA Eagle, and Midwest. I think they used a Virgin A320 the other day for line paint
37 Stealth777: Are you serious?? AC the Star Alliance partner moving in with AA. How did UA allow that to happen? or does UA just want to make life difficult for it
38 AS739X: I am serious. Actually I think you no longer have to go through security to go from the E to F concourse. But this has been a long time coming for AC
39 Lexy: Why does this crap not surprise me. Typical.
40 AS739X: Hey guys, I stand corrected. They will be using gates 25 and 31 at SFO. So now everyone around here is scratching their heads on who will use gates 21
41 Jacobin777: .that is correct.... ..one doesn't have to clear security to get from AA's gates to UA's gate (I've done it myself to try some spotting, that's how I
42 Vega: It's "let's get our feet wet and see if SFO support is there before we challenge the transcon party". Smart move - as usual, I'd say. SFO fliers are g
43 SANFan: Southwest maybe? With their start-up schedule almost maxing out the 2 gates spoken for, I would sure expect WN to want more, and soon! Maybe they wil
44 N200WN: I may be wrong, but I seem to remember Southwest opening the SAN-PHX route with 8 r/t's back in 1982. Can anyone confirm this?
45 Bicoastal: No wonder Alaska is fleeing the SAN-SFO route. They can't compete with WN or UA. WN will take any of the O&D market that doesn't want to fly United (o
46 SkyyMaster: I guess I'd expected a couple transcon runs, but I'm betting BWI and PHL will be there eventually. Somewhat off topic, but what is the status of SFO c
48 Rampart: F9 @DEN? US @ PHL, BWI, PIT? (and PHX, LAS by way of America West) TW @ STL? ATA @ MDW? DL, FL @ MCO? Not that they're successfully crushing at all t
49 Coronado990: I was there that day in 1982. They started with 6 flights a day spaced apart every three hours or so.
50 ScottB: Yes. BWI-PVD, BWI-MHT, and BWI-BDL all started with eight daily non-stops.
51 Luvfa: MDW is probably for the code share. People can transfer at MDW to LGA and DCA. Due to the perimeter rule, there are no nonstops from these airports t
52 Lexy: But there are OTHER large stations on the east coast that can connect with many of those markets you posted. Why not serve them as well. I just think
53 SANFan: By connecting SFO with LAS and MDW, I don't think WN could improve on this start-up at all. Between those 2 major connecting points (OK, "pseudo-hubs
54 Lexy: I hope your right because the OAK flight from here supposedly does well and I highly doubt those people are going to Oakland from here because of Oak
55 SANFan: Hey, I've been to OAK (actually thru OAK and as quickly as possible) many times and believe me, none taken (by me, anyway.) It will be interesting to
56 N200WN: I was there too guys! Man that is funny. I remember the original ticket counter being downstairs in the West Terminal and there were red baloons all
57 Lexy: Hey, the pleasure is all mine man. Thanks.
58 SANFan: Hey N200WN, I don't remember seeing you there either! If I took pictures (and I bet I did) I don't have any idea where they are but I'll keep an eye
59 LoneStarMike: There was an additional article at insidebayarea.com that sheds a little more light with regards to Southwest's costs and future plans at SFO. John Ma
60 SANFan: There you go. Thanks for finding that article Mike; that pretty much confirms the earlier speculation not only about gate usage and timing, but desir
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