According to Helsingin Sanomat, Finnair is selling two of its MD-11 trijets to the Russian airline Aeroflot. Currenttly Finnair is operating seven MD-11's, five of them have leasing contracts and two of them are owned by Finnair.
Which planes will be sold? LGA and LGB?
Finnair will end MD-11 operations by the end of 2010 - after that the long haul operations will be operated only with A330/A340 and later A350.
Aeroflot already operates DC-10 freighters, are this planes going to be in PAX use or converted to freighters?
PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4287 posts, RR: 83
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 17103 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 3): Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
SU will convert these to freighters presumably.
That would be my guess.
That would be right. IIRC as part of the 787 deal Boeing was to supply 6 MD-11Fs as part of the package but since the deal did not progress on time SU missed out on 3 and had to pay considerably higher lease rates on the 3 they got. The other 3 went to TAM. So SU still has a need for MD-11Fs.
Ka From Germany, joined Apr 2000, 686 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 16762 times:
Quoting INNflight (Reply 5): - ZRH's rwy 16, which is a "take-off only - landings not allowed" runway in normal ops
Which is not correct.
Landings on RWY16 are allowed and done, though due to the RWY crossing 16/28 it increases complexity and thus the possibility of runway incursions. So landings on RWY16 are usually only conducted in less traffic or for operational reasons.
A342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 16367 times:
Quoting KL808 (Reply 9): Do you guys think that Airbus was involved in this deal in some sort of way?
You mean Airbus buying the MD11 from AY at an inflated price and then selling them to SU for the normal price? I don't think so. The MD11 is quite popular (for freighter conversions), so there's not really a need to do this.
IMO it's much more likely that Airbus gave AY a very good deal on the A330/340/350 order.
Aeroflot777 From Austria, joined Mar 2004, 3478 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 16269 times:
Quoting Ravel (Thread starter): Aeroflot already operates DC-10 freighters, are this planes going to be in PAX use or converted to freighters?
Aeroflot has been planning for a while to return the DC-10s as part of the planned modernization of it's fleet. In their place, as SU expands their cargo operations, 6 or 7 MD-11Fs would be purchased.
Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 4): That would be right. IIRC as part of the 787 deal Boeing was to supply 6 MD-11Fs as part of the package but since the deal did not progress on time SU missed out on 3 and had to pay considerably higher lease rates on the 3 they got. The other 3 went to TAM. So SU still has a need for MD-11Fs.
Dacman From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 447 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 16232 times:
For those of you that LUV the MD-11, a trip to Anchorage is a must for you. At peal times there are normally 15 or more DAC heavies on the ground, I never saw this many MD-11s on the DAC flight ramp in Long Beach.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13856 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 16217 times:
Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 12): Aeroflot has been planning for a while to return the DC-10s as part of the planned modernization of it's fleet. In their place, as SU expands their cargo operations, 6 or 7 MD-11Fs would be purchased
Must be that MD's are the only a/c's that are tough enough for Aeroflot. At least these will go to a place where they will be well used and help out Boeing get the deal with other and new a/c's done with Aeroflot.
Vio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1583 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 15275 times:
I flew Finnair's MD-11s back in 1999 from YYZ to HEL and return. I really liked the aircraft. I found it to be very comfortable and I enjoyed it very much! I'm sad to see them go from AY's fleet, but the "Bus" probably makes more sense from a business point of view. I'm sure Finnair has very smart and competent staff and their decision will benefit Finnair overall. From a "plane lover's" point of view, that's just too bad, but hey, we still have lots of photos to remind ourserlves of the good "old days" of the MD11, especially the "Moomin" paint scheme...
The one with the Muumi livery is a DC-10-30 as you probably have noticed. The first in AY colors was introduced in 1975 and when the last MD11 will eventually retire in 2010 a 35 year long era of threeholers in Finland is over..
Jabar From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 13100 times:
I fly JFK-HEL in J (with the updated cabin) a few times a year and I must admit that the ride in the MD-11 is one of the best I know.... and I've flown many heavies out there with the exception of the 773 or some Russian made birds (IL-96)
Not being an expert in aircraft design, I've always wondered what makes the ride in the MD so appealing. Maybe someone can shed some expert view on that.... or maybe it's just a question of pure personal taste.