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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17687 posts, RR: 46
Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4313 times:

I'm trying to fly to ASB and I was wondering if anyone could tell me a)how the following flights look:

May 23 IAHFRA #441
May 24 FRAASB #612
May 28 ASBFRA #613
May 28 FRAIAH #440

and b) how does ASB do for LH in general? It seems like a very unique destination for LH seeing as they're the only EU airline that flies there. What kind of traffic are they taking to ASB? Is it mostly VFR or business? Both?


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User currently offlineLxlgu From South Africa, joined Sep 2000, 1085 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4275 times:

Hi MaverickM11

LH 441 is about 75 per cent in business and almost full in economy

LH 612 has no one in first about half full in business and 75 per cent full economy

LH 613 has no one in first less than half full in business and just over half full in economy

LH 440 almost full in business and about 75 per cent full economy

Have a good trip!

Cheers!
Tony


User currently offlineMusapapaya From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1093 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4148 times:

Just curious, are you trying to non-rev?
And I am now going to find a map to find where Ashgabat is, oh dear me.



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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4145 times:

Quoting Musapapaya (Reply 2):
And I am now going to find a map to find where Ashgabat is, oh dear me.

Capital of Turkmenistan.



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User currently offlineMusapapaya From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1093 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4134 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 3):
Capital of Turkmenistan

Yeah, found it on the map.

Hello MaverickM11,

I do hope you could go there and please try to get us a trip report.. Thanks!



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17687 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4111 times:

Quoting Musapapaya (Reply 2):
Just curious, are you trying to non-rev?

Yep.

Quoting Musapapaya (Reply 4):
I do hope you could go there and please try to get us a trip report..

Me too! Especially on the domestic flights I hope to take!



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17687 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3864 times:

Quoting Lxlgu (Reply 1):
LH 612 has no one in first about half full in business and 75 per cent full economy

Why does LH have F in this market?

Quoting Lxlgu (Reply 1):
LH 441 is about 75 per cent in business and almost full in economy



Quoting Lxlgu (Reply 1):
LH 440 almost full in business and about 75 per cent full economy

Thanks! How about DENFRA and back on those same dates? #447 and #446?



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User currently offlineLxlgu From South Africa, joined Sep 2000, 1085 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3757 times:

Hi

Denver Frankfurt 12C 63 Y open

Frankfurt Denver 27C 27Y open

Good luck!
Tony


User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1450 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3708 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
Why does LH have F in this market?

Oil industry is big in Turkmenistan



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17687 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3494 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 8):
Oil industry is big in Turkmenistan

It's natural gas, but I'm curious whether LH or Germany has a connection to Turkmenistan that no one else has I guess. For instance, I would think ASB would be a better market than FRU (Bishkek) for BMED.



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User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3449 times:

LH 612/613 is an A300?


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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17687 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3427 times:

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 10):
LH 612/613 is an A300?

A330-300, although it was listed as an A300 about three months out



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3257 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 9):
I would think ASB would be a better market than FRU (Bishkek) for BMED.

In some investigating work I did a couple of months ago, I gathered that there is strong intellectual exchange between Kyrgyzstan and the West at the moment: especially the United States, and other EU nations as well.

Now Kyrgyzstan being the youngest of the independent former Soviet Republics, is on, from what I have gathered in news reports and official State Department press releases is on a "Fast-Track" of "Westernization". (Wrapped up in the blanket of combating terrorism....call it what you will.)
With this comes a requirement for a ready means of transportation for diplomats and contractors, etc.

The current airlines into Manas International Airport (FRU) are; Kyrgyzstan Airlines, Altyn Air, Itek Air, Uzbekistan airways, Enkor, Kyrgyz Air, China Xinjiang airlines, Botir Airlines, Aeroflot, Turkish Airlines, and of course BA/BMed.

From that list I can only assume some wise individual has relegated these airlines to a secret State Department list of carriers to avoid...giving BA/BMed the market, since A). The UK is our strongest ally in the campaign, and B). BMed is an airline specifically tasked with flying to locations with special considerations, or more blunt, places where BA might have to employ unique operation standards, (i.e., increasing it's exposure to the overall cost of insurance) but whereas the financial payout is just too large to ignore.
They can charge what they want.

This is only my guess in answer to your curiosity.

Frunze, or Bishkek, as it is now known, is the home to the coalition base in support of NATO's Afghanistan activities.

In addition to the USAF 376th Expeditionary Wing, (FA-18/C-5/C-17/KC-135), other nations include; The UK, Australia (KB-707), South Korea (personnel), Italty (personnel), the Netherlands (C-130), Denmark (C-130), Singapore (air-refueling ??), (Norway (C-130), Spain (C-130), and France (Mirage 2000/C-135FR) have/had a presence at the unofficially named Ganci Air Base at Manas Int'l. (Named for Chief Peter J. Ganci Jr., chief of the New York City Fire Department who gave his life Sept. 11)
Official name is Manas Air Base because of some obscure DoD rule in how military bases are named.....(I believe they cannot be named after U.S. Heroes.)....but the guys on the ground still refer to it as Ganci. Good for them.

The situation in Kyrgyzstan is fluid and changes daily...some of the information may be out of date at this point. I believe France and Singapore are no longer involved at this point in time.



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User currently offlineRemcor From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3231 times:

I took a domestic Turkmenistan flight from Ashgabat. A security guard tried to intimidate me into giving him $10. If that happens to do what I did: tell him to go to hell.

Germany has been trying to build up its presence in Central Asia. Germany has a military base in Termez, Uzbzekistan near the Afghan border and is real keen on the energy resources of the region. Funny thing is, that there's only 1 weekly flight between Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan. Says a lot about how cooperation is going between Central Asian countries.

