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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12339 posts, RR: 18
Posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11277 times:
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Now that thread #4 has reached over 200+ posts, heres thread #5.

Previous NZ Aviation Threads:
New Zealand Aviation Thread (by 777ER Feb 23 2007 in Civil Aviation)
New Zealand Aviation Thread #2 (by 777ER Mar 9 2007 in Civil Aviation)
New Zealand Aviation Thread #3 (by 777ER Mar 29 2007 in Civil Aviation)
New Zealand Aviation Thread #4 (by 777ER Apr 25 2007 in Civil Aviation)

In thread #4 we learnt that:

AKL-YVR bookings are lookg good. The last Saab 340 flight willbe on September 23rd, possibly flight NZ8363 from AKL-NSN. 3x B733s are due for a re-paint in September, could be in the new colours also! NZ and FJ have started their code-shares between AKL-NAN-LAX. The RNZAF fleet of Hercules will receive an instant $21.2million self-protection upgrade. An NZ B733 flight between WLG-AKL, made an emegency landing at Ohakea Airforce base recently, leaving pax and roughly 15 MPs stranded. The CAA was refusing to grant NZ permission to land an A320 at the Airforce base to pick up the stranded pax. One of the MPs got on his phone and phoned his work mate who is incharge of the CAA, transport etc who phoned the CAA boss and permission was granted for NZ to land an A320 at Ohakea. The flight finally landed at AKL at 3am. NZs B733s are about to receive extra Y seats, bringing the total of seats to 142. NZ have also purchased kits to remove the eye-brows on their B733 fleet. QF have announced that they are axing the AKL-ADL service.

Let Thread #5 begin

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User currently offlineBNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3189 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11223 times:

Hmm; and what thread number is Australia on.

142 seats in a 733 is a little squashly at least NZ is a small country.  Silly



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User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1763 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11197 times:

Quoting BNE (Reply 1):
what thread number is Australia on

Not sure, that seem to have disappeared!


This may have been asked before: when will the least for the NZ A320 expire, and when does NZ intend to keep ZK-NCO till? Thanks.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12339 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11168 times:
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Quoting BNE (Reply 1):
Hmm; and what thread number is Australia on.

Thread 2

Quoting BNE (Reply 1):
142 seats in a 733 is a little squashly at least NZ is a small country.

Apparantly thou, the seat pitch will remain at 30"


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12339 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11166 times:
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Air NZ's cuts starting to bite

Wellington is suffering from a lack of capacity on trans-Tasman flights, says the city's airport.


International passenger numbers rose 3.1 per cent in April on a year ago, but capacity cuts announced by Air New Zealand in November are now beginning to hit, it says.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4059457a13.html


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12339 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11165 times:
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This was announced in thread 3, and now its in the papers

Air NZ tipped to win big contract

Air New Zealand is expected to land a big contract to maintain Hawaiian Airlines' fleet of Boeing 767-300 aircraft in Auckland.


The airline would not comment on the deal, but an announcement was expected about the end of next month.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4059456a13.html


User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2372 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11123 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Air New Zealand is expected to land a big contract to maintain Hawaiian Airlines' fleet of Boeing 767-300 aircraft in Auckland

Sounds exciting.

I heard that Hawaiian would ferry the planes to/from PPG to AKL on our twice weekly (3x in the summer) flights to PPG. Any word yet on possible HA service between HNL And AKL....perhaps a partnership with ANZ (taking over the route for them??)

-Aloha!



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User currently offlineMegatop747-412 From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11115 times:

Quoting CChan reply=150 in Thread#4:
What are the practical uses of these eyebrow windows (i.e. why they are there for a start)?

This may seem a little late for an answer, but I just found this piece of text browsing thru the B737 info pages at Wikipedia:

Most 737 cockpits are equipped with "eyebrow windows" positioned above the main glareshield. Eyebrow windows were a feature of the original 707. They allowed for greater visibility in turns, and offered better sky views if navigating by stars. With modern avionics, they became redundant, and many pilots actually placed newspapers or other objects in them to block out sun glare. They were eliminated from the 737 cockpit design in 2004, although they are still installed in military variants and at customer request.

Here is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737-300

Hope I'm not too late..!


User currently offlineSpinalTap From New Zealand, joined Mar 2005, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11061 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 4):
Air NZ's cuts starting to bite

Wellington is suffering from a lack of capacity on trans-Tasman flights, says the city's airport.

