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Dubai Bilateral With India/China? (links Please)  
User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12878 posts, RR: 100
Posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1562 times:
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This is a question in two parts: Does anyone know of the bilateral between Dubai and India? Is it part of a greater UAE bilateral or just for the city/state?

Specifically,

What cities are open to DXB (soon JXB? Can anyone confirm the new airport's code?)
Is there a seat cap as with the India/Korea bilateral?

I'm very bullish on the subcontinents potential economic growth for the next decade. However, lets just say I'm a bear on much of the world's economy.  Wink So, can EK fill their A380's doing India to Europe (with connections to 772LR's to the US)?


Now to the China part: I realize Dubai does more trade with China than India (at least in 2006); so is there a bilateral limit on EK expansion into China? Can additional Chinese cities be added easily?

I'm also curious as to what is keeping EK out of NRT...

Any links would be appreciated. (I struck out on a.net's search as well as google.)

Lightsaber

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this thread will probably last after I go get married/honeymoon. Don't expect any posts after May 16th until mid-June.  Wink


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User currently offlineBlrBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 578 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1526 times:

Quoting Lightsaber (Thread starter):
Is it part of a greater UAE bilateral or just for the city/state?

Specifically,

What cities are open to DXB

Dubai has a separate bilateral with India, here is the link...
http://dgca.gov.in/bilateral/mou_UAE.pdf

EK serves BOM,DEL,BLR,MAA,HYD,CCU,TRV,COK

Quoting Lightsaber (Thread starter):
Is there a seat cap as with the India/Korea bilateral?

Yes, 18400 seats per/week

Quoting Lightsaber (Thread starter):
I'm also curious as to what is keeping EK out of NRT...

Bilateral I think not sure though.

Quoting Lightsaber (Thread starter):
So, can EK fill their A380's doing India

Indian govt is not ready to let EK bring big birds! It will be interesting to see what will be the outcome.



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3322 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1514 times:

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 1):
Quoting Lightsaber (Thread starter):
I'm also curious as to what is keeping EK out of NRT...

Bilateral I think not sure though.

Or slots?

That's my guess, given that none of the Middle East carriers that have emerged over the last decade have access to NRT.
No GF, EK, EY or QR flights....


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12878 posts, RR: 100
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1483 times:
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Quoting BlrBird (Reply 1):
Yes, 18400 seats per/week

Oh... that rocks my estimations of EK's growth potential...

18,400... Not that many seats. I also found, in the link, the limitations specific to EK... interesting, e.g.:
8,158 seats/week to Mumbai, Dehli, and Hyderabad (page 2, section viii of the powerpoint).

I couldn't help but notice the Air India Code share agreement (Page 3, section 4).  scratchchin  Interesting...
Yea, I know EK codeshares, but it would be interesting to really get to know the conditions on those code sharing.

For example, what fraction of the seats too/from DXB are really done by code share partners as part of EK's hubbing?  Confused

If you cannot tell, I'm trying to adjust my opinions of how fast EK can realistically grow. (Yes, I know there are many opinions on a.net, but I'm taking a more mathematical approach.)

Then again, a full A380 flying LHR-DXB can offload passengers onto Air India just as easily as onto another EK flight... (Yea... less profit, but it still facilitates growth.)

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 2):

That's my guess, given that none of the Middle East carriers that have emerged over the last decade have access to NRT.
No GF, EK, EY or QR flights....

Last I read (I know, going from memory...) 27 countries are on a NRT wait list. So my question is EK limited by Bilateral or slots for NRT?

Any info on China routes (growth)?

Thanks,
Lightsaber



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3322 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1458 times:

Quoting Lightsaber (Thread starter):
Now to the China part: I realize Dubai does more trade with China than India (at least in 2006); so is there a bilateral limit on EK expansion into China? Can additional Chinese cities be added easily?

I dn't know about EK, but i suspect the chinese would give QR and EY access for other reason.

QR = Qatar = natural gas supply to China

EY = UAE/Abu Dhabi = Oil supply to China.


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12878 posts, RR: 100
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1356 times:
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Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 4):

I dn't know about EK, but i suspect the chinese would give QR and EY access for other reason.

Yea... that makes sense. But Dubai does quite a bit of trade with China. Qatar and Abu Dhabi might supply the oil, but quite a few contracts are negotiated in Dubai... hmmm...  scratchchin 

If someone has a link of Dubai's bilateral with China, I would be very curious to read it.  Wink

Lightsaber

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T-minus 4 days to the wedding!  Smile  Smile  hyper 



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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3092 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1351 times:

Quoting Lightsaber (Thread starter):
Now to the China part: I realize Dubai does more trade with China than India (at least in 2006); so is there a bilateral limit on EK expansion into China? Can additional Chinese cities be added easily?

Irrespective of the volume of trade, the pax traffic between India and DXB will always be far greater, thanks to the huge Indian expat population in Dubai.....


User currently offlineVTNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1333 times:

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 5):
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T-minus 4 days to the wedding! Smile Smile hyper

I'd be more interested in seeing a link for the above, if one exists. If not may be the venue (air or land), location and honeymoon details (Airline and Equipment).

VT-NYC



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12878 posts, RR: 100
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1291 times:
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Quoting VTNYC (Reply 7):
I'd be more interested in seeing a link for the above, if one exists. If not may be the venue (air or land), location and honeymoon details (Airline and Equipment).

ROTFL

Actually, we have a web site... I'm just not ready to post those details.  Wink

Lightsaber



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