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Finnair Sells MD-11s To Aeroflot  
User currently offlineRavel From Finland, joined Feb 2006, 137 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16201 times:

http://www.hs.fi/talous/artikkeli/Fi...konetta+Aeroflotille/1135227286236
http://www.finnairgroup.com/group/gr...up_11_2_1.html?&Id=1179222681.html

According to Helsingin Sanomat, Finnair is selling two of its MD-11 trijets to the Russian airline Aeroflot. Currenttly Finnair is operating seven MD-11's, five of them have leasing contracts and two of them are owned by Finnair.

Which planes will be sold? LGA and LGB?

Finnair will end MD-11 operations by the end of 2010 - after that the long haul operations will be operated only with A330/A340 and later A350.

Aeroflot already operates DC-10 freighters, are this planes going to be in PAX use or converted to freighters?

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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16191 times:

I am flying Finnair when I go to BKK in October - desperate to fly the MD11 before they are retired.

SU will convert these to freighters presumably.

[Edited 2007-05-15 14:02:25]


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineRavel From Finland, joined Feb 2006, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16175 times:

I have heard that the Finnair's MD-11 give the best three-holer ride in the world, is this ture?  Smile

User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16131 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
desperate to fly the MD11 before they are retired.

I was lucky enough to fly them regularly when they flew for SR. I have loads of good memories of them at LAX, NBO, KIX...

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
SU will convert these to freighters presumably.

That would be my guess.

Quoting Ravel (Reply 2):
I have heard that the Finnair's MD-11 give the best three-holer ride in the world, is this ture?

Not if you're back in Y where they have something like fourteen-abreast!  Wink


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4095 posts, RR: 90
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16077 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 3):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
SU will convert these to freighters presumably.

That would be my guess.

That would be right. IIRC as part of the 787 deal Boeing was to supply 6 MD-11Fs as part of the package but since the deal did not progress on time SU missed out on 3 and had to pay considerably higher lease rates on the 3 they got. The other 3 went to TAM. So SU still has a need for MD-11Fs.

2010, will be sad to AYs MD-11s no more.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineINNflight From Austria, joined Apr 2004, 3765 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16049 times:

Quoting Ravel (Reply 2):
I have heard that the Finnair's MD-11 give the best three-holer ride in the world, is this ture?

I've been onboard the very last Swiss Air Lines MD-11 flight, gotta see whether Finnair can actually beat

- "low level" (for an airliner in cruise) above the Swiss Alps

- approaching Berne Airport, going around at minimums ( wooo Big grin )

- landing at ZRH's rwy 16, which is a "take-off only - landings not allowed" runway in normal ops

- the song 'time to say goodbye' making pax cry while taxiing to the gate  Smile  Smile  Smile

- water salutes of course

- almost an hr on the plane after arrival at the gate, chatting to the crew in the flight deck, posing for pictures, etc.

Was the best flight I ever had, for sure!!  Smile


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Cheers, guys...long live the MD-11!!



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16017 times:

Are SU still getting used MD11F's from Boeing?

User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 15951 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 3):
Quoting Ravel (Reply 2):
I have heard that the Finnair's MD-11 give the best three-holer ride in the world, is this ture?

Not if you're back in Y where they have something like fourteen-abreast!

In the words of the great Homer J Simpson esquire...

DOH!



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineKa From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 655 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 15736 times:

(OFF topic)

Quoting INNflight (Reply 5):
- ZRH's rwy 16, which is a "take-off only - landings not allowed" runway in normal ops

Which is not correct.
Landings on RWY16 are allowed and done, though due to the RWY crossing 16/28 it increases complexity and thus the possibility of runway incursions. So landings on RWY16 are usually only conducted in less traffic or for operational reasons.

KA.



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User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1582 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 15723 times:

Do you guys think that Airbus was involved in this deal in some sort of way?