International passenger numbers rose 3.1 per cent in April on a year ago, but capacity cuts announced by Air New Zealand in November are now beginning to hit, it says.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4059457a13.html

Well if Qantas would switch to Jetstar they would probably lift the capacity but demand may increase too due to lower fares. Given their nine A320 orders* which are to be received over 15 months from late this year and their listing of Wellington as a destination for their destination guides **, it might be expected that Jetstar will launch WLG sometime within the next 18 months but who knows maybe Tiger's launch in Australia will cause a delay.

* http://atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=8408
** http://www.arrivalguides.com/GuidesF...group=city&dest=wellington&flag=en



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User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3334 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11060 times:

Anyone else seen the cross-wind landing video on FlightGlobal.com? Unsurprisingly, much of the footage is from WLG and quite impressive.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...7/landing-in-a-crosswind-easy.html

Don't know how to embed video footage direct into this site, but if anyone else does...

Regards
MH



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12339 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11044 times:
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Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 9):
Anyone else seen the cross-wind landing video on FlightGlobal.com? Unsurprisingly, much of the footage is from WLG and quite impressive.

There are some good videos of WLG landings on youtube





User currently offlineDarenw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10936 times:

Clearing The Air - Sign The Petition! (by Dsa May 14 2007 in Civil Aviation)


Have a read and sign if you agree


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12339 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10900 times:
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Just had a look at Air West Coast's web-site and noticed that they have now got a Dorner 228, ZK-VIR in service between Greymouth, West Port and WLG. Its parked at WLG from 9am till 4.45pm monday to friday

User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3339 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10892 times:

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
QF have announced that they are axing the AKL-ADL service.

This is surprising, given that QF retimed its service to connect onto its LAX services.
How is NZ performing on the sector??


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12339 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10875 times:
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Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 13):

NZ are putting on more flights to 5x per week due to demand. NZ have needed B763s on the route also.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 10794 times:

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
NZ and FJ have started their code-shares between AKL-NAN-LAX

On the topic of NAN-LAX the 772's have been removed from the schedules that were supposed to be on the route during July and August.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12339 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 10793 times:
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Any of the QF employees know anything more about QF removing the B763s on the Tasman and replacing them with A330s?

User currently offlineWLG787 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2006, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10753 times:

Olympic Airlines flt OAL4721 carrying the Greek PM will arrive in WLG at 2230 on Sunday and will depart again at about 1500 - 1530 on Monday

Will confirm but is expected to be an A300


User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10718 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 16):
Any of the QF employees know anything more about QF removing the B763s on the Tasman and replacing them with A330s?

I know all the 763s go domestic soon and i would say that QF may use a mix of A330's and 738's to fly across the ditch.



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User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1763 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10691 times:

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 18):
I know all the 763s go domestic soon and i would say that QF may use a mix of A330's and 738's to fly across the ditch.

I assume more 738 and less 330.


User currently offlineHA767 From Samoa, joined Mar 2007, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10680 times:

[quote=Aloha73G,reply=6]Sounds exciting.

I heard that Hawaiian would ferry the planes to/from PPG to AKL on our twice weekly (3x in the summer) flights to PPG. Any word yet on possible HA service between HNL And AKL....perhaps a partnership with ANZ (taking over the route for them??)

-Aloha!

The company and Hawaiian's pilot union are in negotiations how to ferry planes to AKL. One possibility was to Dry lease one ANZ flight w/revenue pax to AKL (2 weekly flights HNL-AKL). That would supposely eliminate the scope clause in HAL's pilot contract.

But there are some more issues that deal with the ability of ANZ crews to fly HAL's aircraft. One is a that ANZ crews are not in HAL's pilot training program to fly HAL's N registered US aircraft. Also there have been different interpretations of the pilots contract in negotiations with HAL's pilot union and the company exucutives.

That's why you are hearing the the possibilty of the PPG-AKL ferry or scheduled flight. I very much doubt that Hal mgmt would open a new route with only one plane coming in and out of Maint a month?? (maybe 2). The only thing I see happening is some sort of code share w/ANZ on the HNL-AKL route.

Hopefully they can work out all the wrinkles in negotiations soon, because they want to start using ANZ's overhaul facilities after HAL's Summer busy season.

Stay Tuned.

[Edited 2007-05-15 20:30:23]

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12339 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 10663 times:
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Quoting WLG787 (Reply 17):

Excellent, thanks. Will be wicked to see an A300 at WLG


User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10617 times:

I suspect that AKL-HNL will just become a codeshare, with Hawaiian operating one service per month.

