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TUI To Order 11 787s and 50 737s  
User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6485 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9918 times:

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FRANKFURT (Dow Jones)--German tourism and shipping company TUI AG (TUI1.XE) said Wednesday it wants to order 11 Dreamliners 787 from Boeing Co (BA).

TUI made the statement at the company's annual shareholders' meeting.

So far, it was only known that TUI wanted to purchase 11 airplanes, however, the company failed to disclose which model it was after.

The Dreamliner order is for the years 2010 to 2013, TUI said.

Since they named a specific date, it sounds like an LoI rather than a statement of intention.

TUI Specifies Boeing Order Is For 11 Dreamliners 787


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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9841 times:

If true, good news! This will increase the competition to popular holiday destinations.


Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9823 times:

So I suppose these birds are going to Thomsonfly, TUIfly Nordic, Arkefly and maybe Corsairfly? There have been some rumors about TUIfly (the former HF) starting longhaul flights beginning in winter 2008 ex Germany, so meybe there is another market for them (although only a small fraction of those 11 planes would be needed there right away).


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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9723 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 2):
There have been some rumors about TUIfly (the former HF) starting longhaul flights beginning in winter 2008

I really hope so, but I don't think their 787s would be delivered that fast.



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9712 times:
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If they succeed with their merger with First Choice they'll actually have 23 787s on order.

Quoting N328KF (Thread starter):
Since they named a specific date, it sounds like an LoI rather than a statement of intention.

There are 11 UFO 787-8s booked on 15-Sep-2006 listed on Boeings O&D website.

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm A user defined search will show those.

In December on the 15th TUI released a statement that they would order up to 41 Boeings though they were not too specific on models and a breakdown. Boeing released a statement, it was made clear that including what TUI already had on backlog, in addition to the new orders, that their backlog increased to 65 frames. Not to many were listed so one was left with the impression that some were already booked as UFOs.

SEATTLE, Dec. 15, 2006 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] is delighted to confirm that the TUI Group has announced a major fleet renewal involving the purchase of 41 Boeing airplanes valued at $3.6 billion at list prices.

This order brings the total order backlog of TUI with Boeing to a total of 65 aircraft, some of which were previously recorded on Boeing's Orders and Deliveries website as unidentified.


http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q4/061215d_nr.html

Today, May 16 2007, TUI Chief Executive Officer Mr Michael Frenzel stated that TUI had a total of 58 outstanding orders accounted for, a "ticker bomb" from a subscriber only service below;

*TUI CEO SAYS COMPANY NOW HAS 58 PLANE ORDERS WITH BOEING

In my opinion these are the 11 ordered as UFOs in September last year, if the First Choice merger goes through then it will be 23 787s and they intend to start a new long haul carrier in 2008 utilising the delivery slots that First Choice had secured.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9712 times:

Has to be re-written: "TUI confirms B787 order", reported this way in the German financial press (FTD). They clearly refer to TUI´s December order for these 11 frames in the article.


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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6485 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9630 times:

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 5):
Has to be re-written: "TUI confirms B787 order", reported this way in the German financial press (FTD). They clearly refer to TUI´s December order for these 11 frames in the article.

Got a link?



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User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9598 times:

Only German so far:

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Der Reise- und Schifffahrtskonzern TUI bekräftigt seine zwei Säulen-Strategie und ordert acht neue Containerschiffe sowie elf Boeing 787 Dreamliner. Mit dieser Konkretisierung der Flugzeug-Order vom Dezember und der Bestellung von zwölf der Jets durch den Fusionspartner First Choice verfüge der künftige Touristik-Riese TUI Travel über "eine der größten 787-Flotten mit den frühestens Lieferterminen in Europa", sagte TUI-Chef Michael Frenzel am Mittwoch bei der Hauptversammlung des Konzerns in Hannover. Die Bestellung ohne Angabe des Flugzeug-Typs hatte TUI bereits im Dezember bekannt gegeben. Die Jets sollen zwischen 2010 und 2013 ausgeliefert werden.

Direct translation:

Travel and shipping group Tui confirms its two-tier strategy and orders 8 new container vessels and 11 Boeing 787 Dreamliner. With the detailing of this plane order from December and together with its merger partner First Choice TuiTravel will have one of the larges B787 fleets in Europe with earliest delivery dates said TUI CEO Michael Frenzel on Wednesday. The plane order had been announced by Tui in December already, however without detailling the types ordered. The jets are targeted for delivery between 2010 and 2013.

EDIT:

an here we have it now in English:

Quote:
He also said 11 Boeing (nyse: BA - news - people ) 787 Dreamliners from a previously announced order and 12 jets ordered by merger partner First Choice Holidays will create 'one of the biggest 787 fleets with the earliest delivery dates in Europe.'

