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DL's CEO Interview Re:future At LHR/Intl Routes  
User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8567 times:

Should be interesting at LHR next march 30th. I found this article at ATW I find some interesting things in it. Sorry if this has been discussed before. It also has interesting info on DL's future fleet plans:

CEO Gerald Grinstein told ATWOnline in Atlanta Monday (4/30) that while he believes "there is no magic mark" or percentage of DL's business that will come from long-haul operations, "a 50/50 share would be no surprise." Starting with ATL-Prague flights today, the airline plans to launch service to 13 new international destinations in the next two months alone.

More may come if DL is able to take advantage of the new EU-US open skies agreement and acquire slots at London Heathrow for service from ATL, New York JFK and one additional US market (ATWOnline, April 6). Grinstein said he already is negotiating with SkyTeam alliance partners about a swap for 3-6 slot pairs. "These discussions are ongoing, and we are confident we'll be able to move this through," he said. DL currently flies to Gatwick and would continue to do so if it gains access to LHR.


Ok, this interview took place on 4/30. This comment flies in the face of the London Times article that stated DL already aquired slots from AF/KL. I imagine they will get some slot pairs from AF/KL but it seems they dont have them just yet. I wonder though, lets say DL gets all 6 slot pairs. Thats six flights a day to LHR. I imagine 2 from ATL and 2 from JFK. Now the last 2 are where IMO it gets interesting. Maybe SLC, LAX or CVG? I would assume probably 2 of the aforementioned ones with a once daily service. They say they will keep the LGW service but I would imagine that frequiences would be reduced. For one, they need to move 763's around to get aircraft for the LHR service (though I would not be surprised to see exclusive 764 Biz Elite service to LHR due to premium demand). I cannot fathom DL operating two LHR's and two LGW's each from ATL and JFK. I know they can dump good domestic feeds into ATL and the large O&D market in NY but that has got to be overkill. I would think the second daily out of JFK to LGW would be dropped and just one daily out of ATL to LGW and I would think that would be it for DL service to LGW. 2 total flights, one from JFK and one from ATL.




COO Jim Whitehurst said up to 35 additional widebody aircraft may be transferred from domestic to international routes. "This summer we will add eight 767-400s to the intercontinental fleet, plus 13 ETOPS 757-200ERs," he said. The 757s will be based at JFK for new service to secondary cities throughout Europe. "Each new Western European destination should become profitable after three or four months," he added.

I know there was a.net speculation about the 752ER's going to Hawaii from the west coast but I guess that is not happening. If I had to guess, I forsee these new secondary cities being places like Glasgow (although their EDI service may preclude this), Lisbon, Oslo, Helsinki and maybe a secondary London airport such as Stansted. The 752ER's I don't think have the legs to go to far into Western Europe.





This year Delta will operate 102 widebodies on international routes, and it can continue to grow its international fleet until 2011 without acquiring new equipment by transferring aircraft from domestic services. It is scheduled to take delivery of two 777-200LRs early next year and four more later in 2008 or in early 2009. "We want to do more in Asia, and the Middle East and Africa are totally underserved from the US," Whitehurst said, noting that 2011 will be the right time for a fleet renewal. By year end or early 2008, DL expects to pick either the 787 or A350 to replace its 767-300s.

Well, I guess the ufo's at the Boeing website are not DL's. If they wait until years end or early 2008, one can only imagine the first slot availability for them in regards to the 787? I know Boeing is already backlogged a few years right? Nevermind any other orders between now and when DL does place one. I will not even mention the A350 because I cannot really see them going Airbus. As much time as DL is putting on the 763ER's with all the intl flying, I imagine by 2011, there will be some seriously tired aircraft. Oh, I guess the 752 will be the work horse for DL's transcon routes for at least the next 4.5 years or so!

[Edited 2007-05-12 04:46:25]

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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8435 times:

there's not a whole lot of new info here....

the 757s are being acquired primarily for int'l purposes... it is very likely that any airplane can make more money flying to Europe than to Hawaii; while DL needs to have a reasonable presence in Hawaii, it doesn't require 757ERs (although there is no such designation) to do it. Lower weight 757s can easily fly LAX to Hawaii.

also, airplanes are built to fly; repeated takeoffs and landings are what wears planes out, not flying at cruising altitude. 767s flying int'l routes can fly many years. the real factor in determining when it is time to move the 767 out of int'l service will be when the plane is considered too aged to be a viable aircraft. despite what a lot of people think, the 787s being ordered today are not going to be used for fleet replacement but predominantly for fleet expansion. as such, it is unlikely the 767 will be made obsolete by new aircraft until 2015 or later.