A bit like the LAX-NAN FJ codeshare, with each partner operating certain flights.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12339 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10585 times:
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300 Air NZ engineers walk off job


More than 300 aircraft engineers in Auckland and Christchurch are leading off an international day of protest against an international trend of cutting pay and conditions for aviation workers.


More than 300 Engineering, Printing and Manufacturing Union (EPMU) and Aviation and Marine Engineers Association (AMEA) members at Air New Zealand were leaving their work stations in Auckland and Christchurch for two hours to rally outside the airports.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4061674a11.html


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12339 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10579 times:
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Its now confirmed.....

Nelson iwi to start regional freight airline

Nelson's Ngati Koata Trust has confirmed it will start a new airline using two aircraft previously flown by Origin Pacific.


Trust chief executive Caron Paul said yesterday the as-yet unnamed airline would lease the 18-seat Jetstream 31 aircraft from Origin's founder, Robert Inglis, to fly charter and freight services from Nelson.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4060800a13.html

The only ex QO J31s still in the country, are parked at WLG, and two of them are a mess. The third J31 is in better condition and won't need as much work as the other two. One of them will be broken up for spares shortly, if it hasn't already been broken up.


25 Aussie_ : The Olympic flight will be an A340-300
26 777ER : source for this please? Even better if it is an A343
27 6thfreedom : I would think the President or Prime Minister of Greece would justify an A343 rather than a crappy old A300. Is Wellington the first or last stop for
28 Post contains images Pilotdude09 : Cant see why not! GWB went into CBR with his 747 and cavalcade a couple of years ago! Now that is what you call an awesome sight Also CBR handles A34
29 Post contains links and images SpinalTap : Also, if its good enough for the Turkish PM, then I'm sure it good enough for the Greek PM View Large View MediumPhoto © Jeff Gilbert - JGPhotog
30 Cchan : Thanks for the info. Never too late Can an A340 land and take-off from WLG (safely)? Any idea which one will be broken up? ex ZK-JSA?
31 777ER : Well lets just put it this way, if it wasn't safe then it wouldn't be allowed into WLG, unless its an emergency Sorry I havn't a clue as to which J31
32 MotorHussy : Landing them in Wellington is one thing, but taking off with the awesome hair-dryer force of the craft may be a challenge. But then of course there's
33 Cchan : With a light load and maybe a full power take off, the hair-dryers can get the plane to shoot up the sky quite easily.
34 WLG787 : Sadly I have just found out that the Greek PM will no longer be arriving directly into WLG - rather will now be arriving into AKL on 29 May at 2130 ho
35 NZ107 : Do you know when it will leave NZ?
36 Cchan : I think the 733 and 320 take offs from WLG will be more spectacular!
37 777ER : Those are boring take offs. B767 and bigger provide better take offs, especially long and slow
38 ZKSUJ : Yes I agree. However I thing the climb and rocket like performance (it looks that way anyway) of the 733s is absolutely amazing
39 Wlg787 : Will depart mid afternoon on Wednesday 30th - approx 1400-1500 hours
40 Cchan : 767 take offs are great, but they aren't in WLG anymore. Watching from a distance, a 733 take off and climb is much more amazing than a 343 climb! Th
41 777ER : Thats what adds to the thrill of watching bigger aircraft
42 NZ1 : I thought it was a well known fact that the 343 only gets airborne due to the curvature of the earth!!! NZ1
43 ZKNBX : Yeah, we all know it is sluggish on takeoff (c/p T7) but it is a lovely aircraft to fly in as a passenger.
44 Cchan : Last October, I was on a NZ 772 from AKL to HKG. We took off about 10 min after the CX 343, but arrived at HKG 5 min before them. Was this just becaus
45 ZKSUJ : I don't know if it was the actual reason on the day, but the 772 has a generally slightly faster cruiseing speed than the 343
46 Post contains links and images Zkpilot : Yup 777 (905km/h (490kt)) are faster than A330 (860km/h (464kt)) http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=106 http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.
47 Boeing767-300 : Back in 1998 when 763 were still flying into WLG for Qantas the 763s leapt of the runway earlier and climbed steeper than the impressive 733. A light
