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DL's ATL-EDI Route..how Is It Doing?  
User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10289 times:

Just curious...when did DL start the ATL-EDI route and two, how is it doing? Are the loads good enough we will see this year around? I know they have a 763 on the route now but one wonders if when they get the 752ER's from AA, they will downgrade to them?

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User currently offlineLH121GLA From Germany, joined May 2004, 454 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10209 times:

It started sometime last year - and they reduced the operation over winter time to 4 x weekly - so I'd guess that yes, an equipment downgrade may be in order - certainly during the winter months.

User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10208 times:

It already is year-round, and I do think this flight is one of the poorer performing new flights.


The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10192 times:

the route also supposedly gets some marketing and possible other supportso the costs may be lower than for similar flights.

and the route could also be a candidate for a downgrade to a 757 when that airplane becomes available - or the route could be transferred to JFK and flown w/ a 757 from there.


User currently offlineMarkATL From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10177 times:

What's the story on those ex TWA(AA) 757s? Is DL still going to get them?


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User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10169 times:

Quoting MarkATL (Reply 4):
What's the story on those ex TWA(AA) 757s? Is DL still going to get them?

See this thread I just posted...you question answered there!
DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes (by B777ER May 12 2007 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 3):
the route also supposedly gets some marketing and possible other supportso the costs may be lower than for similar flights.

From the city of Edinburgh itself? I know they are getting some financial help from Italy in regards to the new service to Pisa at the end of this month.

[Edited 2007-05-12 04:40:58]

User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1311 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10132 times:

Having used this service 3 times since it started I can tell you that the loads have been strong but loads don't always mean high yields. Having talked to the gate agents in EDI several times they told me that the loads are very high in the summer months full to capacity even oversold in Y class. Now J class which I've flown all three times has been less than half full. I hope it stays and no switching to JFK!!! If it were to then I hope for a non-stop flight from ATL to GLA!!! I wish DL the best with the flight and I hope it performs well for them. Time will tell because DL is not afraid to pull loss making routes. I wonder if cargo could also be helping DL on this route, the 752 would not be as great for volume and pallet sizes.


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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10104 times:

the beauty of the 757 is that the cockpit is compatible w/ the 767 o DL could use a 757 for most days and a 767 2 or 3 days a week for cargo... but I doubt that cargo alone could make the route work.... I don't think Scotland is a huge cargo origin/destination - but I may be wrong.

User currently offlineRwy04LGA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3128 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10068 times:

I start with Delta in about a month and hope to take my mothers' ashes back to EDI soon thereafter on these flights. Can I expect availability of J class in June midweek?


Just accept that some days, you're the pigeon, and other days the statue
User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10047 times:

Quoting Rwy04LGA (Reply 8):

I start with Delta in about a month and hope to take my mothers' ashes back to EDI soon thereafter on these flights. Can I expect availability of J class in June midweek?

Yes, but watch out for higher priority non-revs...



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10023 times:

Quoting Rwy04LGA (Reply 8):
I start with Delta in about a month and hope to take my mothers' ashes back to EDI soon thereafter on these flights. Can I expect availability of J class in June midweek?

IIRC, you have to wait 30 days to get your flight privileges at DL and even so, I would never, ever think about non-revving to Europe during peak season. Buy a ticket--that's the best way to get on transatlantic. DL gives you 8 international passes a year--you pay the taxes only, but I'd fly in non-peak. The flights can get so full you can't get on. Even on a marginal route like ATLEDI, I'd still buy a ticket. Good luck with DL.



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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9963 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 10):
I would never, ever think about non-revving to Europe during peak season

....except ATL-EDI.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineA380fo From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9895 times:

hey im a dl employee here are the loads and for RWY04LGA here are the loads for the middle of june!!


0096 ATL EDI 12MAY 805P 13MAY 905A DELTA 763 N/A 9/10 (35) -5/13 (174)

0096 ATL EDI 20JUN 805P 21JUN 905A DELTA 763 N/A 13/13 (35) 42/46 (174)


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4914 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9774 times:

Quoting B777ER (Reply 5):
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 3):
the route also supposedly gets some marketing and possible other supportso the costs may be lower than for similar flights.

From the city of Edinburgh itself? I know they are getting some financial help from Italy in regards to the new service to Pisa at the end of this month.

