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What Foreign Airlines Hire American Pilots?  
User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8278 times:

Was watching a video of a Saudi 777 at PRG on Flightlevel350.com and noticed the pilot at the radio had an American accent. Just wondering what airlines out there hire American pilots/crew that are not based in the US.

UAL

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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8259 times:

Emirates does for a fact. They have an extensive recruitment network. I've considered applying with them.

User currently offlineHigherflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8192 times:

By no means is this list comprehensive. Just some of the airlines I have checked out as recently 'hiring' US pilots, not necessarily airlines you would want to work for or who at this exact moment are hiring.

Saudi Arabian
Emirates
Qatar Airways
Gulf Air
Etihad
Air Arabia
Al Jazeera
Singapore Airlines
Cathay Pacific
Korean Airlines
Kingfisher Airlines
Jet Airways
All Nippon Airways (through contract agents)
JAL (through contract agents)
China Airlines
Eva Air

There are no shortage of threads on this subject here or on other message boards such as pprune.org.


User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1781 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7989 times:

I know for a fact that Skymark airlines in Japan does. And of course, all of the group airlines of JAL. I know that JEX and JAA (?) does. And I also read the threat that Oasis in Hong Kong is trying to recruite many ex-CX people so I would think that they would have a couple of Americans as well.


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7504 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7842 times:

Just about every airline overseas tries to hire American pilots, along with British ones. Cathay for example has their 744 pilot base in San Francisco.


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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7822 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 4):
Just about every airline overseas tries to hire American pilots, along with British ones.

I suggest you re-visit your sources of information. The UK and most of the EU won't even recognize a FAA license. Some other airlines will hire Americans but only since the pool of UK/EU pilots (experienced) is non-existant.


User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7774 times:

Just curious, do US airlines employ non-US pilots? For example on 5th freedom routes between two other countries?

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9378 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7766 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 4):
Just about every airline overseas tries to hire American pilots, along with British ones

I'm not sure what you mean by overseas. You see a lot of Asian airlines hiring American pilots since there is a shortage of trained pilots in Asia. The general aviation market is small in many countries including India and the middle east, so you will see those airlines looking to America's glut of trained pilots. The United States has so many training locations. You see demand for US pilots because they are easy to find. A pilot from the United States that might be flying Dash 8s or CRJs in the US might have enough hours and be recruited to fly 737s in Asia. There is just such rapid expansion in some areas that the pilot pool is just not big enough.



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User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2223 posts, RR: 39
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7597 times:

Quoting ANother (Reply 6):
do US airlines employ non-US pilots

As long as you have an FAA License and legal working rights in the US, most US Airlines will hire expat pilots. I know a couple aussies that fly here for Continental. Another friend of mine from Columbia I believe flew for my old regional flying Jetstream 31's.

Personally, I noly know of two people flying with non-US carriers and that is a friend at Cathay and one at Eva Airlines. I know Emirates, JAL, and Jade Air Cargo are hiring US pilots. Dont get me started on the Indian carriers....they'll hire anyone that breathes and has a license. (Scares the crap out of me when I found out a CFI Student left here in Houston and went right seat to an Airbus with 300 total time...thats just scary...another reason I dont fly Indian Carriers).

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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21105 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7568 times:

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 5):
The UK and most of the EU won't even recognize a FAA license.

Isn't there some number of hours (5,000 IIRC) at which the JAA will recognize an FAA ATP without having to do all the conversion exams?

-Mir



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User currently offlineKLM685 From Mexico, joined May 2005, 1577 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7538 times:

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 5):
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 4):
Just about every airline overseas tries to hire American pilots, along with British ones.

I suggest you re-visit your sources of information. The UK and most of the EU won't even recognize a FAA license. Some other airlines will hire Americans but only since the pool of UK/EU pilots (experienced) is non-existant.

I think he meant that british pilots are ALSO hired under the same preference that airlines might have for native English speaking pilots. Not that British airlines hire American pilots.



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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7347 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 9):
Isn't there some number of hours (5,000 IIRC) at which the JAA will recognize an FAA ATP without having to do all the conversion exams?

You are referring to having 3000 hours in a MCC, plus there's a minimum weight limit and then you only have to sit 2 of the papers (air law and human factors).

