Dsa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3182 times:
At a time when the green groups are constantly pressuring our governments to put pressure and legislation into place to restrict and scrutinise aviation it is time that the aviation community showed a united front. It is clear that the environmental groups are simply exagerrating the negative effects on aviation, while in fact aviation contributes a significant proportion of the World's GDP, is a major employer and even by the year 2030 will still only contribute 5% of global CO2 emissions.
The message is simple guys, if you want to carry on flying for holidays and business, if you want to support thousands of jobs worldwide and if you want to fly unrestricted, sign this petition!
ATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1029 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3076 times:
Quoting Dsa (Thread starter): The message is simple guys, if you want to carry on flying for holidays and business, if you want to support thousands of jobs worldwide and if you want to fly unrestricted, sign this petition!
Come on . . . nothing is going to happen. Only thing that might change is people like GE will be pushed to continue making cleaner engines, which is good for everyone. Travel for business and holidays is not going to be stopped . . . you have got to be kidding.
Regardless, I am very concerned about the environment but these people complaining about aviation are ridiculous. Face it the problem is cars . . . the problem is Americans.
SeansasLCY From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 986 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2900 times:
I hate the way the UK press continuously goes on about how bad aviation is, then has special offers on cheap flights if you collect the tokens or all the revenue they get from airline advertising. Aviation is a vital aspect to society in many ways and nobody complains about all the cruises which create as much pollution.
RobTrent From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2876 times:
I think that Aviation is an easy target. Let's face it you work your b***s off to make a living - You take the family on holiday to somewhere relaxing to get away from the daily grind.
Politicians are generally full of bullshit and motives of self preservation in my experience. Given the minimal affect of air traffic ppllution in the grand scheme of things perhaps attention to population awareness and Industrial development should be given priority
Boeing77W From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2834 times:
Quoting SeansasLCY (Reply 7): nobody complains about all the cruises which create as much pollution
Dam right, shipping accounts for around 5% of global CO2 emissions which is more than all of the African countries combined and yet aviation only accounts for around 2%. The shipping industry is also growing at the same rate, if not faster than aviation...don't hear any body complaining about that now do we!
Khobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2767 times:
Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 5): Come on . . . nothing is going to happen. Only thing that might change is people like GE will be pushed to continue making cleaner engines, which is good for everyone. Travel for business and holidays is not going to be stopped . . . you have got to be kidding.
Hitler won't invade Poland, and all anyone will ever need is 640K!
Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 5): I agree with the cause, but until the aviation industry stops crapping on us here in the US then they will have to suffer, just as we have.
LOL. No smilie, but surely you are joking, yes?
Quoting SeansasLCY (Reply 7): I hate the way the UK press continuously goes on about how bad aviation is, then has special offers on cheap flights if you collect the tokens or all the revenue they get from airline advertising.
HA ha ha ha ha, that is funny, and very much to the point.
Charlienorth From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1169 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2649 times:
Done--and if I disappear you know why ..Andre...oops ...anyhow it is a good thing to be aware of,it is easy for some people to jump on the global warming hoax,but they don't seem to understand the economic effects.
Rivet42 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2589 times:
Well, I'm afraid I don't see any point in such a petition, the aviation industry certainly doesn't need any protecting, its economic power and the political connections of those that matter will make sure of that.
On the other hand, a petition calling upon the airline CEO's to put more effort into using their corporate muscle to support good causes (is easyJet the only airline that offers a sustainably farmed coffee brand...?) would be nice...
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 12095 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2506 times:
It would have a far greater impact if you managed to create your petition through the 10 Downing Street site. There is already one on there which is vaguely similar, but word yours to highlight the issue at hand and it may well be accepted. They have one there demanding the closure of LHR even...
Alangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2479 times:
In NZ we have a national magazine, the Listener, where they have just appointed an Environment writer. Even she has said that ALL transport industries create 19% of green house gas pollution compared with agriculture which generates 49% of all methane. She wants us all to have days when we give up eating meat. So, those of you who want to go for a bike ride to the nearest Tofu burger shop, send us your trip report.
ANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2449 times:
Quoting Khobar (Reply 13):
Indeed. Sorry about that. Not sure what happened.
You likely highlighted the text in one post and clicked on the 'quote selected text' button in another. As an example I highlighted your text and first clicked on the button in your post (and got the above). I left your text selected and clicked on the button in the following post (#14) and got the following (with apologies to Charlienorth).
XJET From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 496 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2267 times:
Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 5): Face it the problem is cars . . . the problem is Americans.
HA! You are amazing. Why do most prople think countries like China and India that are industrializing faster than weeds grow aren't a problem. How the hell do you make the case that Americans are the biggest problem? Oh, let me guess....because we didn't sign Kyoto?
Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 23): So you don't think the majority of carbon dioxide emissions come from Americans? I think the facts show otherwise.
What facts do you even have that Co2 causes temperature increases? There are many many scientists that have proven it is the other way around.
: However the need for flying out of the UK should be reduced now with the Channel Tunnel, and yet more people than ever are flying. The UK government
: XJet, you are getting way too passionate about this. I am an American living in Ohio so I am not throwing people under the bus without throwing myself
: Maybe his issue is due to the fact that you said "the problem is Americans."
: Well that is my opinion and I am an American. I feel I am allowed to say that since I am including myself in that equation.
: Okay, who the hell knows about majorities and minorities of scientists? Global Warming has become such a standard in the media and politics lately th
: 121 Signatures so far, thanks for signing guys! It only takes 15 seconds to fill out and can make a difference and help to secure aviations future. SI
: ATAG has just launched a new website to set the story straight. See www.enviro.aero
: It is my view that this is the problem with petitions. It takes two seconds and requires no effort on behalf of individsuals. My own experience is th