The financial support is from the Scottish Executive (the Scottish Government)

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 7):
I don't think Scotland is a huge cargo origin/destination - but I may be wrong.

EDI-ATL has had good cargo loads apparently



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User currently offlineTu154m From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 673 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9696 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 11):
DL gives you 8 international passes a year--you pay the taxes only, but I'd fly in non-peak. The flights can get so full you can't get on. Even on a marginal route like ATLEDI, I'd still buy a ticket. Good luck with DL.

I've been with DL for awhile now..........what do you mean about them "giving" us 8 Int'l passes?????



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User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9565 times:

Quoting A380fo (Reply 12):
hey im a dl employee here are the loads and for RWY04LGA here are the loads for the middle of june!!

You're a DL employee at 13-15 years of age? Last time I checked, airlines didn't start hiring until you're 18 years old.



"We break, We bend, With hand in hand, When hope is gone, Just hang on." -Guster
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks ago) and read 9508 times:

Quoting A380fo (Reply 12):
hey im a dl employee

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/profile.main?username=A380fo

Quote:
Gender: Male
Age: 13-15
Occupation: Pilot

So who pays a 13-15 year old to fly besides their parents?


User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks ago) and read 9489 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 16):
So who pays a 13-15 year old to fly besides their parents?

And since when does the FAA grant 13-15 yr olds pilots licenses?


User currently offlineRwy04LGA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3128 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9402 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 10):
DL gives you 8 international passes a year--you pay the taxes only, but I'd fly in non-peak. The flights can get so full you can't get on. Even on a marginal route like ATLEDI, I'd still buy a ticket. Good luck with DL.

This was quoted by USPIT10L, not Evan767. How did that happen?

Anyhoo....thanks to all who helped.



Just accept that some days, you're the pigeon, and other days the statue
User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9033 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 10):
I would never, ever think about non-revving to Europe during peak season.

My brother is a DL pilot. Last month, at the height of spring break, his wife went to the UK non-rev. She made it over there no problem, but couldn't get back, and after a week, he had to buy a ticket to get her home.


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8703 times:

Good God, guys lay off of A380fo... Some people don't pay as much attention to their profile as other A.nettaddicteds.

Quoting Tu154m (Reply 14):
I've been with DL for awhile now..........what do you mean about them "giving" us 8 Int'l passes?????

Even though it's not my quote, I can answer. It's actually 9 int'l roundtrips. You get 9 free roundtrips for every year across the ocean, and if you exceed 9 roundtrips, you have to start paying. They renew at every anniversery date.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineA380fo From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8445 times:

sorry about that but i just didnt change the age when i signed up.

User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8390 times:

Quoting A380fo (Reply 21):
sorry about that but i just didnt change the age when i signed up.

Even if you're 16-20, there's STILL no way you can be a Delta pilot. You've told us you work for Delta and you have your occupation listed as "pilot". I'm sorry to second-guess your credibility, but I just can't see how this can be true.



"We break, We bend, With hand in hand, When hope is gone, Just hang on." -Guster
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8350 times:

Quoting A380fo (Reply 21):
sorry about that but i just didnt change the age when i signed up.

 redflag 

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 22):
Even if you're 16-20, there's STILL no way you can be a Delta pilot

Oh yeah, I barely trust anyone with a PPL to fly me in anything and you think I'm (along with most the flying public) not going to walk off the plane with anyone 1/2 my age in any seat up front? Maybe when I'm 80, but not 40, and MUCH LESS 38.


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8249 times:

I'd like to think that most commercial pilots have enough attention to detail to know how to properly operate the "caps" function on a keyboard....

Quoting A380fo (Reply 21):
sorry about that but i just didnt change the age when i signed up.