Quoting ATCT (Reply 8):
(Scares the crap out of me when I found out a CFI Student left here in Houston and went right seat to an Airbus with 300 total time...thats just scary...another reason I dont fly Indian Carriers).

Then I wouldn't look at any Cadet schemes that exist in every part of the world except N. America. It's not uncommon to see pilots with 200 hours in the right seat of a 744.


User currently offlineGib From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7266 times:

My friends brother was a SR MD-11 driver.

User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7071 times:

AFAIK DragonAir has British Pilots. I don't know if this is to do with them being in HK or simply that foreigners are allowed; my guess is that it was probably the former, but then became the latter.

User currently offlineSean-SAN- From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 764 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6959 times:

Fair or not, there seems to be a preference to have at least one native English speaking pilot on board many airlines for overseas flights.

User currently offlineGeorgebush From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 679 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6936 times:

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 1):
Emirates does for a fact.

YUP! My friend got hired with them right out of College!! While all his friends moved on to the commuters to start their careers, he was crusieing around DXB in a 777-300 soon to be getting certified on the A380. And he is only 25 years old...



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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6878 times:

Quoting Sean-SAN- (Reply 14):
Fair or not, there seems to be a preference to have at least one native English speaking pilot

Er....what's a "native" English pilot....?


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5014 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6816 times:

Quoting ATCT (Reply 8):
Another friend of mine from Columbia I believe flew for my old regional flying Jetstream 31's.

= You mean the country Colombia and not the fleet jacket maker right?

-A.



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User currently offlineIADCA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1243 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6792 times:

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 16):
Er....what's a "native" English pilot....?

Someone whose first language was English, which usually means being from a primarily English-speaking country...so mainly Brits, Americans, Aussies, Irish, but could also be from many other places (former British colonies..hmmm...like Australia...mainly).


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6769 times:

All the Private Airlines out here requires Pilots,Commanders can be Expats:-
Jet Airways :- B73-400/500/700/800/900,ATR72-500
Indigo:- A320
KingFisher :- A320/21
SpiceJet:- B73-400/800
Paramount:- E170
GoAir:- A320
Blue Dart:- B737-200SF,B757-200SF
First Flight:- ATP Turboprops.

regds
MEL



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User currently offline400drvr From Ireland, joined Apr 2007, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6726 times:

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 11):
Then I wouldn't look at any Cadet schemes that exist in every part of the world except N. America. It's not uncommon to see pilots with 200 hours in the right seat of a 744.

Yep, but I have flown with these guys...and it ain't pretty. Don't get me wrong you can train to proficiency but in the US there is a step climb process to heavies. In Asia its Seneca to 400...not ideal.

Also as an American you can get on with some Euro carriers...e.g. Ryanair etc. not sure how they work the legalities but its doable.

400d


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6689 times:

Quoting IADCA (Reply 18):
Someone whose first language was English, which usually means being from a primarily English-speaking country...so mainly Brits, Americans, Aussies, Irish, but could also be from many other places (former British colonies..hmmm...like Australia...mainly).



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 19):
All the Private Airlines out here requires Pilots,Commanders can be Expats:-
Jet Airways :- B73-400/500/700/800/900,ATR72-500
Indigo:- A320
KingFisher :- A320/21
SpiceJet:- B73-400/800
Paramount:- E170
GoAir:- A320
Blue Dart:- B737-200SF,B757-200SF
First Flight:- ATP Turboprops.

regds
MEL

Yes, in India there is currently a shortage of pilots, thanks to the boom in aviation.....however, over the years airlines in India have done fine with Indian pilots (whose English is as good as any pilot from the "native English world").... smile 

I guess this shortage situation in India will continue for at least 4-5 years, after which there will typically be a glut, with a lot of young people training to be pilots....that's typically how it goes in India.....so, the expat pilots have a few years more to make hay while the sun shines on the aviation sector in India.....


User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6653 times:

Just to add to the list is VN


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6479 times:

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 21):
.....so, the expat pilots have a few years more to make hay while the sun shines on the aviation sector in India.....

Agreed.The Expats are normally recruited on a contract basis system with paid holidays & subject to annual renewal.
Currently only Expat commanders are eligible as Local F/Os are plenty.
regds
MEL



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