Ashgabat is a zany, weird city - you'll love it. Get the Lonely Planet Central Asia guidebook, it'll give you a brief history that'll make you appreciate this fascinating part of the world.

It's too bad that President for Life Sapparamut Niyazov Turkmenbashi died last year. He had a cult of personality that was only rivaled by Kim Il-sung of North Korea. Cities were named after him (look at the name of the large town on the Caspian coast), months of the year named after him and his mother, and I'm not sure but I'd bet you're flying into Turkmenbashi Airport also.

Like most Central Asian's, though, the people are extremely hospitable.

[Edited 2007-05-17 06:29:27]

User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1706 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3160 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):
Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 10):
LH 612/613 is an A300?

A330-300, although it was listed as an A300 about three months out

It used to be operated by an A300 (ABA) with a different config than the A300's (AB6) flying in Europe.
LH installed the old C-class seats from the 744 and 343 in these birds. Therefore quite a comfy ride on a A300.
Due to demand LH switched to the 333 since summer schedule, and CAI now sees 2x daily A300 iso 2x 330.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5880 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3042 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 12):
The current airlines into Manas International Airport (FRU) are; Kyrgyzstan Airlines, Altyn Air, Itek Air, Uzbekistan airways, Enkor, Kyrgyz Air, China Xinjiang airlines, Botir Airlines, Aeroflot, Turkish Airlines, and of course BA/BMed

China Xinjinag Airlines was merged into China Southern six years back.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17687 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3030 times:

Quoting Remcor (Reply 13):
Get the Lonely Planet Central Asia guidebook

I've had it for a year Smile

Quoting Remcor (Reply 13):
It's too bad that President for Life Sapparamut Niyazov Turkmenbashi died last year. He had a cult of personality that was only rivaled by Kim Il-sung of North Korea

That's what initially drew me to Turkmenistan. However for the Turkmen it's probably a good thing that Turkmenbashi died even though his replacement isn't much better.



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User currently offlineRemcor From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2924 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 16):

That's what initially drew me to Turkmenistan. However for the Turkmen it's probably a good thing that Turkmenbashi died even though his replacement isn't much better.

We'll see, things take time. He fired the veteran secret service chief this week, whom many analysts think held a lot of power in the Turkmen government for decades. So there are a few indications that Turkmenistan may improve... eventually.

Anyway, you'll have a blast. I also recommend other Central Asian states.


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2903 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 15):
China Xinjinag Airlines was merged into China Southern six years back.

And to think I got that from the Masan website!
http://www.airport.kg/eng/airlines.htm
As I mentioned in my previous post, good and accurate information for this region of the world is hard to come by, Thank you for the update!



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User currently offlineDavidkunzVIE From Austria, joined Mar 2007, 431 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2891 times:

As a sidenote, I just happened to find out yesterday that Turkmenistan Airlies is one of the few intl carriers without an official website.


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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17687 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2834 times:

Quoting Remcor (Reply 17):
I also recommend other Central Asian states.

I'm dying to go to all of 'em...even Afghanistan but I think I'll wait for that one to cool off first. Kyrgyzstan is our back up if ASB fills up suddenly somehow.



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User currently offlineDiesel33 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2823 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 20):
I'm dying to go to all of 'em...even Afghanistan but I think I'll wait for that one to cool off first. Kyrgyzstan is our back up if ASB fills up suddenly somehow.

Was all the visa red-tape a hassle to get around?


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17687 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

Quoting Diesel33 (Reply 21):
Was all the visa red-tape a hassle to get around?

Not yet...at least getting the Turkmenistan visa was not too hard; you just have to get an invitation first and those are offered by most tour companies over there.



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User currently offlineEKSkycargo370 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2721 times:

My cousins flew to BKK via Ashgabat on Turkmenistan Airlines.On arrival into Ashgabat they were allowed off the aircraft.My cousin went to take a photo of the plane and airport and rapidly had a machine gun pointing in his nose by the local authorities.They described the exeperience like something out of the dark ages and the flight was apparently a never to be repeated experience!

User currently offlineRemcor From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2609 times:

Quoting DavidkunzVIE (Reply 19):
As a sidenote, I just happened to find out yesterday that Turkmenistan Airlies is one of the few intl carriers without an official website.

That could be partially because there's no public internet access allowed in Turkmenistan. I've heard that recently they've allowed a internet cafe to open in Ashgabat, but I've also heard that people have to show their ID and there's soldiers posted in front. That's fine for you and me, but it's pretty intimidating for an average Turkmen who dares to want to get some non state-run news. In that context, it's understandable that Turkmenistan Airlines wouldn't have a website.

I did get to fly in one of their Tu-154's before they retired them, though. That was a sweet ride.

Quoting EKSkycargo370 (Reply 23):
They described the exeperience like something out of the dark ages and the flight was apparently a never to be repeated experience!

Oh come on, that's flavor! That's what makes for good stories later!


25 Post contains links Buckieboy : I have no visibility whether you are a UK citizen or not. The section on the attachment, "Local Laws and Customs" specifically mentions airports and
26 JFK787NYC : After TurkManBashi died (Turkmenistan President) there has been a flood of flights into the country. It is actually very hard to find an empty seat on
27 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Are there many standby's traveling IAH/FRA midweek? What are the odds of scoring an upgrade ?
28 MaverickM11 : Can anyone at LH give me an update on how many seats are available for the following flights? Feel free to private message me. Thanks! May 23 IAHFRA #
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