48 ZKSUJ : Uhhh?? I was talking about a 737 from WLG and 737 performance in general (as in NZ only short sectors are done). I was just stating that the 737 clim
49 Cchan : I was on one of these flights in 1996. They have to brake very hard when landing at WLG. Can a fully loaded 763 (pax + cargo + fuel) take off from WL
50 SunriseValley : The 767-300ER is limited to a MTOW of about 320k lb. out of WLG on a standard day with zero wind. Now there is no such thing as zero wind at WLG ! On
51 ZK-NBT : NZ will operate NZ3/4 from December 16th to January 23rd on Wednesdays and Sundays with 772's. NZ4 AKL 2145 LAX 1255 NZ3 LAX 2030 AKL 0645 It looks li
52 Post contains links NZ107 : CX fly the A340 here.. But none the less the economical cruising speed for an A342/343 is 880km/h. "Max" cruising speed is 914km/h. http://www.airlin
53 Boeing767-300 : Maybe ZKSUJ the resonse was to the following....... And as stated I still maintain the lightly loaded 767 outperformed the 733 out of Wellington. Tha
54 Cchan : Haven't been on CX for some years. NZ flies over CNS, POM, and the Philippines AKL-HKG in the days when they operate daylight flights. HKG-AKL is sli
55 ZKSUJ : My apologies. I wasn't thinking when I wrote it. Sorry
56 777ER : I read in the Wellington paper, in saturdays I think it was, in the letters to the editor section, there was a letter from the Greek Embassy, saying
57 WLG787 : That was the original plan - this was changed at the last minute and therefore the Embassy and paper may not have had time to change it
58 WLG787 : My apologies, 777ER, it appears that you are correct - had it confirmed that the Greek PM did arrive in AKL last night and departs this afternoon - m
59 Post contains links 777ER : Auckland airport to have one duty free operator Auckland International Airport Ltd (AIAL) said it plans to have one duty free operator in the future.
60 WLG787 : I agree competely with you - the more competition, the better both in terms of prices and range of goods available WLG is also likely to go to only 1
61 777ER : Oh well, I suppose we can shortly enjoy new higher prices
62 Koruman : I'm a bit bored of discussing Wellington Airport and Duty Free. Any chance that people could speculate on matters like: 1) Will NZ 7/8 AKL-SFO be exte
63 WLG787 : Sorry Koruman, didn't realise it bored you that much! Perhaps you shguldn't read it then if you don't like it Good to see that you can discuss topics
64 WLG787 : PS Koruman if you are bored of discussing Wellington Airport (which I would thought was relevant to a New Zealand Aviation thread) why you have raised
65 Post contains images 777ER : Since when were you talking about duty free? Sorry were not discussing your usual moaning sessons more often . Usually there are better things to tal
66 WLG787 : Haven't really heard anymore than what has been discussed on here - WIAL is looking at a 2008-2009 start and is eyeing up Emirates, Singapore Airline
67 Airbear : RE NZ's existing but unused traffic rights ex SYD or BNE ... does anybody have any info as to whether NZ ever intend starting up service again direct
68 6thfreedom : Unused traffic rights? I don't think this exists with NZ. Under the single aviation market (SAM), NZ carriers can operate to, from and within Austral
69 NZ1 : And an even better rumour, is that NZ are now leaning toward an A319 domestic fleet and keeping the A320's for the use that they current serve. Also,
70 Cchan : This comprises passengers going to Japan, Korea, China, Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, India, Sri Lanka... Is this e
71 777ER : Well I think its safe to say, that what ever replaces the B733 fleet will fly the current B733 routes.
72 Post contains images ZKSUJ : By 'partially replace' I would speculate that the 77Ws MAY be working along side some 748is in future should this deal go through... We can all guess
73 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Wow, You really think so...
74 777ER : All those pax going to Asia can and easily will transfer onto other services thou at the Asian airport, just like what cureently happens in AKL and S
75 ZKSUJ : I'm not saying that anything will happen out of WIAL. But in this sense it would be better as people who want to travel to other parts of Asia from W
76 Boeing767-300 : Yet another RR 777 Customer goes 77W. I always expected NZ to get 77W and for that reason I don't know why they got Trents. Maybe it was to tender (A
77 ZKNBX : [quote=Koruman,reply=62]Any chance that people could speculate on matters like: 1) Will NZ 7/8 AKL-SFO be extended onto Europe? If so, where? 2) Will
78 ZKNBX : Could work? To one destination? Yeah right! A lot of diversity in service from AKL and passengers also have the advantage of connections to other des
