Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6733 posts, RR: 8 Posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8760 times:
On May 7, I flew on KLM1666 from BCN-AMS. After landing in AMS as we taxied to the gate about 50 passengers stood up in the aisle to retrieve their bags from the overhead or just to get positioned to leave. The flight attendants did not make any announcement for the passengers to return to their seats, and the passengers continued to stand until we reached the gate. Was this typical?
AY104 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 506 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8696 times:
Not typical, and totally against safety regulations. Any time I have seen this happen, there has always been a stern announcement from the crew. On the other hand, passengers seem to have absolutely no respect for any kind of authority or announcement any more, so perhaps the flight attendants just get tired of policing all the time. I was leaving AMS for ORK in Ireland last September, a full A320 on EI, and there was only a general boarding announcement, no boarding by row numbers. Few would listen anyway. That also could have been due to the fact everyone went through security yet again at the gate during boarding, and the process was so slow anyhow. The agents actually looked worn out, probably after a hideous summer at SPL, and I really don't think they cared about whether the boarding was orderly or not, or indeed even if the flight left on time.
Seems to be getting the same here in Canada. Although AC boards by row number, few ever pay attention, and the agents often just let people go regardless of what row they are in. Then after the flight leaves, kids run up and down the aisles unsupervised by the parents. It just seems to be the trend in modern society, everything has become a free-for-all with absolutely no respect for any regulation or authority. Society as we used to know it is rapidly disappearing : the aggregate of people existing together in a more or less ordered community is going totally by the wayside, and largely contributes to the mess we have with the volumes of people traveling. I suspect people standing in the aisles after landing is just an example of this trend, and complacency by the crew with authority and safety. I don't say it is right, and I am sure that if the aircraft stopped suddenly and people were injured the airline would be in a lot of trouble for not complying with regulations.
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Hiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2188 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8591 times:
Like the paintball idea...grin
See this is what happens when the name of your aircraft ends in 'bus'. You can stand on a bus while it is driving around town so why can't you stand when an aircraft is taxiing? Heck...no red lights for an aircraft!!!
In the states I have seen folks stand...and the aircraft promptly came to a halt until they sat down. End of story.
JustPlaneNutz From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 655 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8585 times:
The comedian Gallagher had a funny skit about the lack of manners in driving. His solution was to issue everyone little rubber dart guns. Then, when the police see someone driving around with several rubber darts attached to their car, they would pull them over the give them a ticket for being an as***le.
ChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1623 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8472 times:
I had the same thing happen on a KU flight from LHR - KWI on an A-343. As soon as we hit the runway, the aisles filled with people. I was really surprised. The flight attendants did an excellent job of getting everyone seated again. The plane was full and I venture to say it was half the customers that stood up.
UK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2599 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8394 times:
This happens all the time when I fly with any carrier in the middle east. The crew can do nothing about it because as soon as one person does it every other moron does it. People in the middle east do not respect rules and are usually just out for themselves.
I used to work for an airline in the UK and if ANYONE dared get up before the seatbelt sign went out they got a serious ear-bashing from the crew in front of everyone else.
The same comparison can be made with regard to the use of mobile phones. Whenever I fly EY or EK, people are using their phones when the aircraft is on finals - you can hear phones all around you. By this time the crew are seated and often can't do anything about it. It is not taken seriously in this region. In the UK, we used to have the police meet ANYONE who turned a phone on in flight.
You're dealing with different mentalities in different parts of the world unfortunately.
Comeflywithme From Argentina, joined Sep 2006, 265 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8188 times:
Worst case I have experienced was on board a Air China flight - passengers were all over the place while we were lining up and as soon as we touched down they were up as quick as a flash.
Seemed to be the norm as nothing was said.
IAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8082 times:
Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 3): See this is what happens when the name of your aircraft ends in 'bus'. You can stand on a bus while it is driving around town so why can't you stand when an aircraft is taxiing? Heck...no red lights for an aircraft!!!
The only accident I've ever been in was on push back. The aircraft violently hit a neighboring plane. Our winglet was imbedded in their wing. The other aircraft was through ours was reparable. As the FA I was the only one standing and the only one injured( not badly thank goodness I was able to brace with the galley walls). Had any of the passengers been standing injuries could have been pretty bad and that wasn't even at full taxi speed. After that I'm pretty vigilant about the seatbelt sign. I will call the flight deck if I have to and have them stop the plane (gee I feel like mommy) until everyone is seated.
L1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1703 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7921 times:
Last summer I flew SFO-AMS on a KLM MD-11, and people were still standing in the aisle when we started pushback. I've never seen this happen on any other airline. I guess they were determined to have an on-time departure no matter what.
1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7912 times:
On a VS 747 landing at EWR the Purser gave an announcement saying to stay seated until the aircraft had stopped. As soon as he said this half the pax stood up in the aisles prompting a second announcement on the lines of 'ah I see we have a lot of deaf people on this flight as none of you listened to my announcements!'
ChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1623 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7893 times:
Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 12): I will call the flight deck if I have to and have them stop the plane (gee I feel like mommy) until everyone is seated.
People who walk around while taxiing are just looking for trouble. These are the type of people who deserve to take the next flight. While I can understand diarrhea emergencies, there are very few excuses to break this FAR.
Being mommy is very true. An FA I know was told by a customer he didn't need a mother and she told him to stop acting like a child. Though I am sure it could have been handled in any number of ways, this was her breaking point with his non-compliance. This was over an electronic device.
UAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7868 times:
I was flying PEK-ORD on UA back in the summer of 2001 and as soon as we hit the runway, many of the Chinese passengers stood up and started taking things out of the overhead bins. The flight attendants quickly made a harsh announcement in English first then Mandarin and some flight attendants even came down the aisle, took the baggage away from the Chinese passengers and told them sternly to "sit down."
I was seated next to a professor from Northwestern who was coming home after doing studies in China and she says it's common to see this in China after the aircraft lands. Though I don't remember this happening on my ORD-HKG or HKG-LAX flights.
NWA757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 678 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7727 times:
An announcement I make quite regularly is after landing is, "Releasing your seat-belts prematurely will not get you off this plane any faster, in fact you will be one of the last off the planes because you will help us clean it." that works sometimes I got tired of repeating, " you are in violation of Federal Aviation Regulations..." because people really don't give a shit about that.
the general flying public doesnt realize that basically the moment you step into a commerical airport you are under the control of the federal government.
CPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4872 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7706 times:
Quoting UAL747 (Reply 18): Though I don't remember this happening on my ORD-HKG or HKG-LAX flights.
Although they are part of the same country and is slowly starting to blend in, HK people behave very differently to most of the mainland Chinese so your experience bears this out. They will also queue in shops and restaurants, whereas in China it is common to push to the front. Even between Hong Kong and Macau there is a huge difference in the amount of respect for rules.
Christopherwoo From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7653 times:
Not so long ago i was on a flight landing in Milan Malpensa and, being the typical Italian (no offence meant, but you know what i mean) we were on the highspeed turnoff from the runway when a man got up. Captain got told to hold at end of the taxiway, he braked suddenly and violently to meet the atc's request sending the man headfirst over the seat in front landing on his shoulder. These are exactly the reasons why we don't allow people to stand up. It annoys the hell out of me when people are too dumb to understand that the seatbelt sign applies to them too, not just everyone else.
On a funnier note, quite a few of the captains that work at my company, when they hear the F/A's over the PA telling pax to sit back down, brake suddenly or take a corner quite quickly. It usually gets the message across and anyone who was standing up either sits back down quite quickly or gets what they deserve
Eirjet From Ireland, joined Jul 2005, 330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7264 times:
People standing in aisles as the aircraft taxi's to the stand is becoming an all too common scene around the world.
Rush, rush, rush.... thats the name of the game.
I personally prefer to remain seated as its more comfortable, but those people who stand do so at their own risk,and if it helps them get to that all important final destination well fine, I am not going to stop them.
It will take a serious injury at some occasion for people to see sense.
Just my two cents
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Lgbga From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6625 times:
I recently retuned to ATL from MEX on a full DL757where as soon as we touched down almost half the aircraft unbuckled and stood up to retrive their items from the overhead bins. The flight attendants made an annoucement to sit down and instead of returning to their seats, people just started squatting down in the aisle. It took a couple of more annoucements and finally an annoucement from the pilot saying that he would totally stop the plane if everyone did not immediately sit down. We were barely moving he had slowed so much. I guess the majority had never been to ATL where it can take a long time to taxi to the gate. That time it took about 20 minutes.
Levent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6514 times:
In my experience, this happens all the time on flights to Turkey. The cabin crew usually doesn't bother to make any announcements.
The worst I've seen is on a flight from Shanghai to Bangkok, where an Indian guy stood up immediately after touch down and started to make his way forward. Needless to say, the thrust reversers helped him accelerate to his destination... he ended up flat on the floor. On top of that a flight attendant tried to help him get up and he yelled at her; I suppose he was ashamed and reacted in a wrong way.
Also, on an Iberia flight, the captain failed to make an announcement before landing for the cabin crew to be seated. The purser kept going and was still standing as the plane touched down. However, the landing was very smooth and she didn't have any difficulty keeping on her feet.
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: Haha...That's true... When we flew from HKG to PEK by Dragonair, i was so suprised that there were so many chinese men standing up in the aisle when t
: same here, unless I´m entering the US. Then I don´t care what happens, but I don´t want to be stuck at the end of the queue
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: I would have told those silly gooses to sit down.
: This one works best. It's funnier than all get out to see people try to hold on and stay standing. They get the point. Dolts.
: They won't. They sue the airline instead.
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