TUI in December said it had outstanding orders for 65 Boeing aircraft, including 24 previously ordered planes, with a value of more than 3 bln eur.

http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/afx/2007/05/16/afx3726132.html

[Edited 2007-05-16 14:30:21]


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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9325 times:

If I recall correctly the press release last year was that TUI has ordered short and longhaul aircraft from Boeing mostly 737s. So this is infact a confirmation of that order. I really was hoping for TUI to order the 787 too bad that the aircraft will carry that ugly yellow paint scheme and not the Hapag Lloyd colors.


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User currently offlineFraport From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9274 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 8):
too bad that the aircraft will carry that ugly yellow paint scheme and not the Hapag Lloyd colors.

Well, that's a matter of taste. I never liked this blue livery, especially in combination with a blue sky. But wouldn't a 787 in the good old HLX taxi livery look damn sexy?  Wink


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9226 times:

Quoting Fraport (Reply 9):
Well, that's a matter of taste. I never liked this blue livery, especially in combination with a blue sky. But wouldn't a 787 in the good old HLX taxi livery look damn sexy? Wink

I was referring to the old HF color scheme not that baby blue one....  Smile
Anyway a German forum reports the following:

The December order of TUI included 737-700, -800 and 787-9. TUI has the option to change some of the 737s on order into -900ERs.



It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5762 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9174 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 10):
The December order of TUI included 737-700, -800 and 787-9. TUI has the option to change some of the 737s on order into -900ERs.

So this is not the 11 x 787 UFO order from mid-September?

[Edited 2007-05-16 15:47:18]


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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9089 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 11):
o this is not the 11 x 787 UFO order from mid-September?

Was the order placed in September ? Sorry I must have mixed that up somehow. But yes it is part of the previous order.

P.S.
No pictures, yet ??



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9000 times:
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Quoting Columba (Reply 12):
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 11):
o this is not the 11 x 787 UFO order from mid-September?

Was the order placed in September ? Sorry I must have mixed that up somehow. But yes it is part of the previous order.

To clarify, it is the order from September 2006......

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 4):
This order brings the total order backlog of TUI with Boeing to a total of 65 aircraft, some of which were previously recorded on Boeing's Orders and Deliveries website as unidentified.

.....which in turn was part of the announcement made on December 15, 2006.

Refer to reply #4 for details

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5762 posts, RR: 47
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8574 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 12):
Was the order placed in September ? Sorry I must have mixed that up somehow. But yes it is part of the previous order.

Yeah I was confused because you said the 787 model is the -9 and according to Boeing's web site the order is for the -8.



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8408 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 14):
Yeah I was confused because you said the 787 model is the -9 and according to Boeing's web site the order is for the -8.

I have not heard from a official source yet whether it is a -8 or -9. The -9 information is from a very relieble source in a German forum. Former a.net member Johnny who was the one who also predicted the 747-8 order from LH last year.
But since HLF used A310s as their long haul aircraft the 787-8 seems to be the more logical choice.



It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineN1786b From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 560 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8064 times:

Confirmed as -8s and also 50 737 UFOs now have a name next to them.

Press Release:

Boeing Announces Contracts for 11 787 Dreamliners and 50 Next-Generation 737s with TUI Group
Wednesday May 16, 11:10 am ET

SEATTLE, May 16 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA - News) today announced orders for 11 787-8 Dreamliners and 50 Next-Generation 737s with TUI Group, Europe's largest integrated-tourism company. The orders were previously recorded on Boeing's Orders and Deliveries Web site as unidentified. The value of the orders is approximately $4.7 billion at list prices. Two of the airplanes have since been delivered and identified.

New-technology benefits such as lightweight composites and innovative engine technology will allow TUI Group airlines to implement ongoing efficiency improvements.

"The 787's unprecedented environmental performance will make it an incredibly valuable asset as we look to reduce our carbon output," said Dr. Michael Frenzel, chairman of the TUI AG board. "The 787 will offer a 20 percent reduction in emissions and has a 60 percent smaller noise footprint for our airport communities. It is the green airplane we need for greener operations."

TUI Group has not announced an engine supplier for its 787s.

TUI Group plans to put the airplanes into service with Arkefly in The Netherlands, Belgium-based Jetairfly, Thomsonfly of the United Kingdom, Germany-based TUIfly and the Scandinavian operator TUIfly Nordic. All TUI Group airlines will leverage the 787's breakthrough economics, passenger appeal and environmental efficiency to continue and expand services within Europe and to Asia and North America.

The Next-Generation 737s will be operated on short- and medium-haul routes by all TUI airlines.

All of the 737s will be fitted with advanced Blended Winglets, which reduce aerodynamic drag, thereby increasing fuel efficiency and range while reducing carbon emissions and takeoff noise.

"Boeing is extremely proud of the partnership that exists with the TUI Group," said Marlin Dailey, vice president of Sales for Europe, Russia and Central Asia, Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "As a company that operates throughout Europe, TUI will capture significant benefits by operating a common fleet of Next-Generation 737s and 787s across the group. The ability to move aircraft from one fleet to another to satisfy changing demands will allow TUI to be extremely nimble and flexible -- a must in today's highly competitive environment. TUI can also reap the benefits of a mixed fleet flying both the 737 and the 787."

