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AeroMexico Applies For Ten New Routes To The US  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10112 times:

AeroMexico has filed with US DOT for ten new routes to the United States. They are:


  • Chicago-Ixtapa
  • Culiacan-Phoenix
  • Guadalajara-Houston
  • Guadalajara-Oakland
  • Guadalajara-San Jose (CA)
  • Houston-Ixtapa
  • Mexico City-Sacramento
  • Mexico City-San Jose (CA)
  • Miami-Puerto Vallarta
  • New York City-San Jose del Cabo


http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf101/469199_web.pdf

Looks like somebody at AeroMexico was bored this week, and started drawing city pairs out of a hat. Daily, non-stop MIA-PVR service? Haha.

For those who don't know, AeroMexico has a history of applying for new routes, and never starting service on this route. It happens very often. I wouldn't be surprised if they never fly any of the ten.

[Edited 2007-05-14 23:51:08]


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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4764 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10092 times:

Chicago Ixtapa?

Seriously now...this one's outta left field.

[Edited 2007-05-15 00:07:42]


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26175 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10076 times:

I've got to say, both Mexican and Aeromexico recently have gone crazy applying for routes, many of which dont even start up. Sure they can sit on the designation, however if some one comes along and challenges them the DOT will pull the award.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10007 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 2):
Sure they can sit on the designation, however if some one comes along and challenges them the DOT will pull the award.

No one will challenge. For these pairs, there are two or three designations available for Mexican airlines. So if another airline comes along, they would get the second desgination. If a third airline wants it, they would get the third designation (which is available for resort destinations only).



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User currently offlineLt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9975 times:

I could see *maybe* the Guadalajara routes working, that is about it.

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User currently offlineKLAM From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9941 times:
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Most city may have a big demand of ethnic passengers, it is not as if a business man from Oakland would like to go to Guadalajara, the Chicago Ixtapa route might make sense since most of the Mexican inmigrants live in either any city of California or Chicago, and most of them come from southern Mexico, this includes Michoacan and Guerrero, the former being the state where Ixtapa is located.

I have to admit that AM has applied to some irrational city pairs, but we will have to wait and see in order to judge... Hope they are not a white elephant to AM

Regards

KL-AM



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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4026 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9918 times:

I seem to recall a ex-PA employee saying that AM had a number of non-stops from IAH to places like Ixtapa, Merida, and Guadalajara, and that AM had up to 11 flights a day at one point during the mid-80s. I'd be curious if some old time IAHers could verify that.

Thomas



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4764 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9865 times:

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 6):
I seem to recall a ex-PA employee saying that AM had a number of non-stops from IAH to places like Ixtapa, Merida, and Guadalajara, and that AM had up to 11 flights a day at one point during the mid-80s. I'd be curious if some old time IAHers could verify that.

From the 1983 OAG:

IAH-CUN AM474 Daily (D9S)
IAH-CUN AM444 Daily (D9S)
IAH-Cozumel AM472 Daily (D98)
IAH-Guadalajara AM442 Daily (D9S)
IAH-Monterrey AM446 xMWSs (D9S)
IAH-Monterrey AM448 MWSa (D9S)
IAH-Monterrey AM440 Daily (D9S)



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9809 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
AeroMexico has filed with US DOT for ten new routes to the United States. They are:




Chicago-Ixtapa

Culiacan-Phoenix

Guadalajara-Houston

Guadalajara-Oakland

Guadalajara-San Jose (CA)

Houston-Ixtapa

Mexico City-Sacramento

Mexico City-San Jose (CA)

Miami-Puerto Vallarta

New York City-San Jose del Cabo

There is a thread going on. Aeromexico is loosing domestic market share to the Mexican start-ups, Volaris and Interjet are doing very well, and growing. So this is something AM has to do. When Gordon Bethune was at Continental, he said one day Continental would fly more passengers internationally than within the US. Aeromexico is headed in the same direction.

Some of these routes AM is applying for have some potential for success, but there's a couple I just don't like.


User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4026 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9803 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 7):
From the 1983 OAG:

IAH-CUN AM474 Daily (D9S)
IAH-CUN AM444 Daily (D9S)
IAH-Cozumel AM472 Daily (D98)
IAH-Guadalajara AM442 Daily (D9S)
IAH-Monterrey AM446 xMWSs (D9S)
IAH-Monterrey AM448 MWSa (D9S)
IAH-Monterrey AM440 Daily (D9S)

Thanks Alitalia, yeah he said that at times almost every gate at B was occupied by an AM '9' or a Maddog80. He also stated that other AM flights would have to use the plane's airstairs to off load passengers as every gate was occupied other AM flights, and up to 3 AM 9's would RON. Now I would love to see AM repeat history here, though it's not very likely.