25 Evan767 : You'd be surprised...
26 Gilesdavies : I even admit a 763 is a lot of equpment to flt ATL-EDI, but DL have no other equipment suitable for the route to reduce capacity. I wonder if they re
27 Damian : The CAA provisional route statistics for April 2007 show that EDI-ATL handled 9638, making it busier than both EDI-EWR and GLA-EWR. Sure, the dead of
28 Post contains images DAL767400ER : Their 762s were non-ERs, those probably wouldn't even have made it to KEF from ATL .
29 LH121GLA : Which was operated by a 757 ... is it any wonder DL outperformed?!
30 Damian : True, but the US 757 wasn't exactly operating at full capacity. If GLA-PHL had been attracting 100% loads consistently through the summer then you mi
31 Post contains images LH121GLA : Am I missing the point here?!
32 BY738 : Why ? Was EDI-ATL comsistently acheiving 100% loads ? ( on a 767-300)
33 ScottishLaddie : Certainly doing well enough in the summer I'd say, but due to US-Scotland's highly seasonal nature the loads did unsurprisingly drop off in the winter
34 Damian : I don't know. You seemed to be implying that the reason GLA-PHL didn't perform as strongly as EDI-ATL last summer was essentially down to the seating
35 BY738 : If you can give us percentage load factors for each over a similar summer period -that would be far more accurate than actual numbers carried which a
36 Post contains images Gkirk : It's fair to say, it isn't doing as well as EK's GLA-DXB route
37 Damian : Yes, and it wasn't my intention to start an EDI v GLA or DL v US flame war, or anything like it, but it would be fair and accurate to say that from a
38 Fox1 : This is a nonsense thread! I have just used DL's EDI-ATL service twice in the last 3 weeks, both trips were FULL, FULL, FULL..... 757s? ..I would thin
39 David_itl : Have you ascertained how many in business class actually paid business class fares? Squeezing down to 757s would mean that fewer cheap seats would be
40 DAL767400ER : And how were the yields? Full flight don't equal profitable flights, always remember that.
41 BY738 : Perhaps you should start another topic. Its DLs EDI performance we are discussing here. And in that thread you could show us evidence of US's"struggl
42 WorldTraveler : thanks for the comparisons, Damian. ATL is an incredibly powerful hub and can generate hub amounts of traffic but that doesn't mean that the yields ar
43 SpencerII : I work in marketing- (market Development) for a major carrier, and I can tell you this city pair for DL is doing E-X-T-R-E-ME-L-Y well, and is a high
44 AV8AJET : Excellent news!!! I wish it all the success, how about a ATL-GLA any chance of that???
45 ScottishLaddie : Good to know, I can certainly believe that in the summer, will be interesting to see how this coming winter does as it will be more established this
46 Comeflywithme : Well news is on the way that DL are going to pull this route. Definately not performing well over the winter months as they significantly reduced the
47 AV8AJET : NO!!!! Please don't! Make it summer only but not pull it completely! That would be such a shame, but my feelings are that DL will move EDI from ATL t
48 Panamair : EDI is being switched to JFK starting May 2008 with the ex-TW 752s. It will then be a year-round JFK-EDI service: DL96 JFK 8:05pm EDI 8:10am+1 752 DL
49 Comeflywithme : Aye but it's YIELDS that count laddie not bums on seats!!
50 Humberside : Better for EDI than loosing Delta altogether but I think this is bad news for EDI - the loss of Atlanta and head on competition with CO - if CO then r
51 DAL767400ER : Couldn't DL have done ATL-EDI with the ex-TW 752s? ATL-EDI is only 29mi longer than CO's EWR-TXL.
52 GLAGAZ : The ex-TWA's are pratts. Gaz
53 Humberside : I take it DL will be announcing other transatlantic B757 routes beside EDI - when will that announcement be?
54 Cslusarc : I think that if wingleted an ex-TW 752 could have made it on ATL --> EDI but not on the return EDI --> ATL leg. DL might be able to operate the route
55 BY738 : The only "pratts" are those that were naive enough to think this route was a money spinner. It was only a matter of time before it was pulled.
56 Damian : Well, thank you for that illuminating comment. I can only assume that the news of a switch of DL's EDI service from ATL to JFK falls short of the com
57 USPIT10L : Most of US Airways' transatlantic service expansion, over the last few years, has been highly seasonal. DUB, GLA, SNN, BCN, VCE, LIS, and ARN are/wer
58 AF-A319 : Personal experience is good, but real data is even better! Here are the latest Seat Factor stats available for DL's EDI-ATL service from the US DoT. J
59 Panamair : Obvious candidates starting this winter will be JFK-MAN (that one needs reduced J capacity ASAP!) - you can probably take that one to the bank - and
60 BY738 : An axed destination, downgraded aircraft, and a almost duplicate service to JFK....you're easily pleased. I dont "crave" success or failure of any ro
61 Comeflywithme : No Scottish airport can sustain more than one US route on a daily basis in winter, summer yes winter no and so it was no surprise to see the DL ATL ro
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