79 777ER : NZ had a sub-standard product (B763) on the route for way to long compared to SQs B772s and B744s with IFE, but when NZ put their B772s on the route,
80 MotorHussy : Well have you been to Canberra? Come on man, there's a reason no-one in their right mind... Wellington on the other hand? People choose to live here
81 Aerojoe : If the report to the stock exchange is any indication then perhaps NZ1/2 may go the way of 77W for a large junk of year while 744 (fingers crossed 74
82 SunriseValley : I am inclined to think they need the 747 on the LAX-LHR sector more than on HKG -LHR. But this is not to stop them from rotating at LHR. Both are on
83 SunriseValley : NZ1, in all respect, it is not like you to talk about such specifics. What has changed ? I believe it will be MAN but from where I don't know. Presen
84 Post contains links MotorHussy : Figures for April show that loads between HKG-LHR (return) have been higher than LAX-LHR (return) as people prefer transiting through a less onerous
85 Aerokiwi : Well it is daily and the timings do allow you to do a full-day's work in AKL before heading off to SYD/BNE/MEL. Combined with the online checkin serv
86 Koruman : Well, for my part I would love to see 777-300ERs replace the 747-400, with increased UK frequency to mitigate the lower capacity, e.g. in a pre-787 wo
87 Planetime : Yield on the NZ 1/2 must be much higher than that on the HKG-LHR route. Hence this is probably one of the reason why this flight is switching to a 74
88 ZKSUJ : I think 6 frames. I still think (and hope) that some 748 will be used in future to work along side 787s and 777s. I think that the 77Ws will be sent
89 777ER : Especially on a day like it is today (well where I live atleast) with not a breath of wind, clear blue skys, nice warm temp especially considering it
90 ZKSUJ : Extended Range Operations. EROPS
91 MotorHussy : Don't know how you arrived at this conclusion, but possibly yes. Anyway, the AKL-HKG-LHR route is currently operated with a 744 and is into the fores
92 SunriseValley : I think you are confusing yield and load factor. To look at all this intelligently we need to know the load factors for each sector. NZ-Asia-Europe m
93 Post contains links Zkpilot : "More 'premium economy' seating on Air NZ flights Email this storyPrint this story New 1:10PM Tuesday May 22, 2007 Air New Zealand is increasing the n
94 Alangirvan : Glasgow is a very difficult market for long haul service. Manchester might be easier as a codeshare with BMI. People in UK tend to go to DisneyWorld i
95 Aerojoe : I agree it is not possible to make any assessment of respective yield on the data available. One thing, however, that is clear from the actual Air NZ
96 Planetime : Good Point. But from what we hear definitely more AKL-LHR pax are going thru HKG as compared to LAX. But at the same time there is good demand for th
97 TG992 : Ever wondered what the streets at AKL airport are named after? Below is some historical background on why some of the airport streets are named as the
98 NZ107 : And I'm surprised that there is no Jean Batten anything.. Maybe the terminal is enough but not that many people know it as "Jean Batten International
99 Aerohottie : Having just done both AKL-LAX-LHR and LHR-HKG-AKL on NZ in Y+ can I put forward a suggestion..... Y+ in the 772 is actually quite uncomfortable... alt
100 Post contains images Zkpilot : The UD also seems bigger because of the room besides the seats that the UD on a 744 is famous for. I just had another thought regarding the 744 repla
101 ZKNBX : EXACTLY. It's not rocket science - and from the travellers point of view I agree with you totally. Y+ on the 777 sucks and they'd be better off canni
102 Aerohottie : I don't completely agree with you... there is certainly a premium to be had for the extra legroom, but the premium being charged doesn't equate to th
103 Cchan : These mean I will be flying more often with NZ in the future. Personally, I like the flying experience on their 320 and 772 more than the 733 and 744
104 Post contains images NZ1 : Its not really a specific, just a VERY GOOD rumour. NZ1
105 SunriseValley : O.K. I get the drift. Is it reasonable to assume that NZ has slots for some 77W's that they need to either firm up or pass on. Thanks for this one Ae
106 Aerohottie : I personally think it is the quietest place on the aircraft. Make sure you book a window and aisle seat on the side that has only two seats, that way
107 SunriseValley : Yep, did that by phone immediately after getting the reservation confirmed by email. Row 23 J-K always assuming that it is not changed !!
108 Koruman : WHY LONDON via HKG LOADS ARE BETTER THAN via LAX I wouldn't underestimate the effect of having not just different aircraft, but also different product
