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Delta To Start JFK-SCL (Rumor)?  
User currently offlineEastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 879 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8713 times:

I have heard rumors for a while about the plans for this route. The rumors are getting louder and louder and I head there could be new by the end of the year. Does anybody know if this is true?


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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2926 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8693 times:

Traffic between the USA Chile is quite thin. If DL does this, would they go daily, which would require 2 widebodies? Do they have 2 widebodies for such a flight?

A curious rumor as I would think there are other markets that DL would be much more successful in than JFK-SCL.


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8545 times:

JFK-EZE maybe. Who are you hearing your rumors from?


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21654 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8524 times:

LAN can't even do JFK-SCL without a stop in LIM, so I doubt DL could. They already have their ATL-SCL flight, which provides a lot more connection opportunities than JFK could.

-Mir



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User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8429 times:

Catherine Lira Sales Manager of Delta, here in Chile said a few weeks ago that the company will announce a second non stop flight to SCL from ATL. However flight from JFK to SCL are planned but no date.

The grow of Delta in the Chilean markets grow 25 to 30% during the 2006. In response of that Delta Air Lines switched its B767-300ER to Boeing 767-400ER on the ATL-SCL route. The excellent numbers and the the growth of the traffic gives good perspective to the company to expand its network.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7640 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8365 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
LAN can't even do JFK-SCL without a stop in LIM, so I doubt DL could. They already have their ATL-SCL flight, which provides a lot more connection opportunities than JFK could.

Thats crazy that they can pull off JFK-SCL. LAN flies LAX-SCL nonstop and DL and AA make ATL/DFW-SCL work. DFW and ATL are tiny markets compared to NYC. It must be the connections offered.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32869 posts, RR: 71
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8340 times:

Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 4):
Catherine Lira Sales Manager of Delta, here in Chile said a few weeks ago that the company will announce a second non stop flight to SCL from ATL. However flight from JFK to SCL are planned but no date.

A second ATL-SCL flight operated two winters ago and performed pretty poorly. I'd be surprised to see DL do JFK-SCL. The market is small, and they bigger fish to fry, like JFK-EZE or JFK-GIG.



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User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8312 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
A second ATL-SCL flight operated two winters ago and performed pretty poorly. I'd be surprised to see DL do JFK-SCL. The market is small, and they bigger fish to fry, like JFK-EZE or JFK-GIG

But with the growth of the Chilean market and the good result of the ATL-SCL route with the 764, Delta will try again to offer two frequencies. However at this moment is only announcement of a new flight.


User currently offlineDeltasju777 From Puerto Rico, joined Feb 2006, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8177 times:

I would expect JFK-LIM, or JFK-GIG to work before JFK-SCL.

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11439 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8123 times:
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Quoting Deltasju777 (Reply 8):
I would expect JFK-LIM, or JFK-GIG to work before JFK-SCL.

I would not include LIM as they have the lower fares on the region (except BOG and CCS that are closer). A MIA-LIM C ticket costs US$ 2,000, a LGA-ATL-LIM ticket costs (C class) US$ 2,700. The same ticket for SCL, GIG, GRU, EZE costs at least US$ 4,000 if you buy in advance, or US$ 7,500 if it's a last minute.

For me the next step for DL would be JFK-EZE flight because of available frequencies. JFK-GIG depends on more frequencies on bilateral, and not to forget about planes !

Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 4):
The grow of Delta in the Chilean markets grow 25 to 30% during the 2006. In response of that Delta Air Lines switched its B767-300ER to Boeing 767-400ER on the ATL-SCL route. The excellent numbers and the the growth of the traffic gives good perspective to the company to expand its network.

RJ_Delta, can you please explain me if the flight perform so well, why DL will downgrade ATL-SCL next week back to 763 ? It's too late to offer a second flight during the IATA summer in my opinion !

Felipe



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User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8070 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
can you please explain me if the flight perform so well, why DL will downgrade ATL-SCL next week back to 763

The downgrade to B763 during the winter season (south hemisphere) are planned since the beginning.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
It's too late to offer a second flight during the IATA summer in my opinion !