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8395 times:

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
the airline plans to launch service to 13 new international destinations in the next two months alone.

That's news to me. My guesses (Canada and Mexico don't count):
CAI
Northeastern Brazilian Market
PVG
HKG
SIN
SYD
LIS
ARN
LYS
GVA
BHX
LED
WAW

[Edited 2007-05-12 05:44:55]


The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4050 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8339 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 1):
the 757s are being acquired primarily for int'l purposes... it is very likely that any airplane can make more money flying to Europe than to Hawaii; while DL needs to have a reasonable presence in Hawaii, it doesn't require 757ERs (although there is no such designation) to do it. Lower weight 757s can easily fly LAX to Hawaii.

Actually a DL ETOPs 752 can do LAX to Hawaii fully loaded, especially KOA. that said, I think you'll see DL discontinue all but one SLC-Hawaii operations after Christmas, and all will be moved to California with perhaps one non-ER 763 doing SLC-HNL 5-6x per week.



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User currently offlineN174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8311 times:

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
Now the last 2 are where IMO it gets interesting. Maybe SLC, LAX or CVG?

LAX-LHR: so DL would try to compete against the four existing carriers that fly to LHR? BA/AA vs. UA vs. VS. Unless they can force UA out, which I don't think will hapen, it would be ill advised to enter that market. SLC would have to rely on a lot of feeder traffic, but CVG is a strong possibility.


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8311 times:

Looking forward to Delta add some more Caribbean routes  cool   twocents 


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User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8272 times:

Quoting N174UA (Reply 4):
LAX-LHR: so DL would try to compete against the four existing carriers that fly to LHR? BA/AA vs. UA vs. VS. Unless they can force UA out, which I don't think will hapen, it would be ill advised to enter that market. SLC would have to rely on a lot of feeder traffic, but CVG is a strong possibility.

True but we all know they will do two flights a day to LHR from JFK and look how much seats are available on that route. LAX has a large O&D market and a DL LAX-LHR daily would be the only Skyteam nonstop to LHR from LAX. There is a lot of people with lots of miles on the FF cards that would love that.


User currently offlineTootallsd From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8214 times:
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Quoting B777ER (Reply 6):
There is a lot of people with lots of miles on the FF cards that would love that.

No doubt a true fact but redeemed frequent flier miles do not pay the bills. I live on the west coast and I much prefer the long haul LHR to LAX over a mid-country stop. So I'm sure there are many of us that would enjoy extra frequency, some copetition and some moderation in the fare.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7562 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8214 times:

Quoting N174UA (Reply 4):
LAX-LHR: so DL would try to compete against the four existing carriers that fly to LHR? BA/AA vs. UA vs. VS.

Your forgetting NZ.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 2):
PVG

I dont think they can without governmet approval.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 2):
LIS
ARN
LYS
GVA
BHX
LED
WAW

Perhaps from JFK all of these seem plausable.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 2):
HKG
SIN
SYD

SYD would be from LAX. Maybe SIN can be a tag on to HKG. Both could work from ATL or LAX but they need the LR's to go from ATL. If UA wasnt starting LAX-HKG, I would say that LAX would be a slam dunk, not im not sure.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 2):
Northeastern Brazilian Market

A very good choice from ATL.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 2):
CAI

Could work from ATL and JFK, not sure which they would go for.



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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8214 times:

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
By year end or early 2008, DL expects to pick either the 787 or A350 to replace its 767-300s.

That'll be one big ass order. My hunch is 100 copies.


User currently offlineScotron11 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1178 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8174 times:

Quoting N174UA (Reply 4):

LAX-LHR: so DL would try to compete against the four existing carriers that fly to LHR? BA/AA vs. UA vs. VS. Unless they can force UA out, which I don't think will hapen,

Why not? It seems the markets DL wants to serve are the very same markets that UAL serves right now. And we all know what happened to PanAm.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21564 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8090 times:

Quoting B777ER (Reply 6):
True but we all know they will do two flights a day to LHR from JFK and look how much seats are available on that route.

But DL has a presence in New York that it does not in LA. That said, I still think LAX-LHR will happen, based on the lack of SkyTeam on that route at the moment.