109 Alangirvan : CX have 77Ws on order, and I guess those aircraft are intended for UK/Europe. SQ which also flies over the Himalayas is phasing in 77Ws on Europe ser
110 ZKSUJ : I've heard from a few people that they prefer the crews on 744s as opposed to the 772s when travelling. This is because aparantly the 744 cabin crews
111 TG992 : Longhaul crew are used to crew both 747 and 777 aircraft - I can be on a 747 one trip and 2 days later on a 777. That being said, the 747 is an old w
112 777ER : I've just flowen NZ6 in Y+, and I'm currently waiting for my next flight shortly. I strongly agree with Aerohottie, the top deck is the best for a fl
113 NZ1 : That would be a good assumption. Other news, ZK-SJE will be the 1st 733 to roll out with the 142Y config on Sunday/Monday. The entire fleet will be f
114 Darenw : How many would ANZ look at seating if they go ahead with the A319?
115 Aerokiwi : Quite. Are they reintroducing the coat hanger nobs or are they gone for good too? It's nice NOT to get your suit crumpled before an important meeting
116 NZ107 : The first route is planned for USA, and most likely replace the 343s. I wonder if A319s will suit. IMO a mixture of 73G/NG and some RJs would do the
117 NZ1 : No idea at this stage. It's not confirmed yet Coat knobs are gone for good I think. 3 more will have theirs done during C checks, being SJB,C and NGM
118 Planetime : Well said Koruman! Exactly my point and these 2 sectors are PROBABLY (correct if I am wrong) more of a premium market than AKL-HKG and HKG-LHR. agree
119 TBCITDG : Any one else heard about the agreement that NZ have signed with AR? They will both be able to sell tickets on each others network. ie: NZ to EZE, GRU,
120 6thfreedom : Smart move IMO, as the Australia - South America market is booming. LAN is going daily to SYD, and QF does quite well out of that codeshare. It would
121 Rongotai : Well, for me that two hours is the basic determinant of the experience. Not only will I never again go via LAX unless there is no alternative (and I
122 Cchan : When you fly through HKG next time, please pay a bit of attention to how many people get on and off at HKG, that will explain why the loads via HKG a
123 Post contains images Zkpilot : Even if air traffic in New Zealand were to magically double between now and the World Cup, the system in New Zealand could cope with that perfectly f
124 777ER : NZ6 on tuesday 22nd was fairly full. Y+ and business were full.
125 Flyjetstar : Air New Zealand is to double services to Adelaide and start a new Queenstown flight to encourage Australian travellers to make long-haul trips with th
126 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Agree. Unless you are in AKL, WLG or CHC. There is no such word as congestion. Even in the 'bigger airports' like PMR, HLZ, NPL, NPE etc etc... There
127 777ER : Its been knowen for ages that NZ does well on the route. They even replace the A320 with long haul jets at times
128 NZ107 : How are the loads at the moment? Will they look to replace the A342 by a bigger plane? Ok, I get your point. I didn't really mean congestion.. I've b
129 Rongotai : In terms of availability of such services NZ is remarkably better than most places in the world - I can even get a rental car coming off the Soundsai
130 VHVXB : They don't have anything bigger than A342 apart from the B744 which are used on dedicated European routes
131 NZ107 : Well the one in Aussie in 2003 was held in Oct/Nov.. I would think that a similar time would be good - not too cold, not too hot. In that case, it's
132 Post contains images Flyjetstar : Umm...gee...great thanks for that. I guess I was wondering why NZ are able to do well on the route and QF were not. Is it the international connectio
133 6thfreedom : A couple of things. 1. NZ has better USA services that QF over AKL. multiple LAX, SFO and soon to come YVR. 2. AKL is indeed a better transit option
134 ZKNBX : Yes me thinks better schedules AND connections (SFO, LAX, + Islands and trans-tasman O&D traffic). Service on both is sadly lacking. ZEAL is a joke,
135 Cchan : Haven't been on ZEAL for international routes, but when operating domestic, they are better than the usual 737s. I would pay more to go on a 767 or 7
136 Koruman : Has it been posted that A320 services to and from Brisbane to AKL/WLG/CHC are now going to have rows 1 and 2 sold as Business Class instead of Premium
137 Post contains links OceansWorld : Emissions not just hot air for Air NZ boss AT a time when many airline executives are looking at ways to hose down the hot topic of aviation carbon em
138 Post contains links and images Pilotdude09 : Heres a good link about NZ reducing their seat pitch its a video link with pictures and inflight stuff http://tvnz.co.nz/view/video_popup_windows_skin
