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Submarine Aircraft Carrier?  
User currently offlineZanadou From South Korea, joined Nov 2000, 342 posts, RR: 0
Posted (14 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1618 times:

Not really Civil Aviation but worth a look:



The Royal Australian Navy Skyhawk, being an all-purpose aircraft, was the subject of a 1970s experimental sea trial of an A-4 on board a Royal Australian Navy submarine. There was no objection from the aviators to operating the Skyhawk from the somewhat limited deck space of the submarine. A problem with the Skyhawk's turbine cavitating while underway submerged was overcome. The diesel catapult worked just fine. However, the experiment was abandoned when the submarine's CO objected to the jet blast burning the paintwork off the sail.
Photograph courtesy of the Australian Naval Aircraft Museum: Mark Clayton, Director; Windy Geale, Curator


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User currently offlineBrissie_lions From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (14 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1547 times:

Trust the ADF to come up with some pointless exercise at taxpayer expense.

What I would be more impressed with is the photo of the Skyhawk landing on the sub 



User currently offlineExusair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (14 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1540 times:

Discovery or History Channel had a "What If" type scenario about the Japanese in WW-II. They had plans for a submarine/aircraft carrier that would launch attacks on the Panama Canal amongst other targets. The schematics were drawn to computer simulations and presented during the program.

User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1527 times:

The japanese did build 3 or 4 of these huge submarines, which were by far the largest in the world at the time. But they never got round to the mission they were built for.

The British and the French both experimented with the idea in the 1920s and 30s, and built some monsters as well, but not as big as the Japanese version, which if I recall could carry 4 aircraft.

Charles


User currently offlineJoewhi From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (14 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1539 times:

The Japanese actually launched a float plane from a submarine off Cape Otway southwest of Melbourne during the war. It flew up over Port Phillip Heads along the west coast of Port Phillip bay over the RAAF base at Laverton/Point Cook where it was actually sighted by airforce personnel. Hundreds of civilians saw it also. It then flew down the bay back to the heads and back to the sub at Cape Otway. The pilot is still alive and was interviewed a few years ago for Lew Linds book TOKU-TAI,which relates the whole story plus many more.

User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (14 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1499 times:

Are those the Japanese I-boats?

The Germans also carried collapsible float planes on some submarines, for reconnaisance purposes.

A skyhawk on a sub is rediculous. Internal space is limited- where would they put it? How would they get it below deck to dive, or did they just strap it down, sink, and hope for the best?



"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineFlyBoeing From United States of America, joined May 2000, 866 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (14 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1459 times:

This hearkens back to the dark days of WWII when the German FW 200 long-range bombers were threatening the convoys and vectoring submarines in on them. The British put a Hurricane on a merchatman and sent it off the deck with RATO jets. But the catch is that there was no way to recover the aircraft. The pilot had to ditch.

And A-4 experiment looks like that, except that they throw away a bigger, more expensive plane.


User currently offlineJoewhi From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (14 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1455 times:

Obviously it was a slow day at HMAS Albatross (NAS Nowra) in the photography section, but a good trick photo anyway lads.

User currently offlineWannabe From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 677 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (14 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1440 times:

It took the RAF Research division 3 years to develop an oxidizer that was inserted into the jet fuel through a high-tech carbonation process. This enabled the aircraft to be started while submurged and launched seconds after the sub surfaced. They did, however, suffer FOD from fish strikes.

User currently offlineZanadou From South Korea, joined Nov 2000, 342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (14 years 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1439 times:

"Fish Strike" Now that would look good on a accident report...

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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29836 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (14 years 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1427 times:

Just FYI....

Alaska Airlines did have a fish stike a few years back with a 737 coming out of the Juneau, Alaska Airport.

Here is a copy of the incident report that is in the FAA database. You can look it up yourself and see that I am not making it up.

Data Source: FAA INCIDENT DATA SYSTEM
Report Number: 19870330027849C
Local Date: 03/30/1987
Local Time: 10:56
City: JUNEAU
State: AK
Airport Name: JUNEAU INTL
Airport Id: JNU
Event Type: INCIDENT - AIR CARRIER
Mid Air Collision: NOT A MIDAIR
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Aircraft Information
Aircraft Damage: NONE
Phase of Flight: TO INITIAL CLIMB (1ST POWER REDUCTION)
Aircraft Make/Model: BOEING B-737-200
Airframe Hours:
Operator Code: ASAA
Operator: ALASKA AIRLINES INC - ASAA
Owner Name: ALASKA AIRLINES INC
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Narrative
AS AIRCRAFT TOOK OFF AN EAGLE CARRYING A LARGE FISH WAS NOTED ABOVE.
EAGLE DROPPED FISH WHICH STRUCK FUSELAGE.















--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Detail
Primary Flight Type: SCHEDULED AIR CARRIER
Secondary Flight Type: PASSENGERS AND CARGO
Type of Operation: AIR CARRIER/COMMERCIAL
Registration Number: 741AS
Total Aboard: 30
Fatalities: 0
Injuries: 0

Landing Gear:
Aircraft Weight Class: OVER 12500 LBS
Engine Make:
Engine Model:
Engine Group:
Number of Engines: 2
Engine Type:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Environmental/Operations Information
Primary Flight Conditions: VISUAL FLIGHT RULES
Secondary Flight Conditions: WEATHER NOT A FACTOR
Wind Direction (deg): 10
Wind Speed (mph): 10
Visibility (mi): 7
Visibility Restrictions:
Light Condition: DAY
Flight Plan Filed: INSTRUMENT FLIGHT RULES
Approach Type:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Pilot-in-Command
Pilot Certificates: AIRLINE TRANSPORT
Pilot Rating: AIRPLANE SINGLE, MULTI-ENGINE LAND
Pilot Qualification: QUALIFIED

Flight Time (Hours)

Total Hours:
Total in Make/Model: 0
Total Last 90 Days: 0
Total Last 90 Days Make/Model: 0




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User currently offlineThe Ticketor From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 434 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (14 years 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1422 times:

Hey, that's a good one! Almost worthy of a topic of it's own.

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