Of course too late, Delta has only announced a posibility to offer a second flight to SCL.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8025 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
For me the next step for DL would be JFK-EZE flight because of available frequencies. JFK-GIG depends on more frequencies on bilateral, and not to forget about planes !

Lack of planes is not necessarily that much of a factor. E.g. DL could start both JFK-EZE and JFK-GIG during the winter season when they reduce their flight to Europe massively (IIRC, they require 8 767s less for their winter transatlantic schedule compared to summer) and thus have the planes, and by the time the next summer season comes, they'll have plenty ex-TWA 757s and some more 764s available. So essentially, it is all about getting the traffic rights to GIG and EZE to operate the flights.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 45
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7995 times:

Look for JFK-EZE before JFK-GIG and JFK-SCL.


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11439 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7942 times:
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Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 12):
Look for JFK-EZE before JFK-GIG and JFK-SCL.

Agree 100%, JFK-EZE in my opinion is the next DL destination to South America.

Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 10):
The downgrade to B763 during the winter season (south hemisphere) are planned since the beginning.

Thanks, but even for IATA winter, it's not confirmed a 764 yet.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 11):
Lack of planes is not necessarily that much of a factor. E.g. DL could start both JFK-EZE and JFK-GIG during the winter season when they reduce their flight to Europe massively (IIRC, they require 8 767s less for their winter transatlantic schedule compared to summer) and thus have the planes, and by the time the next summer season comes, they'll have plenty ex-TWA 757s and some more 764s available. So essentially, it is all about getting the traffic rights to GIG and EZE to operate the flights.

DL could try to request to ANAC the rights for a seasonal GIG-JFK service, if they want. ANAC use to be interested in any alternatives out of the over crowded São Paulo. JFK-EZE in my opinion can be year round as they can obtain the required frequencies.

Felipe



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User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2046 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks ago) and read 7869 times:

Remember when CO operated a DC10-30 from EWR to SCL. That was way too much airplane for that route. If NYC to SCL is all that viable, CO would have probably would have kept it. They also tried EWR-GIG. Didn't AA also do JFK-GIG?

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7640 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks ago) and read 7863 times:

Quoting Klwright69 (Reply 14):
Remember when CO operated a DC10-30 from EWR to SCL. That was way too much airplane for that route. If NYC to SCL is all that viable, CO would have probably would have kept it. They also tried EWR-GIG. Didn't AA also do JFK-GIG?

I keep waiting for CO to do IAH-SCL. Eventually maybe.  optimist 



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4079 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7758 times:

Quoting Deltasju777 (Reply 8):
I would expect JFK-LIM, or JFK-GIG to work before JFK-SCL.

I think you'll see them do LAX-LIM before you would see them try this one out of JFK. I think ATL-LIM has DL's eastern market well covered. Just a hunch, but even LAX-SCL might be more viable.  twocents 



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User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7581 times:

Quoting Klwright69 (Reply 14):
Remember when CO operated a DC10-30 from EWR to SCL. That was way too much airplane for that route. If NYC to SCL is all that viable, CO would have probably would have kept it.

The Continental flight to SCL was in a DC10 an older and expensive aircraft. Also they don't have good profits on the route so they switch to a B757-200 with a one stop in Lima. However the Goverment of the US limited to Continental can you the five freedom between LIM and SCL as a protest agains the political situaion in this time in Peru (when the reelection and the "dictatorial" regime of Fujimori). So after the few weeks, Continental decide to drop the SCL route. Also remember that Continental didn't have a long range airfract with medium capacity as today, fo example the B762.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23058 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7511 times:

Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 4):
Catherine Lira Sales Manager of Delta, here in Chile said a few weeks ago that the company will announce a second non stop flight to SCL from ATL.

Sales managers can say all they want, but I would say that the performance of the second daily when it ran speaks for itself. The only way a second flight could make money is on cargo, but if cargo alone were enough, they'd have kept the 10 weekly flights from the northern hemisphere winter (05-06).