Thomas



"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1481 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9576 times:

I would love to see a bit more AeroMexico service into Tucson. There is one RJ flight on Aero Litoral to Hermosillo. A daily flight to Mexico City or Guadalajara would be a welcome addition. I do think Mexicana beat them in the USA-Mexico Market. They have made a name for themselves serving smaller airports like SMF.

User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9458 times:

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 10):
I do think Mexicana beat them in the USA-Mexico Market.

Mexicana seems to be beating Aeromexico in the USA-Mexico market, and within Mexico.

Quoting AM" class=quote target=_blank>KLAM (Reply 5):
I have to admit that AM has applied to some irrational city pairs, but we will have to wait and see in order to judge... Hope they are not a white elephant to AM


Some city pairs probably do look irrational for AM's 737s and/or MD 80s, but let's not forget that they also have RJs, if they put RJs on some of those routes, then there are possibilities. Obviously all the MEX routes and most out GDL could support 737s. But when we talk about Puerto Vallarta, Monterrey, Ixtapa, Hermosillo, Culiacan and some other places, then RJs should be considered. The RJ flying between the US and Mexico seems to be working fine for AA and CO.


Saludos


User currently offlineRedTailDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 757 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9446 times:

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 10):
I would love to see a bit more AeroMexico service into Tucson. There is one RJ flight on Aero Litoral to Hermosillo. A daily flight to Mexico City or Guadalajara would be a welcome addition.

I totally agree. I would love to see some new service into TUS.



Mason (RedTailDTW)



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9435 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Culiacan-Phoenix

I could see this one working. Lots of kids from Sonora and Sinaloa go to school in ASU. HMO-PHX is always full of students.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26175 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9411 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 11):
but let's not forget that they also have RJs, if they put RJs on some of those routes, then there are possibilities.

If that was the case, AeroLitoral would have to apply for the routes. AeroMexico's authorities cannot be used by another airline, partner or not.



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User currently offlineCessnalady From Mexico, joined May 2004, 310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9370 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Chicago-Ixtapa
Culiacan-Phoenix
Guadalajara-Houston
Guadalajara-Oakland
Guadalajara-San Jose (CA)
Houston-Ixtapa
Mexico City-Sacramento
Mexico City-San Jose (CA)
Miami-Puerto Vallarta
New York City-San Jose del Cabo

Not that irrational... the three out of GDL into IAH, OAK and SJC, as well as MEX-SJC, CUL-PHX and SJD-JFK (I would assume) sound very, very reasonable.

In fact, I would think any of these sound more reasonable than MEX-SAP or MEX-MGA, and these two routes are becoming a reality with AM metal in three more weeks' time...

Marie


User currently offlineKLM685 From Mexico, joined May 2005, 1577 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9313 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 2):
both Mexican and Aeromexico recently have gone crazy applying for routes

Yeah, maybe the guy at Mexicana challenged another guy at Aeromexico and both decided to make a bet about which of the two would get a route that one of the two airlines would actually fly! lol

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
I wouldn't be surprised if they never fly any of the ten.

I agree, Thought I would be worried if they actually start some of this routes as we all know what will happen...

Quoting Juventus (Reply 8):
Aeromexico is headed in the same direction.

Hopefully in the right way and not in the improvised way they seem to be doing.

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Chicago-Ixtapa

Culiacan-Phoenix

Guadalajara-Houston

Guadalajara-Oakland

Guadalajara-San Jose (CA)

Houston-Ixtapa

Mexico City-Sacramento

Mexico City-San Jose (CA)

Miami-Puerto Vallarta

New York City-San Jose del Cabo

wow... How about Michoacan to Columbus, or Puerto Escondido - Seattle or Acapulco - La Paz, Bolivia, etc...


I hope AM had a much better plan for the future rather than just imagining routes!



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User currently offlinePlaneGuy27 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9190 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
which is available for resort destinations only

and Guadalajara and Monterrey as well effective October 27th.


User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9013 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Looks like somebody at AeroMexico was bored this week, and started drawing city pairs out of a hat. Daily, non-stop MIA-PVR service? Haha.

Oh brother, and we can't even get MIA-MTY back on track properly. I know they are going crazy applying for authorites, so I guess let them do it. About 0 will come to fruition. There's another thread floating around that AM is to get rid of 10 frames. How are they going to do that!

