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User currently offlineApollo13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11304 times:

will they ever extend the runway out over the beach and if so when? i am planning on going there in late 2008, will it be too late then?

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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11180 times:

Unlikely, doing so would only gain an extra 100 feet. There is also a road between the beach and the runway that would be lost. If they were to lengthen the runway I believe they would go the other way and reclaim part of the bay.

User currently offline787KQ From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10840 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 1):
Unlikely, doing so would only gain an extra 100 feet. There is also a road between the beach and the runway that would be lost. If they were to lengthen the runway I believe they would go the other way and reclaim part of the bay.

The bay meaning the famous beach? Possible.

The other end is where the main road from Philipsburg to the Maho Bay area and the airport terminal are. So expansion likely would be into the famous beach and infill in the water. But its not needed so I hope it doesn't happen.


User currently offlineJayDub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10647 times:

Why would they bother? I can see resurfacing at some point, but is there really a need for extension? It seems to suit widebodies just fine. Maybe a little bit tight...but they make it work. Besides, extending over the beach would take away one of the unique things about SXM...something that is the reason many make the trek to St. Maarten.

And, so help me God, if someone answers my rhetorical questions with "I think they should extend it so the A380 can go there..."  banghead 


User currently offlineFLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1184 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10626 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 1):
Unlikely, doing so would only gain an extra 100 feet. There is also a road between the beach and the runway that would be lost. If they were to lengthen the runway I believe they would go the other way and reclaim part of the bay.



Quoting 787KQ (Reply 2):
The bay meaning the famous beach? Possible.

The other end is where the main road from Philipsburg to the Maho Bay area and the airport terminal are. So expansion likely would be into the famous beach and infill in the water. But its not needed so I hope it doesn't happen.

Hmmmm, trying to remember here from when I was there in 2005. If I recall correctly, the runway is surrounded by key roads that connect businesses and hotels and such to main roads. I just don't know where they would go. Also, Maho Beach (that famous beach) is the beach for a large hotel/resort, so they would complicate that business.

I'm excited. I'll be at Maho on July 26, yeah!!!!

FLY2LIM



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User currently offlineDH106 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10575 times:

I would think the only option for extension would be the beach end as the other side would take the departue end of the runway closer to the hills opposite - departing aircraft already perform an early right turn for clearance.
Regarding the access road by the beach - perhaps a Gibraltar type solution with a controlled road crossing a runway extend out into they bay. Would be a crying shame to lose Maho beach though !!  Wow!



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4056 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10370 times:

Quoting DH106 (Reply 5):
I would think the only option for extension would be the beach end as the other side would take the departue end of the runway closer to the hills opposite - departing aircraft already perform an early right turn for clearance.
Regarding the access road by the beach - perhaps a Gibraltar type solution with a controlled road crossing a runway extend out into they bay. Would be a crying shame to lose Maho beach though !! (wow)

I'm not so certain that going onto the famous Maho Bay Beach is part of the long term plan for SXM:

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It looks as if there is work going on over on the Simpson Bay side (Runway 27). I don't think they're going to touch the famous runway 9 side:

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http://www.pjiae.com/main.html

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The 28,000 square-meter addition will nearly double the size and passenger capacity of the current facility: it will be able to accommodate 2.5 million passengers per year - 1 million more than it can now. 54,000 square meters of land was reclaimed from the Simpson Bay lagoon for its construction. Koop Holding Europe, headquartered in Groningen, the Netherlands is the main contractor for the project; Netherlands Airport Consultants (NACO) has been engaged to conduct supervision.
By executing Phase II, PJIAE is ensuring continued compliance with the increasing international safety and security standards, to meet future traffic demand and to improve the level of service at the airport. Once completed the Phase II developments will also anchor and enhance St. Maarten’s position as a preferred tourist destination and PJIA’s position as the premier gateway in the North Eastern Caribbean. RBTT Merchant Bank is the principal financier of the project.

There is nearly another two miles of space over the Simpson Bay lagoon to clear Sentry Hill, an a/c typically make a hard left or right bank upon acheiving a complete rotation. This typically takes them between the two high points on the island, the other being Mt Paradis.

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User currently offlineJamesbaldwyn From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9517 times:

Can It handle the A380 ? Not that I can image it there.