139 ZKSUJ : Your link just seems to go back to the Airliners.Net Homepage on my comp
140 Post contains links and images OceansWorld : The only time I don't check if every thing is working and... So, here we go with the good link. Thanks for pointing it out. Cheers. http://www.theaus
141 ZKNBX : Hardly surprising. NZ have done this many times before... and soon it will be reversed when they realise they didn't do a robust enough analysis on i
142 Cchan : A large majority of passengers won't bother with the aircraft type when they book, especially when a secretary or the company's travel agent books th
143 ZKNBX : Yeah well she/he won't be bookin my flights for long if she makes that mistake, believe me.
144 Cchan : How does the A320 business class seats compare to the B767 business class seats?
145 ZK-NBT : It looks like the Thursday service to NLK changes to an A320 in October, while the 733 currently looks to remain a 733 as far ahead as I can see.
146 Planemanofnz : What? I thought that NLK can't handle 320 sized aircrafts? I remember a while back when Norfolk Jet Express were opearting, they said that if NZ deci
147 Cchan : Any chance IUE gets the 320?
148 ZK-NBT : They can now, I think it was the fact that the runway was to short obviously the problem has been fixed. 1 or 2 A320's have been to NLK before. They
149 ZK-NBT : Good Point. I'm thinking maybe EZE 1000 AKL 1440 AKL 1730 EZE 1430 That would ensure connections to/from SYD/MEL/BNE. And hopefully would offer a few
150 MotorHussy : Or hopefully, increase frequency with the backing of NZ!
151 ZK-NBT : Yes, in the winter AR have 2-3 flights weekly compared to LA's 6 daily from Decmber 07, AR operate 4 weekly in Southern summer. Interesting though th
152 NZ107 : Yeah, that would be good. Do you think any of the Australasian airlines are looking at South America? Wow.. In that case bring on the 747! Unless tho
153 VHVXB : I thought it was a daily service from December 07
154 Post contains images NZA320 : I have been told that an NZ A320 is in the hanger at Christchurch being fitted with PTV's right now. No I don't have source for this information and
155 ZKSUJ : Don't know how true the statement is, but if it is the case, then I hope the 763s recieve the same fate
156 ZK-NBT : Just because its the most profitable it doesn't mean it warrents the largest aircraft, more high yeild pax probably. It looks like 12 weekly EZE-MAD
157 Post contains images NZ1 : I won't flame you, except to say that that is utter bollocks. The only aircraft in CHC being fitted with PTV's are Virgin Blues fleet of 73G and 73H.
158 Koruman : And that, NZ1, summarises why I am so frustrated with my favourite airline. Emirates offers proper international service and frequent flyer points on
159 Xiaotung : I agree with you Koruman. No FFP accural with lowest fares makes it less competitive to attract frequent travelers who evidently should be the most im
160 ZKSUJ : Koruman has a very good case.
161 Cchan : Many airlines offer 50% mileage for their cheapest fares rather than no points at all. A quick search on amadeus for AKL-RAR flights in August showed
162 MotorHussy : And QF have recently intimated their intention to re-start South American flights with their own metal! Their 744's are the only craft in the fleet w
163 Leamside : Philippine Airlines plane to land in New Zealand? fyi- for those interested in spotting or taking plane photos, Philippine President Arroyo is to arri
164 ZKSUJ : I'm suprised no one has mentioned the Air Nelson Strike
165 Darenw : Yes ANZ need to look after their loyal and business customes. Lets hope things change if and when they introduce their budget airline
166 WLG787 : She will be arriving in WLG at 0645 hours tomorrow morning (Mon 28th) - she will be flying in an A333
167 SpinalTap : Yes frankly Air Points Dollars are a joke, I'm only going to say this once, look at the other Star Alliance FF memberships and you will find one that
168 Flyjetstar : I think thats a wee bit of an exaggeration. I don't see how or why NZ need to be compared with EK on trans-Tasman. It's not a fair comparison. EK bri
169 NZ107 : On the flights operated by the 772 or 744, it has a bigger case. It can't be compared with any budget airline properly either. But it's really stupid
170 Xiaotung : I think from a customer point of view this comparison is somewhat valid. I asked my boss why he didn't fly his national airline. He said why would he
171 Airnewzealand : The reason behind this was three things actually... *Lack of Aircraft *Passengers were transferring in MEL. *Lack of Cabin Crew (Yes thats right) All
172 Rongotai : Any business traveller that chooses EK for Trans Tasman is probably sciving. I can't afford to lose the day's work that I give away by flying Trans Ta