PS I saw AM land at FLL today over i95 on my way to work and wondered how many people were even on that flight. Has it been successful? When I flew to MEX last month, FLL was about 150$ cheaper than MIA, but with only 1 daily, it certainly doesn't attract business floks. I would have loved to have taken it, but the departure out of MEX is in the AM, I was still in my meeting. My MIA-MEX flight was almost 80% corporate. Hope FLL is making it.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8980 times:

Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 18):
PS I saw AM land at FLL today over i95 on my way to work and wondered how many people were even on that flight. Has it been successful? When I flew to MEX last month, FLL was about 150$ cheaper than MIA, but with only 1 daily, it certainly doesn't attract business floks. I would have loved to have taken it, but the departure out of MEX is in the AM, I was still in my meeting. My MIA-MEX flight was almost 80% corporate. Hope FLL is making it.

It is probably an effective way of moving tourist traffic off the Miami flights and onto the Ft. Lauderdale flights. Miami-Mexico City is the most traveled city pair between the United States and Mexico and full of business traffic. Lot's of leisure traffic, and AM can easily take it through FLL.



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User currently offlineAmbassador From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8548 times:

This makes me wonder why WN is not jumping on Mexico. WN shareholders should be very upset that they are not moving into this market.

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8517 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7147 times:
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How is the Mexico-Tijuana-Tokyo route working fro AeroMexico ? With the extra 777 coming what routes are they going to fly?

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6827 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 21):
With the extra 777 coming what routes are they going to fly?

Seems MEX-TIJ-NRT is doing well. According to a recent thread, the loads are really high. Who knows about the yields, but in theory the flight is a moneymaker due to AM's cargo contracts.

The plan is for AM to receive a used 772ER (ex RG's PP-VRB) shortly plus a brand new one in November or December. If I am not mistaken, they will make MEX-GRU an all-772 route and will add one more weekly frequency to NRT. As for additional long-haul routes, it seems AM is considering BCN, LON and maybe another European city (could be AMS, FCO, who knows). The extra 767 capacity resulting from the arrival of the two triple 7's might result in the opening of one or more of these routes. In addition, AM has in its wishlist 2 more cities in Asia, and eventually turning MEX-CDG into a 777 route (right now it is a 767 route), but for that AM will need more 772ERs (or wait for the arrival of the 788s).



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineUcunnn2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6563 times:

Quoting KLM685 (Reply 16):
wow... How about Michoacan to Columbus, or Puerto Escondido - Seattle or Acapulco - La Paz, Bolivia, etc...


I hope AM had a much better plan for the future rather than just imagining routes!

Yeah it sounds really weird...they are getting rid of 10 frames and are applying for some not promising routes... On the other hand flying to Sacramento, San Jose is to compete straight with Mexicana..
I agree both Mexicana and Aeromexico are great airlines, and it looks lik they are also experiencing bad times due to domestic market competition...hopethey can come back to theright path...

Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 18):
PS I saw AM land at FLL today over i95 on my way to work and wondered how many people were even on that flight. Has it been successful? When I flew to MEX last month, FLL was about 150$ cheaper than MIA, but with only 1 daily, it certainly doesn't attract business floks. I would have loved to have taken it, but the departure out of MEX is in the AM, I was still in my meeting. My MIA-MEX flight was almost 80% corporate. Hope FLL is making it.

I live in Miami, and according to recent numbers of MIA, Mexicana was one of the biggest winners on market this year... they also have been advertising everyday (for awhile already) on Univision, Azteca America and Telemundo networks talking about their 3 daily non stop to MEX and 2 to CUN.
My buddies just came from MTY-MEX-MIA with MX yesterday and said the plane was full... Hope those rumrs about MX taking charge of MTY-MIA materialize soon at least 5W


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5238 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6545 times:

Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 18):
There's another thread floating around that AM is to get rid of 10 frames. How are they going to do that!

Well, this is very true, AM's CEO wants to cut by 10 frames mainline fleet, remember AM has something near to 105 frames including its regional partner Aerolitoral, more over, this last one, keeps growing its network and fleet, plus either some E190's arriving... AM desperatedly wants to cut the ASK's in the domestic market. AM''s proposal was to ground 150 pilots, 300 f/a's and 500 employee's in several other areas. AM and 5D's labour is near to 8,500, if they reduce the number to 7,500 it will still be VERY HIGH!! MX as well as QA have something near to 7,000 employee's, they have less planes in fleet and its revenue was higher vs AM last year as well as they flew more pax. MX alone, last year carried 8.8M pax with QA they reached the 10.2M mark, this year, MX goal alone, is to carry more than 10M pax and do 2.5M with Click. Things aren't that good at AM. But nobody has to worry, as long as it is government owned, AM's losses won't hurt any investor or its administration.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 21):
How is the Mexico-Tijuana-Tokyo route working fro AeroMexico ? With the extra 777 coming what routes are they going to fly?

