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LH 744 With 410 Pax?  
User currently offlineEl Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7601 times:

Hi,

A friend of mine who's working at TLV claims that LH comes to TLV with a 744 that sometimes carries 410 pax on board.

When I searched through LH website I've found that LH has 3 kind of configurations on its 744s:

16F / 52C / 310Y = 378 pax
16F / 62C / 274Y = 352 pax
16F / 80C / 234Y = 330 pax

Am I missing something here???? With what configuration LH comes to TLV???

Mike

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User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1793 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7601 times:

I can't speak for LH but 410 seems like a possible number.

JAL on their FCO or YVR route fly a B744 with 449 people. That's quite a high density.



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7593 times:

I believe LH used to have 410 seat configuration, prior to the fitting of the new C seats last year.

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7565 times:

Judging from the fact that TLV is highly a successful and a high demand route for LH (or else they wouldn't have a second frequency with an A346), I wouldn't be surprised if they sent their highest density 747s, even at the expense of premium capacity.

User currently onlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1680 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7465 times:

I know we send over the 744 with the old C-class but the total amount of seats I do not know.

Why does LH not start operating MUC-TLV aswell? 'The flights ex FRA seem to be packed every day!



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User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9312 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7437 times:

They don't have a special seat configuration for TLV. That's the normal 747 rotation and the plane serves other destinations as well, same as the 346. Even with the old C class, the 747 never had 410 seats

Rumour has it that LH was politely asked by the Israeli Government to restrict it's capacity, that's why they do not serve MUC-TLV.



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User currently offlineSailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7385 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 5):
Rumour has it that LH was politely asked by the Israeli Government to restrict it's capacity, that's why they do not serve MUC-TLV.

From what I've heard, that's some VERY British understatement  Smile

SailorOrion


User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7330 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 5):
Rumour has it that LH was politely asked by the Israeli Government to restrict it's capacity, that's why they do not serve MUC-TLV.

'politely' could be the rumor, but other than that, this is not a rumor at all. due to traffic right issues, LH had to leave the MUC-TLV market and stick with two dailies ex FRA.



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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7305 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 5):
Even with the old C class, the 747 never had 410 seats

What was the capacity of the old 742's before they were retired ? I am under the impression that they had a bigger capacity than the 744's (more Y, less C and/or F) and that's why they were employed to MIA.
-HT



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User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9312 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7191 times:

Quoting SailorOrion (Reply 6):
From what I've heard, that's some VERY British understatement

was intended as such

Quoting HT (Reply 8):

What was the capacity of the old 742's before they were retired ?

in 2000, FI., the yellow booklet shows under "742" F 8 C 51 M 330 ttl 389



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8306 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6972 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 9):
in 2000, FI., the yellow booklet shows under "742" F 8 C 51 M 330 ttl 389

Plus crew and that should approach the 410 number.


User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9312 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6853 times:

I traded with bazaris many times. ElAl001 said "410pax" and that does not include crew.

Deadheading crew are occupying pax seats.



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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6785 times:

Did all 744's receive the new Business class by now?

User currently offlineUAL4ever From Israel, joined Aug 2005, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6769 times:

I am flying ORD-FRA-TLV in mid June and I am flying Business class. The FRA-TLV leg on LH is on a 744 and I have been informed that it is with the new business class. According to seatguru this plane is configured to hold 330 pax. It is configured 16F 80C 234Y.

User currently offlineSailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6689 times:

All 747-400s do have the new C class meanwhile (thus named 74P). Standard configuration is 16/80/234, however LH is able to do QCs (Quick changes, they take 3 hours afaik) to adjust the number of C and M seats according to demand...

SailorOrion


User currently offlineEl Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6453 times:

SailorOrion,

It took so many years for LH to convert its 744s and now you are saying that they can switch from C/cl seats to Y/cl seats in just 3 hours?

Can you specify a bit on that?

Do you have any kind of source to that available?

Thanks


User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9312 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5508 times:

LH Technik can change the seating from old C to new C within that time frame, inlduing taking out a section of Y class. They do that during regular stops, aircraft coming in from somewhere, as soon as pax are left they start with the work and the machine is ready to go after about 3 hrs.

However AFAIK the a/c stays in that configuration. They do not change "according to booking situation".

.



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User currently offlineTobi3334 From Germany, joined Sep 2004, 146 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5374 times:

According to a tv-reportage it seems to be quite common for LH to switch seats during turnarounds.
They said that it is worth the money and the time if you can add more C pax instead of Y pax.
But in the TLV case it seems to be the other way around.


User currently offlineLp0815 From Singapore, joined Oct 2005, 219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2846 times:

There are 3 seating-versions of the 744 with the new business class:

16/52/310
16/80/234
16/66/270

744 with the old business class came in 3 different seating configurations:

16/64/310
16/78/274
16/99/234

LH 686/687 FRA-TLV-FRA is currently served with a configuration 16/52/310 (so is the case for 18MAY, 20MAY, 21MAY)
However, occasionally (according to demand) a different version is deployed on the route (for instance, 19MAY 16/80/234).

LH 690/691 is served with A346, configuration is 66/279.

Cheers (ve shabat shalom),
Lp0815



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User currently offlineSailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

Quoting El Al 001 (Reply 15):
Can you specify a bit on that?

Do you have any kind of source to that available?


From what I know of LH personell, it takes 3 hours to convert the 74P from one configuration to another, assuming the plane is in FRA. LH also has Quick-Change options on the 346s, but in FRA only. No QCs can be done in MUC

SailorOrion


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