To assist TUI, Boeing is working to create a training program that will allow pilots to transition easily from one airplane type to another, so that cross-training costs are minimized and fleet efficiency is maximized.

The selection of the Next-Generation 737 reflects the airplane's great success with TUI Group airlines.

"TUI's order is a reaffirmation of the value that airlines derive from the 737's exceptional economics, technology, reliability and environmental performance," Dailey said.

The Boeing 787 Dreamliner provides passengers with a better flying experience and operators with more efficient commercial jetliners. Using 20 percent less fuel per passenger than similarly sized airplanes, the 787 is designed for the environment with lower emissions and quieter takeoffs and landings. Inside the airplane, passengers will find cleaner air, bigger windows, more stowage space and improved lighting.

Forty-four customers worldwide have placed 567 orders for the 787 since its launch in April 2004, making the Dreamliner the world's fastest-selling commercial airplane. The 787 enters service in 2008.

The digitally designed Next-Generation 737 is the most technologically advanced airplane in the single-aisle market. With a bigger wing and more powerful engines, the 737 can fly higher, faster and farther than previous models and its competitor.

As of April 30, Boeing had received orders for more than 3,800 Next- Generation 737s, and has unfilled orders exceeding 1,500 airplanes, worth over $100 billion at current list prices.


- n1786b


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7803 times:

Quoting N1786b (Reply 16):
Confirmed as -8s and also 50 737 UFOs now have a name next to them.

Press Release

Still no picture ?



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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7661 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 17):
Still no picture ?

http://boeingmedia.com/imageDetail.cfm?id=14890&clr=release


Regards,

Hamlet69  profile 


BTW - very curious on how they are going to spread 11 aircraft among 5 airlines. . .



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7460 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 18):
http://boeingmedia.com/imageDetail.cfm?id=14890&clr=release


Regards,


Thanks !!

[Edited 2007-05-16 18:58:44]


It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineAminobwana From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7460 times:

The intention to buy approx. 60 Boeing frames, without specifying which models, were already
announced end 2006 and acknowledges on Boeing news

As the WSJ article is already readable by suscribers, here i add the one by Yahoo.

[url]Boeing Announces Contracts for 11 787 Dreamliners and 50 Next-Generation 737s with TUI Group
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070516/sfw023.html?.v=94[/url]

aminobwana


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5762 posts, RR: 47
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7353 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 18):
BTW - very curious on how they are going to spread 11 aircraft among 5 airlines. . .

Well if the merger with FCA happens then it'll be 23 airplanes across 6 airlines!



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7302 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 18):
BTW - very curious on how they are going to spread 11 aircraft among 5 airlines. . .

Indeed, an intersting question but if I understand it correctly the Boeing article refers to all the aircraft including the 737s. The yahoo article on the other hand is saying that the 787 is planed to be put into service with Arkefly in The Netherlands, Belgium-based Jetairfly, Thomsonfly of the United Kingdom, Germany-based TUIfly and the Scandinavian operator TUIfly Nordic and is refering to the 737s seperatly.



It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9823 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5142 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 2):
So I suppose these birds are going to Thomsonfly, TUIfly Nordic, Arkefly and maybe Corsairfly?



Quoting N1786b (Reply 16):
TUI Group plans to put the airplanes into service with Arkefly in The Netherlands, Belgium-based Jetairfly, Thomsonfly of the United Kingdom, Germany-based TUIfly and the Scandinavian operator TUIfly Nordic.

Well, I really hope Arkefly will indeed receive the 787 as well and sooner rather than later. I would love to see the 787 land here in CUR!!!!! Besides the 767's Arkefly currently operate are not the best 767's unfortunately.

If anyone can confirm Arkefly will indeed receive a few 787's and when they will receive their first 787 please let me know via this forum or send me a private message or email.

Regards,

A388


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3684 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 23):
If anyone can confirm Arkefly will indeed receive a few 787's and when they will receive their first 787 please let me know via this forum or send me a private message or email.

I think you don't need another confirmation that Arkefly will receive a 787 as it already been said in the press release. The question is just when and how many of the 11 they get ? Same with the other airlines of the TUI group.

Interesting question is how TUI will deal with the crews. Since they will own 11 Boeing 787s which will be operated by 5 different airlines will these 787s be flown by a common pool of pilots ?



It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
25 2wingtips : This is just a formal announcement of what has been known to many for several months. First Choice/TUI mentioned on several occasions that the combine
26 Post contains images A388 : I must have overlooked that part in the press release. I think Arkefly will be one of the last airlines to get the 787 as they have a very small flee
27 Columba : Tuifly in Germany has no longhaul aircraft at all at the moment so that could either mean they are one of the first or the last to get their aircraft
28 Post contains images A388 : Indeed. I would like to know how the TUI Group prioritizes all the member airlines. Which airline will receive the 787 first? If someone working for
29 Post contains images StationManager : As already said, they are UFO's. Anyway is supossed all airlines of TUI will be the same whole company in the future, isnt it?
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