It's doing good. Hopefully it stays! The so awaited 4th B777 should come and AM should keep focusing on the international market. The domestic side battle should be left to Aerolitoral. If PP-VRB goes somewhere else, then discard any other change in the long haul fleet at the moment. Who knows what will be of AM by 2010 if they keep this heading.....



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25 Post contains images JRDC930 : I hope AM can regain its position of prominence, i just cant get used to MX being the dominant airline that is yet unable and likely unwilling to expa
26 Post contains images Ucunnn2 : Better GET IN USE TO now, things are about to change in MX. As i said before a legacy of this airline and prestige wont be wasted.. Management in MX
27 MAH4546 : Mexicana's traffic figures at MIA have soared this year. I really hope to see MX take better advantage of their relationship with AA. MIA-MTY would b
28 Pe@rson : Anyone know the definite top 5 routes from from Mexico (any city) to the USA (any city) in terms of O&D demand?
29 MAH4546 : In 2005, IIRC: 1) MIA-MEX 2) NYC-MEX 3) LAX-MEX 4) LAX-GDL 5) IAH-MEX Keep in mind that while the largest US markets to Mexico are, obviously, Chicag
30 Yellowstone : It would be interesting to see if they start serving the Guadalajara and Mexico City to San Jose routes, since Mexicana already operates those. Are th
31 Juventus : Southwest to Mexico.....If Aeromexico ever had a nightmare, this sure is one of them. Conventional wisdom tells me Los Angeles, Miami and Kennedy wou
32 Ghost77 : Better get used to it! MX alread is the dominant airline since 2005 and they will keep leading for a few more years.. how long? Who knows... Volaris
33 Rojo : I keep wondering why NK did not use its route authority to fly FLL-MEX. I know they were short of frames, but still, they should have taken one frame
34 NAVEGA : JRDC Please get your facts straight. This has been discussed on various and I do mean various forums here. Aeromexico has always been the regional air
35 Post contains images KLM685 : Well, doesn't seem to regional to me as they have a wide international network and a more international presence than MX. Even though, yes, MX has a
36 Oakjam : Wow cool AM possibly coming into OAK! OAK-GDL would be cool. I would fly that to my family's all the time 2-3x a year. I just flew TIJ-NRT and the ser
37 Mikey711MN : For what it's worth, I just started a thread on the report of the AUS-MEX flight getting cut to 1x daily in June and likely cut by July. Which frees u
38 JRDC930 : Didnt mean to step on any ones toes... Sorry if i did, im not attacking MX, i like it as well, not as much as AM but i do. I would just prefer to see
39 Sflaflight : Absolutely, I'm loving all the NK expansion out of FLL lately, but I really would have thought that NK would have jumped on Mexico ASAP (even before
40 MAH4546 : Correct. Over 75% of Miami's Mexican community come from the Yucatan region, many from Merida. AeroMexico is the only airline doing MIA-MID right now
41 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : If this one reaches fruition, at least SJC can have something to make up for AA pulling the plug on SJC-NRT Perhaps they won't pull it as quickly as
42 Juventus : Well said. Aeromexico will always be my favorite airline, and I consider it Mexico's flag carrier. But, yes I would like to see both doing well, and
43 EddieDude : Do you mean 1x weekly? I will check your thread out. It is interesting to me because yesterday I was looking for AUS-MEX flights in August and while
44 NASCARAirforce : What happened to the DTW flights that Aeromexico was supposed to have?
45 Ghost77 : Going East? No. As long as AM keeps flying and European competition keeps making its part, MX will ignore totally Europe. OTOH, MX is/has strong inte
46 JRDC930 : I think thats a great idea, i wish AM would do this as well(work on domestic routing), though i must admit it s quite a while to wait for MX to go we
47 Post contains images Sflaflight : Wow, I'm assuming you mean OW on the ATRs and not MQ. I guess it's just a little longer stretch than MIA-CZM. Now, I think that would be great. Howev
48 MAH4546 : Yes, it would be an ATR-72. They were thinking about it in 2002, and announced plans for MIA-CCS and MIA-BOG. They flew MIA-SDQ for a short time in 2
49 Ucunnn2 : As far a si know it was matter of image...still MX flgihts are doing well for this route from MIA so they rather to keep making good money the way it
50 MaverickM11 : What do you mean by "most traveled"? LAX/MEX has almost 50% more daily flights.
51 MAH4546 : O&D traffic only. MIA-MEX is the busiest O&D pair between the US and the Mexico.
52 MaverickM11 : I just double checked and LAX is definitely bigger, at least for 2006. JFK and ORD may also be bigger but I didn't add up the numbers.
53 NAVEGA : Does anyone have any news on the Aeromexico grounding of approximately 10 to 15 aircraft and asking for Union Consessions from Pilots and Flight Atten
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