Drew



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User currently offlineEFHK From Finland, joined Nov 2006, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15341 times:

Quoting Ravel (Thread starter):
LGA and LGB?

LGC and LGD are the planes AY still owns. LGA and LGB are leased from BBAM (Babcock&Brown Aircraft Management)and LGE, LGF and LGG are leased from Boeing Capital Corp.



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15341 times:

Quoting KL808 (Reply 9):
Do you guys think that Airbus was involved in this deal in some sort of way?

You mean Airbus buying the MD11 from AY at an inflated price and then selling them to SU for the normal price? I don't think so. The MD11 is quite popular (for freighter conversions), so there's not really a need to do this.

IMO it's much more likely that Airbus gave AY a very good deal on the A330/340/350 order.



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 2993 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15243 times:

Quoting Ravel (Thread starter):
Aeroflot already operates DC-10 freighters, are this planes going to be in PAX use or converted to freighters?

Aeroflot has been planning for a while to return the DC-10s as part of the planned modernization of it's fleet. In their place, as SU expands their cargo operations, 6 or 7 MD-11Fs would be purchased.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 4):
That would be right. IIRC as part of the 787 deal Boeing was to supply 6 MD-11Fs as part of the package but since the deal did not progress on time SU missed out on 3 and had to pay considerably higher lease rates on the 3 they got. The other 3 went to TAM. So SU still has a need for MD-11Fs.

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User currently offlineDacman From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 444 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 15206 times:

For those of you that LUV the MD-11, a trip to Anchorage is a must for you. At peal times there are normally 15 or more DAC heavies on the ground, I never saw this many MD-11s on the DAC flight ramp in Long Beach.

Michael
(Dacman)
LAX / LGB Local



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12878 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 15191 times:

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 12):
Aeroflot has been planning for a while to return the DC-10s as part of the planned modernization of it's fleet. In their place, as SU expands their cargo operations, 6 or 7 MD-11Fs would be purchased

Must be that MD's are the only a/c's that are tough enough for Aeroflot. At least these will go to a place where they will be well used and help out Boeing get the deal with other and new a/c's done with Aeroflot.


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4599 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 14318 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
I am flying Finnair when I go to BKK in October - desperate to fly the MD11 before they are retired.

You'll enjoy it... I flew it last month - SIN-BKK-HEL.

The cabin is 10 abreast at the rear, and 9 abreast Y in front of it - so aim for one of those seats.

I was in 1L in J, so I can't say what the flight down the back was like... the Asian crew was patchy, no-one greeted us at the door, but the Finnish crew were very good.

Main thing was it was a great ride! Check out the Safety Card - the doors operate different to anything I've ever seen!



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineVio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1364 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 14249 times:

I flew Finnair's MD-11s back in 1999 from YYZ to HEL and return. I really liked the aircraft. I found it to be very comfortable and I enjoyed it very much! I'm sad to see them go from AY's fleet, but the "Bus" probably makes more sense from a business point of view. I'm sure Finnair has very smart and competent staff and their decision will benefit Finnair overall. From a "plane lover's" point of view, that's just too bad, but hey, we still have lots of photos to remind ourserlves of the good "old days" of the MD11, especially the "Moomin" paint scheme...


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Cheers,

Vio
Calgary, Canada



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User currently offlineDonzilasse From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13929 times:

The three MD 11,s with TAM will go to Aeroflot as cargo aircrafts after that TAM takes delivery of the 773,s 2008.
Lasse


User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13502 times:

Just wondering - if the MD11 is so revered as a freighter why doesn't Finnair convert them to freighters and use them  scratchchin 


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User currently offlineSaleya22R From France, joined Mar 2007, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12379 times:
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Quoting Vio (Reply 16):

Hi Vio,
The one with the Muumi livery is a DC-10-30 as you probably have noticed. The first in AY colors was introduced in 1975 and when the last MD11 will eventually retire in 2010 a 35 year long era of threeholers in Finland is over..