173 NZ107 : Which also means you or your company has the money/flexibility to pay more for your tickets hence get points for them. Unfortunately those who are ti
174 MotorHussy : Well, they already did, SJ, and they use the same cabin crew, ground crew and aircraft for both which is probably where a lot of the problems lie. Pe
175 ZKNBX : Wish they would give Freedom its freedom. Great brand. Shame they've somewhat cheapened the NZ brand with ZEAL when they could have used Freedom. Anyb
176 Post contains links Darenw : I was thinking more of what was said here http://www.stuff.co.nz/4047261a13.html But it looks like this maybe only domestic initially, if it actually
177 Post contains images Cchan : Leave the 763 alone! They are much better in NZ colours!
178 NZ1 : Contrary to what others might think, the reason for creating ZEAL was all tied up with having the correct structure in place, with regards to mainten
179 WLG787 : Philippines Airlines A333 is on the deck at WLG (parked at the hard stand for Gates 24-25) having arrived at 0645 after operating flt PR001 from Manil
180 MotorHussy : Yes, but why not have Freedom domestically (as well as internationally) rather than investing in yet another new entity when there is already brand e
181 Pilotdude09 : Freedom air used to operate domestically but im prety sure it ate into NZs profits and attracted some of their business flyers away due to the cheape
182 Cchan : Yes I remember they did the trunk routes with 733s, but that only lasted a short time.
183 Post contains links NZ107 : Looks like NZ might try for a bilateral with The Philippines: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...1&sid=aGwiIwVr7sZ4&refer=australia
184 MotorHussy : They should start a domestic Whenuapai hub with SJ, beat all the others to it and start a different market than fleecing that of their parent's. Int'
185 NZ107 : IMO as long as it stays as part as NZ, they won't. It'd be very interesting if something like this happened however. Or at least one airline going to
186 MotorHussy : Agreed! Think Qantas (QF) vs. JetStar (JQ) and Melbourne (MEL) vs. Avalon (AVV). I think too, it would be very interesting. SJ domestic trunk routes
187 Post contains links and images Flyjetstar : Just a little bate! Qantas has been voted the worst international airline in an Australian consumer survey. Singapore Airlines was voted top internati
188 DJ738 : ...are you holding your breath? Cause I ain't holding mine!
189 ZKNBX : Indeed. This would be wonderful use of SJ. And already overdue. Fancy all those people from Waitaks, to Hibiscus Coast to North Shore and North Harbo
190 NZ107 : Hmm.. What's the fog like out there? Diversions when AKL is fogged in would have to remain Ohakea and south. I'm sure that if they can land at Ohakea
191 Post contains links Kiwiandrew : does anyone have anything concrete on this ? or is it just one of those rumours which has been repeated so often that it is now regarded as 'fact' re
192 MotorHussy : My whole point at the start of the idea, was that NZ shouldn't fly there, SJ should however and not to AKL. They (NZ) need sever the umbilical to SJ,
193 MotorHussy : I suspect you may be right here as I can find any substance to this rumour. I had used reference to this in posts because of others' use of it as fac
194 Alangirvan : Another point - last year when NZ and QF were trying to get the Joint Service Agreement approved they included the draft Summer Season timetable, if
195 ZKNBX : Hm but you could extend the line all the way to Albany, and you have a wonderful opportunity to service all those North Harbour and Te Atatu and Linc
196 NZAA : There is so much traffic at the moment specially within the transit lane off to the east of WP. Most of Auckland is covered it CTR, the two transit la
197 Axio : E195s and E170s would also suit direct routes to major Australian cities from the secondary ports mentioned. Certinaly be a damn sight better fit for
198 Cchan : A318 and A319 for SJ is even better IMHO.
199 777ER : WLG seems to get more and more diversions from AKL then Ohakea But nothing is really stopping QF and NZ signing a code-share agreement for AKL-ADL
200 NZAA : Because they only use OH for heavies, whereas they can slap any old 737 into WN
201 Koruman : I think that E jets are a very poor idea: even DJ accept the poor economics of the type. DJ will use it on monopoly routes where they can charge relat
202 777ER : Nope, WLG is getting more and more wide bodys. Last year WLG ended up with 6x widebodys (5x B763 and 1x B772) at once which was an interesting sight.
203 Post contains links 777ER : Thread 6 New Zealand Aviation Thread #6 (by 777ER May 31 2007 in Civil Aviation)
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