User currently offlineAtnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9271 times:

Quoting Jamesbaldwyn (Reply 7):
Can It handle the A380 ? Not that I can image it there.

From what it's said, the A380 can land anywhere a B744 can, and also the A380 requires less runway than the 747 for takeoff and landing.... The idea of a A380 landing at SXM may not be that far off, but of course I really doubt it will ever have schedule service... However, didn't the A380 land at some other airports in the caribbean that are similar in lenght to SXM? I'm pretty sure it did, just don't remember where... Someone I'm sure will know and can provide the runway figures.



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4056 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8632 times:

Quoting Atnight (Reply 8):
From what it's said, the A380 can land anywhere a B744 can, and also the A380 requires less runway than the 747 for takeoff and landing.... The idea of a A380 landing at SXM may not be that far off, but of course I really doubt it will ever have schedule service...

Both AF and KLM have historically loved sending in their 747s during the peak months (Nov-May). But I highly doubt we'll see an A380 coming through this airport for some years, unless for some odd reason it is a charter or a plug-in/replacement a/c. AF turned increasingly to the A343 after @2002 for Paris-SXM service. Not sure if KLM has any equipment changes in mind in the not to distant future.

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User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8557 times:

KLM is sending the MD 11 to SXM from now on... unless the use a B744 to substitute reasons

User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4056 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8462 times:

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 10):
KLM is sending the MD 11 to SXM from now on... unless the use a B744 to substitute reasons

Interesting. It seams all the shots that end up in the database are still 744s, but the MD-11 is a good choice for SXM:

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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5090 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8411 times:

Though, I could see a 380 being sent for a photo-shoot  Smile.

-A.



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User currently offlineIndio66 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7155 times:

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 10):
KLM is sending the MD 11 to SXM from now on... unless the use a B744 to substitute reasons

Indeed, I am down here and saw it land on Friday. I think if they expand the runway, it wil be into the lagoon and not the famous beach. The question is the mountains at that end of the runway.


User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7106 times:

Quoting Indio66 (Reply 13):
Indeed, I am down here and saw it land on Friday. I think if they expand the runway, it wil be into the lagoon and not the famous beach. The question is the mountains at that end of the runway.

Big jets will always land from the ocean.but takeoff is happening either way


User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4850 times:

I'll be there for a week beginning June 14th! I can't wait!

User currently offlineN710PS From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4394 times:

Simma simma now everyone! The Airport Director in everyone is coming out and this question was just that a circumstancial question.


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User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2899 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4202 times:

Quoting N710PS (Reply 16):
The Airport Director in everyone is coming out and this question was just that a circumstancial question.

Sorry, can't resist!

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 6):
Netherlands Airport Consultants (NACO) has been engaged to conduct supervision.

Here's the plan suggested by NACO:

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User currently offlineSJC4Me From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4130 times:

Why don they just blow up part of the mountain?  bomb  Would create a nice little gap for someone to fly through.  airplane 


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User currently offlineB52murph From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4037 times:

If anything, don't today's jets require less runway @ MTOW than the classics? Looking @ departedflights.com the route in Nov '79 JFK-SXM was on AA with a 707; were those runs weight restricted? I also flew there myself in Apr '85 on a PA 747-100 and back on a PA 747SP; no problems, obviously.

User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3988 times:

Quoting B52murph (Reply 19):

B747 can takeoff from Sxm with pax and fuel for up to 3-4 hours easily it is with full payload and fuel to reach Europe that a B744 would have problems runway to short


User currently offlineTockeyhockey From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 950 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

the runway is being extended into simpson bay. however, the maho beach side will be affected in that landings and takeoffs won't occur as closely to the famous maho fence as they once did once the runway is extended.

User currently offlineBoris342 From Australia, joined Mar 2007, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2368 times:

A bit of creative photoshopping and you have the arrival of the first A380 at TNCM!!

http://homepage.mac.com/tempone_phot.../Nikon%20D200/A380%20at%20TNCM.jpg

HAHA! How awesome.

Cheers.

Alex T.


User currently offlineApollo13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1924 times:

When will all of this happen?

User currently offlineSJC4Me From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1653 times:

Quoting Boris342 (Reply 22):
A bit of creative photoshopping and you have the arrival of the first A380 at TNCM!!

Looks like a whale just jumped out of the ocean.



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