[Edited 2007-05-15 21:16:05]

User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12222 times:

Quoting Donzilasse (Reply 17):
The three MD 11,s with TAM will go to Aeroflot as cargo aircrafts after that TAM takes delivery of the 773,s 2008.

Aeroflot should receive 2 MD11's this year, former Varig machines PP-VQF/H. They are also destined to get PT-MSH/J from TAM when their lease finnishes in 2009.

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User currently offlineJabar From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12074 times:

I fly JFK-HEL in J (with the updated cabin) a few times a year and I must admit that the ride in the MD-11 is one of the best I know.... and I've flown many heavies out there with the exception of the 773 or some Russian made birds (IL-96)

Not being an expert in aircraft design, I've always wondered what makes the ride in the MD so appealing. Maybe someone can shed some expert view on that.... or maybe it's just a question of pure personal taste.

Regardless, I will miss them.  Sad


User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11953 times:

Quoting Jabar (Reply 21):
Maybe someone can shed some expert view on that....

I'll shed you a light on that... After 12 flights on Charlie and Delta, I'm glad to see them go. Big grin



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User currently offlineDavidkunzVIE From Austria, joined Mar 2007, 431 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11921 times:

By the way, anyone agree that OH-LGB is the best rego for an M11?


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User currently offlineEFHK From Finland, joined Nov 2006, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11819 times:

Quoting DavidkunzVIE (Reply 23):
By the way, anyone agree that OH-LGB is the best rego for an M11?

Haha, I must! Big grin Maybe it will be the last one to fly for AY...  stirthepot 