-Mir



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User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8081 times:

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
Maybe SLC, LAX or CVG

Although DL has stated that they want to add flights out of LAX, competition on the LAX-LHR route is ruthless. Given the high cost of LHR slots as well, I doubt that we'll see SLC-LHR service. CVG is possible, but I wouldn't be surprised if they kept it to LGW.

As for other potentials, MCO? Currently only VS and BA serve the route, and in the case of VS its service from LGW.


User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8025 times:

Quoting Scotron11 (Reply 10):
Why not? It seems the markets DL wants to serve are the very same markets that UAL serves right now. And we all know what happened to PanAm.



Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
But DL has a presence in New York that it does not in LA. That said, I still think LAX-LHR will happen, based on the lack of SkyTeam on that route at the moment.



Quoting Cba (Reply 12):
Although DL has stated that they want to add flights out of LAX, competition on the LAX-LHR route is ruthless. Given the high cost of LHR slots as well, I doubt that we'll see SLC-LHR service. CVG is possible, but I wouldn't be surprised if they kept it to LGW.

As for other potentials, MCO? Currently only VS and BA serve the route, and in the case of VS its service from LGW

I think we all could agree that DL, already stating they want to build up LAX could easily (as the only Skyteam member doing it as well) fill up a daily 763 to LHR out of LAX. I do agree with Cba about the SLC doubt...especially if they go ahead with a daily to LHR from LAX. Heck they would probably feed SLC traffic into LAX for that flight! I think if they did manage to get 6 slots at LHR, it would be x2 from JFK, x2 from ATL, x1 from LAX and x1 from CVG with the ones out of JFK and ATL being on 764's and LAX/CVG with the 763. Or do something different and keep CVG only to LGW and put that 6th flight out of JFK or ATL as a early morning daylight flight similar to what I think BA is doing out of JFK or is it VS and a the return an overnighter heading westbound.

[Edited 2007-05-12 08:07:13]

User currently offlineScotron11 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1178 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7999 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 11):

But DL has a presence in New York that it does not in LA

It's not like folks in LA don't know who DL are, so quite rightly they see an opportunity to build their base there. We could see the revival of the LAX-HKG non-stop to compete with CX. SYD?? Do DL the rights to fly to Australia??


User currently offlineBCALBOY From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7946 times:

Quoting Cba (Reply 12):
As for other potentials, MCO? Currently only VS and BA serve the route, and in the case of VS its service from LGW.

BAsvce is fm LGW as well. MCO isn-t A BIG Premium mkt ,its mostly Brits taking family on holiday.Wud be surprised if DL used scarce LHR slots for MCO.

If they get 6 pairs of slots , think they wud need more than 2/day on JFK if they want a real presence....don-t forget BA HAVE UP TO 10/DAY JFK/EWR....AA have 6 and VS have 6/7 JFK/EWR.


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5635 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7835 times:

Quoting Scotron11 (Reply 14):
SYD?? Do DL the rights to fly to Australia??

Not currently, but getting them should not be a big issue.

Might be an issue over frequency but as long as the USA is reasonable over the current DJ & JQ applications, I don't think DL will have much of a problem.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7832 times:

Quoting Scotron11 (Reply 10):
Why not? It seems the markets DL wants to serve are the very same markets that UAL serves right now. And we all know what happened to PanAm.

Thats quite funny that comment.....your joking right?....PA, had effectively no feed for their International flights, which pretty much bought about there downfall. LAX is a hub for UA, they are a major player there, your kidding yourself if you think UA is going to rollover and just let DL take market share from them on any international route, not just LHR. Look to the reinstatement of LAX-HKG for that proof!


User currently offlineScotron11 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1178 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7781 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 17):

Thats quite funny that comment.....your joking right?....PA, had effectively no feed for their International flights, which pretty much bought about there downfall. LAX is a hub for UA, they are a major player there, your kidding yourself if you think UA is going to rollover and just let DL take market share from them on any international route, not just LHR. Look to the reinstatement of LAX-HKG for that proof.

Are UAL making money? Are employees happy? Recently their pilots stated they had "no confidence" in UAL's senior management. And they want a pay rise to boot. So by DL increasing their presence in LAX and contemplating entering the LAX-LHR market, UAL, even with their feed, is the weak one, IMO. Who else would they be targeting??