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User currently offlineEastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 879 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7349 times:

The flight could operate few days out f the week.


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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7338 times:

Quoting Eastern023 (Reply 19):
The flight could operate few days out f the week.

What is the source of your rumors.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7253 times:

Quoting Klwright69 (Reply 14):
If NYC to SCL is all that viable, CO would have probably would have kept it.

Latn America is a much larger travel market than it was 10 or more years ago and the market is growing very strongly.

What worked for CO years ago w/ a DC10 is no prediction of what can or will happen with DL today w/ 767s.

I agree w/ Alitalia744 that we are more likely to see JFK-EZE but it is also possible that DL could do some day of week flying to other cities in S. America.

Remember also that DL has now said that LAX, not JFK will be its 2nd Latin American gateway.


User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6900 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 1):
which would require 2 widebodies?

Why would it require 2 aircraft? At 10.5 hours each direction, it is conceiveable that the route could be offered with one aircraft.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23058 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6871 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 22):
Why would it require 2 aircraft? At 10.5 hours each direction, it is conceiveable that the route could be offered with one aircraft.

Flying a daylight schedule would take the route from marginal to untenable. There's a reason DL doesn't fly any daylight flights to or from deep South America.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11439 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6678 times:
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Quoting Klwright69 (Reply 14):
Remember when CO operated a DC10-30 from EWR to SCL. That was way too much airplane for that route. If NYC to SCL is all that viable, CO would have probably would have kept it. They also tried EWR-GIG. Didn't AA also do JFK-GIG?

Both EWR-GIG and JFK-GIG has been dropped just after 9/11 and also due to the devaluation of Brazilian Real against the US$.

Felipe



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25 Cubsrule : Are those routes close enough to being viable that they would work if Brazil dropped the visa requirement for U.S. citizens?
26 LipeGIG : I would say that even without easy visa requirements for Americans a GIG-JFK is viable nowadays. With almost 6 daily flights NYC-Brazil (all of them
27 Stirling : The hold would need to be filled with grapes, tomatoes, and other fruits: to capacity, and even then, the dedicated cargo market already has this seg
28 Cubsrule : Isn't the new runway at SCL north of 12,000 feet? And, for that matter, IPC is right around the same length as IQQ (just over 3300 meters) because it
29 RJ_Delta : Tthe cargo is necesary to hold the commercial flights. Chile has a large cargo movements howevewr all dominated by LAN Cargo, Polar Air Cargo, Cielos
30 PanAm747LHR : Actually, it has nothing to do with can or cannot - LAN has benefitted greatly from the 5th freedom rights they have between JFK and LIM/GYE and SCL.
31 RJ_Delta : From June 2, LAN will offer 4 non stop flight to LAX and 2 nonstop flight to JFK both from SCL because the Peruvian Goverment in a political resoluti
32 Post contains images Stirling : The website I use for such info must be out of date then...... Last I heard, it was at 10,885ft, or 6 feet shorter than IQQ. (Which is technically 10
33 RJ_Delta : They carrier textil products from Chile, Bolivia and Argentina plus agricultural products. What means that the area is sorrounded by desert? Of cours
34 Cubsrule : As far as I know. Runways don't generally shrink overnight. I wouldn't be shocked if that was the closest sport to Iquique that is large and flat eno
35 Arcano : LA is starting SCL/LAX and SCL/JFK nonstop Really? I thought ANF was the second Iquique is located in a very thin coastal platform, where there's no
36 Post contains links Stirling : I was thinking the other way, if IPC had got an extention Figure of speech. IQQ has a lot more runway than most Chilean airports. (SCL excepted) It w
37 Collin260 : AA already has that route covered!
38 RJ_Delta : Ok maybe you can't see or can't foudn logical .. but the fact is the cargo activity exist with textil and agricultural products from North of Chile,
39 Arcano : Sorry, I wanted to stand that Iquique is tax free CITY
40 DAL767400ER : And that would keep Delta from opening that market because?
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