Bruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5068 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 905 times:
Then what happens when a flight is delayed, or some other reason, and it causes a pilot to go over the max?
Like if they have a 3 hour weather delay, and there's no other "free" pilots, and they'd end up an hour or two over the max? do they get exemptions? or would they just cancel the flight even if its full with 200+ travellers?
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Purdue Arrow From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1574 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 901 times:
As far as in-flight delays go, it has always been accepted that if a pilot is legal to begin a flight (considering estimated time enroute), then he is legal to complete it, even if this results in going past his maximum flight hors or duty day limitations. However, they have recently said that this does not apply for ground delays. If a flight is delayed suffiently on the ground to make a pilot exceed time limits, then the pilot is not legal to make the flight. This interpretation is that the pilot/company must have a good faith belief, at the time of takeoff, that the pilot will be within his flight time and duty time limits when he lands.
AAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3518 posts, RR: 45
Reply 4, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 896 times:
>So if that's the case then how is it possible to fly overtime,
>like the delta pilots are complaining about? They'd be illegal!
FAR limits 8 hrs/day; 30 hrs/week; 100 hrs/month; and 1000 hrs/year. 1000 hrs divided by 12 months = 75 hrs/month average. Most contracts are constructed to average close to that 75 hrs/month so the company doesn't run out of pilots who hit the 1000 hrs/year limit.
For example: AA's contract monthly max is 75 hrs. There is provision for company to "flex" to 78 hrs/month. There is provision for company to "reassign" pilots up to 5 hours over monthly maximum without pilot approval [happened to all MD90 pilots a bunch in the past 2 months]. There is provision for company to "offer" pilots overtime which requires prior approval from the pilot. It is this last provision (or something similar) that UA pilots were refusing during the summer and DL pilots are refusing now.
If an airline continues to reassign pilots beyond an average 75 hrs/month, it runs the risk of too many pilots reaching 1000 hrs/year limit prior to the end of the year. Hence the decision(s) to cancel some flights. Usually means the airline was undermanned for the basic contract terms (no pilots flying overtime).
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