User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7764 times:

Quoting B777ER (Thread starter):
I know they can dump good domestic feeds into ATL and the large O&D market in NY but that has got to be overkill.

Why? Isn't the LHR-NYC market the most popular trans-oceanic route in the world? I've done LHR-ORD, LHR-IAD and LHR-JFK, and the only route where I saw plenty of open seats were to IAD. The frequency (IMO) could be a little higher.

Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
But DL has a presence in New York that it does not in LA.

Which greatly strengthens its position to take a share of the NYC-LHR market.

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 17):
your kidding yourself if you think UA is going to rollover and just let DL take market share from them on any international route

If UA had a greater share of the NYC market, DL might have reason to be a bit pensive about this. I think it's a great idea for DL. Their strength along the East Coast (BOS, JFK, ATL, MCO) makes for excellent opportunities in providing service. And that doesn't mean they'd have to serve LHR-MCO daily, for example - they could do a couple of NYC flights per day, 1 ATL and 1 BOS, then maybe 1 or 2 days per week, they could instead service MCO in place of BOS or 1 of the NYC flights. This seems to be a great opportunity for DL.

Besides, I love flying into LHR, and would love to have opportunity to do so other than using UA out of ORD or IAD.

-R


User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2362 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7751 times:

I would think that if they had 6 slots they would go for 3 x JFK, 2 x ATL and 1 X LAX.

I don't see them using one to CVG because thos passengers could easily connect via JFK or ATL, and there are very few markets that don't have ATL service. The absence of a SkyTeam carrier on LAX-LHR gives DL just the opening they might need to make the route work on a 763.

-Aloha!



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7672 times:

Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 20):
I would think that if they had 6 slots they would go for 3 x JFK, 2 x ATL and 1 X LAX.

I would tend to agree that if DL got sufficient slots, they would no doubt make all JFK-LON flights LHR-bound. ATL can support a mix of both LHR and LGW. About the 6th slot, it's either LAX or BOS for it. CVG sees no competition, so DL can just as well keep the flight at CVG. For SLC, same as CVG, if the route happens, it'll be to LGW.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 8):
Quoting Evan767 (Reply 2):
Northeastern Brazilian Market

A very good choice from ATL.

That is dependant on whether ANAC will grant US carriers new year-round traffic rights into Brazil. That said, if that happens, no doubt DL will add a third market in Brazil

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 8):
Quoting Evan767 (Reply 2):
CAI

Could work from ATL and JFK, not sure which they would go for.

Definitely JFK, as ATL-CAI would require a 777. Sure DL is starting to push its 763s to the limit, but that will already be done with ATL-LOS, and that route is good 500mi shorter than ATL-LOS.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32731 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7665 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 2):
Northeastern Brazilian Market

You won't see them in Northeast Brazil in the short-term. A recent statment in the Brazilian press confirmed that. Delta has studied going to Northeast Brazil, but it isn't in the near-term plans. There really isn't a market right now, not until Brazil becomes more popular with Americans, in which case Atlanta-Salvador can become a great market.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 21):

That is dependant on whether ANAC will grant US carriers new year-round traffic rights into Brazil. That said, if that happens, no doubt DL will add a third market in Brazil

That is only half the story. For Delta, it depends on Brazil becoming a popular vacation destination for Americans, which means implementing a tourist visa program over what they have now. I doubt you will see Delta in Northeast Brazil anytime soon. Even ANAC has said it. Currently, ANAC has been welcoming proposals for new service (non-GIG/GRU) to the US for the past three months, and the only airline that has applied has been AA, who has asked for four year-round weekly frequencies to Recife and four to Salvador.

[Edited 2007-05-12 12:54:02]


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User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7665 times:

Quoting Cba (Reply 12):
As for other potentials, MCO? Currently only VS and BA serve the route, and in the case of VS its service from LGW.

Never gonna happen. One reason BA keeps MCO is because so many Executive Club members use miles on this route. Its the equivalent of a HNL route for a US legacy!


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6464 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7657 times:

Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 20):
I would think that if they had 6 slots they would go for 3 x JFK, 2 x ATL and 1 X LAX.

As I understand the LHR slots, if DL got 6 slots it would allow them to serve 3 round trips, not 6. Each arrival and departure requires a slot.


25 UAL777UK : I was of course referring specifically to the LAX-LHR route.
26 Flyorski : I would still love for the third one to go to SLC. However, in reality, I bet they would do ATL, JFK, and maybe LAX.
27 ChiGB1973 : Be very careful with these questions talking about DL. They are looking good right now, 2 weeks out of bankruptcy. Employees are hoping to get back w
28 BCALBOY : A slot "pair " is an arrival and departure. Problem is most Syteam slot pairs at LHR are for short-haul turnarounds which are abt 45-60mins arr to de
29 SkyyMaster : A pal of mine who works for DL says the internal company rumor mill does not put AKL very high on the list, that SYD would be the only South Pacific
30 Donder10 : How large is DL's operation at LAX right now?
31 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : SLC to SJC, SXM, POP, PUJ, NAS...? How many are logistically possible is up to debate!
32 Post contains images Brilondon : I do not think that Boeing would lose this order unless a complete reversal of policy is initiated at Delta. There may be a 10% chance of Airbus gett
33 GWYIRE : COO Jim Whitehurst said up to 35 additional widebody aircraft may be transferred from domestic to international routes. "This summer we will add eight
34 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ....I find it funny that a multi-billion dollar company, which has just come out of BK (and basically has no assets because it had to mortgage most o
35 LAXdude1023 : I was refering to the airlines that serve LAX-LHR. NZ always gets left out. They fly AKL-LAX-LHR. However I agree with your point. SYD will be the on
36 1337Delta764 : I woudn't say that Delta's chances of ordering the A350 is necessarily 0%, but is still less than 5%. Delta has a "Favored Nation" status with Boeing,
37 B777ER : Total of 12 slots...6 slot pairs is what they really want. If Boeing has not announced it yet, what do you all bet if DL comes in with a order for 10
38 Jetpixx : Does anyone think that FLL-LHR or LGW might be possible for DL? Or perhaps FLL-CDG with a 763? I have always thought that perhaps the next wave of exp
39 Evan767 : It would be JFK-CAI. The 763 couldn't make ATL-CAI. Yeah, except I think WAW could go from ATL. No, the employees are excited about the new CEO. Many
40 Cba : I don't know if CAI-ATL would be feasible on a 763 due to the hot and dry conditions. Good point. Probably wouldn't be a very high yielding route; I
41 Jacobin777 : while I'm fairly certain Boeing has extra slack built currently into their production lines, the majour issue would be that of suppliers...i.e.-would
42 Evan767 : Don't worry, we know your airline's United. I'd probably do the same thing to United.
43 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...actually I fly only on AA... ..but if it would have been AA instead of DL, I would be still saying the same thing.... Cheers....
44 Evan767 : Oh ok, I guess it's because you take so many pics of UA at SFO.
45 AirTranTUS : If DL starts JFK-LHR, would we see the JFK-LGW flights downgraded to 757's? The free 763's could then be used to free up some 764's, which would be us
46 Evan767 : I don't think you will see JFK-LGW period.
47 StarGoldLHR : UA just reduced its 2x daily to 1x daily. BA flies as does VS and NZ. Personally I think this is all DL talk. DL may do ok on the LHR-JFK, but anythi
48 B777ER : I imagine that would be for South America and the Caribbean only. Agreed..why shoot themselves in the foot when trying to fill the JFK-LHR aircraft.
49 WorldTraveler : you have probably seen most if not all of the Caribbean/leisure Mexico routes you will see from DL. They have thrown alot of new markets in and many
50 MAH4546 : It was supposed to happen in winter 2006, but it didn't. The market isn't there. If Delta opens a new focus city to Latin America, it will be in Sout
51 Post contains images LAXdude1023 : HAHA, you dont know our friend from Norcal very well do you? Hes an AA dude!!! You shouldve read how un happy he was when AA canned SJC-NRT. I see bo
52 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ......while I can't speak for others, I can certainly say I didn't see DL on the "mortality" list......I did say that it was possible (but not defini
53 WorldTraveler : it's also poorly timed and DL execs have acknowledged as much. it's actually alot like JFK.... perhaps even better. There is currently no other US ai
54 ConcordeBoy : ...though, not sure why anyone would've expected it to; as SkyTeam easily dominates the aggregate New York City market, with OneHeathroWorld nipping
55 Jacobin777 : while not a "direct" example but an example nonetheless, as you probably know, I fly on AA extensively, and my two most flown routes from the Bay Are
56 WorldTraveler : AA's costs are much higher than DL's and AA doesn't have the resources or apparent will to grow in the NE like DL does. DL also has chosen to stick a
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