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25 A380US : thats not possible because FAA regulations rewuire you to be within 3 seats of an aisle and that would mean the highest could be 11 across
26 ATCGOD : I think he was joking, as you might notice from the wink behind his remark.
27 Post contains links and images Vio : Oh wow, I just searched "Moomin" on the search tool bar and the DC10 came up first. I just assumed that it was the MD11 without even looking at the b
28 Post contains images EFHK : Yes, and also last summer 2 MD11s were painted with a special Moomins-livery. [Edited 2007-05-15 23:17:42]
29 Post contains images IL62M : Well, guys... SU will recieve its first MD-11 freighter this july. Finnair's MD-11 will be converted to freighters and according to information from r
30 IL62M : Correction: not A350s but A330
31 WSOY : I'm hoping for the MD-11s to receive the new clever Aeroflot paint scheme. The Finnair press release says: The aircraft which are currently serving in
32 Post contains images IL62M : Well i dont know. The "new" color scheme of Aeroflot Cargo you can see using the search. Have no idea of will there be a "newer" scheme, like the SU
33 Ravel : Nicely said, especially remembering how Russians like to build planes. I believe the MD-11's will find good home in Russian hands, especially with th
34 Post contains links and images IL62M : Here's a link to news in russian. http://www.avia.ru/news/?id=1179147169 You can see the "scheme" for Aeroflot cargo. The picture was taken from Aerof
35 EddieDude : I recently saw an ad in an Australian newspaper about the new AY's business class seats and something like "mix-n-match fares" that allow you to fly
36 Daron4000 : Does anyone know if Finnair flies these birds within Europe? It would be lovely to fly on one of them this summer.
37 Richie87 : Yes... I do believe the MD-11's are a really classy looking aircraft... and while I have not been on any of the Finnair fleet... I had the luck to be
38 Aeroflot777 : The birds should look outstanding if they are painted in the SU colors. Aeroflot777
39 Finnaviation : No. All 7 birds fly only longhauls. HEL-BKK, HEL-HKG, HEL-CAN, HEL-KIX, HEL-PEK, HEL-DEL and HEL-JFK are the routes you can fly these lovely threehol
40 Post contains images LTU932 : Nah. OH-LGA, aka Olga, is a much better registration.
41 Super98 : Why yes; It's called wiingloading. That has been a common theme with Douglas Commercial ever since the DC-9. Just enjoy my last Alaska MD-80 ride in/
42 Andaman : Occasionally they have used MD-11 in European and even in domestic service. In once flew it HEL-STN. But, it happens rarely nowadays and as said abov
43 LTU932 : Sorry for being OT as well, but regarding landings on RW16 at ZRH, isn't there also the airspace problem that is preventing more frequent landings th
44 Teme82 : This means that NTR and KIX flights are operated with A340-300 ??? I think that last routes where AY's MD-11 will fly are HEL - JFK and HEL - BKK.
45 Raggi : Did Finnair announce any breakdown of their A330/A340 order? Will the A330s be 200s or 300s? Any word on engine choice? Is RR in the lead, as they hav
46 Teme82 : I would bet A330-300 since JFK, BOM, DEL and PEK are in its range. RR is my bet for engines.
47 Finnaviation : Yes. NRT, BOM, PVG and NGO are operated by A340. Or should we say "downgraded".[Edited 2007-05-16 13:00:20]
48 Post contains images Teme82 : Someone's "downgrade" is someones "upgrade"
49 Levg79 : The interesting thing was that AY CEO has been noted saying that "the best airplane to replace the MD-11 is another MD-11". I wonder what happened wit
50 Finnaviation : And this was about five years ago and CEO was Keijo Suíla. Now five years later they have new CEO and new strategy. And you cant fly with MD-11 fore
51 WSOY : Thanks for the pic link! Does the above imply that the planes are prohibited from entering Russia at all times?
52 WSOY : You could ask for a refund & fly them to Europe and back. Helsinki is well connected to European cities, some y tickets seem to be available for an e
53 IL62M : No. Of course not. They will surely enter Russia. I cant understand what do you mean by that question... There is a "problem" with high taxes over co
54 Post contains images LipeGIG : Aeroflot will receive the 3 M11 from TAM in 2008 as they will receive 4 Boeing 777-300ER to replace them during Q2 and Q3 mainly. This slide, from a
55 ClassicLover : Yes, I did it last month - QF to SIN, AY J to HEL via BKK and AY J to LHR. My friend is doing SYD-NRT on QF, NRT-HEL-DUB in Y... The travel agents ar
56 EddieDude : Cool! And are the fares attractive? And can one use miles to book these eco/biz combos without having to book separate flights? I also wonder whether
57 Jr : No kidding... its one of the most overrated rides if you're in the back end of Y with 10 abreast. Ridiculously uncomfortable. I had an AA ticket on t
58 ClassicLover : Miles would be sector by sector, at least they are with QF... The fares aren't bad - I got the SIN-BKK-HEL-LHR for $2,200 Singapore dollars or about
59 Andaman : AY haven't been flying to MIA for a while, at the moment only to JFK - and in summer their holiday division flies HEL-ARN-BOS (B752)
60 WSOY : So they will be registering offshore to avoid the heavy taxation & duties imposed on Western airliners imported to Russia, is my thinking correct now
61 IL62M : Yes, that is what i think will be. As all the Airbus and Boeing fleet of SU and it's "daughter" companies is registered VP-***.
62 Ka : (OFF Topic) No, both approaches (to RWY14 and RWY16) are going equally over German territory. The little use of RWY16 as landing RWY has only operatio
63 Post contains links LipeGIG : An off-topic reply Eddie, i was waiting for some info that come true today, so that's it ! TAM Moving Faster Abroad, More 77W/A332 On Sight (by LipeGI
64 WSOY : Might you have a idea of how much the financial penalty would be in real terms? If it's that easily circumventable, makes me wonder what economics te
65 IL62M : Every maintanance you can dream of. I'm sorry, but the question is a bit silly.
66 Post contains links and images WSOY : Sorry to have asked such a silly question again, but a Russian maintenance undertaker needs to carry a certificate from the overseas authorities, a c
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