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CO Moves To Term A At BOS  
User currently offlineBAGoldEx From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 317 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3547 times:

Self explanatory, 6 gates, $1.8 million in relocation assistance from MassPort. Nothing is said about the presence of a President's Club however.

http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2007/05/continental_mov.html

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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3511 times:

And so the circle closes  Silly , with CO back in Terminal A. Of course, Massport sure is giving quite a nice incentive to move there.

User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3420 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3464 times:

Doesn't this free up more room for the lower cost carriers? I thought jetBlue had their gates near CO's. I guess the palace that DL built will have more tenants after all. Does anybody know how the underwiritng for the bonds on terminal A were modified after Massport let DL off the hook?

User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4717 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3448 times:

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 2):
Doesn't this free up more room for the lower cost carriers? I thought jetBlue had their gates near CO's. I guess the palace that DL built will have more tenants after all. Does anybody know how the underwiritng for the bonds on terminal A were modified after Massport let DL off the hook?

Im guessing airtran would move from their dumpy location in Tern C/D/E. isolated gates with no retail or concessions.



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3425 times:

Quoting BAGoldEx (Thread starter):
$1.8 million in relocation assistance from MassPort

Why do they need so much to relocate? Or is this just an incentive?


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4717 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3379 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 4):
Why do they need so much to relocate? Or is this just an incentive?

My guess is some of that is the cost to physically move, and a good chunk of that is rent credits for the difference in lease costs for a certain period of time.



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User currently offlineBAGoldEx From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3349 times:

How are CO's current quarters in C airside? I haven't been over there in years.

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3336 times:

Wouldn't surprise me if the main terminal club became a President's Club - looks like the only Delta operations that will remain in the main terminal are the Shuttle (which a CRC isn't a big deal since you can show up 20 minutes before departure and make the plane no problem), and some Connection flights, not to mention members can use the PC (which in my experience is a plus, since President's Clubs are far superior to Crown Rooms).

My questions are the following now though:
-Article says 6 gates in the main terminal. I'm assuming A4, A5, A6, A7 and A8 are all Continental's (these are all mainline gates). Doesn't make it clear though if all the gates are going to be mainline jet type, or if some are going to be out of the A9-A12 commuter gates, since it said that Massport had gained control of 3 of the 7 parking spots that make up A9-A12. CO has about 7-9 weekday Beechcraft departures (SLK, PLB, RUT, BTV, HPN) that I could see using one of these gates, since there is only one Beech on the ground at a time, and these gates seem to be a good fit for the Beechs rather than using a jetway-equipped gate. The ERJs that appear on the weekends I see using mainline gates, since CO uses jetways on these quite a bit, but not the Beeches.


User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3298 times:

Is the one gate left for massport to sublease a mainline or express gate?

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 3):
Im guessing airtran would move from their dumpy location in Tern C/D/E. isolated gates with no retail or concessions.

Not True. D/E are connected airside so pax can use the E food court/concessions.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3241 times:

Quoting BAGoldEx (Thread starter):
Self explanatory, 6 gates,

Isnt 6 gates a lot for CO's BOS operation: CLE, IAH, EWR (even with almost hourly servcie) operations and some commuter flights really dont require 6 gates? How many gates does CO have now at BOS?

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 4):
Why do they need so much to relocate? Or is this just an incentive?

My guess is that CO really was not very interested in moving (I think that CO recently updated their facilities at Logan) and $1.8 was the amount that CO required to convince them to move over to A. CO got a good deal.

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 7):
Wouldn't surprise me if the main terminal club became a President's Club

My guess is that the club at Logan Term A could evolve into a joint SkyTeam Club for both CO and DL members.

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 7):
looks like the only Delta operations that will remain in the main terminal are the Shuttle (which a CRC isn't a big deal since you can show up 20 minutes before departure and make the plane no problem), and some Connection flights, not to mention members can use the PC (which in my experience is a plus, since President's Clubs are far superior to Crown Rooms).

Some Delta supports here may disagree with you......some seem to think that DL will expand operations at BOS in the future, including some overseas flights, who knows? As for Crown Room vs Presidents Club, its a matter of taste, but both are rather basic and cant compare to what some European, Asian and Australian airlines offer. How many package of crakers and cheese can one eat at a Presidents Club?? (and I am a CO guy!)


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 9):
How many gates does CO have now at BOS?

As the article states, 5 gates  Wink . Of course, one could suspect that at least one of the gates might be one of the RJ gates of Delta's. Could make sense to have the B1900s operate out of the RJ gates closest to Terminal B (not sure of the gate number), akin to how DL operates the GQ Beeches out of A1, due to lack of manuverability space for mainline planes. Sure would be a waste of space for CO to use a mainline gate for the props.


User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3196 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 9):
Isnt 6 gates a lot for CO's BOS operation: CLE, IAH, EWR (even with almost hourly servcie) operations and some commuter flights really dont require 6 gates? How many gates does CO have now at BOS?

CO has 5 gates now for about 30 daily flights.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3178 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 10):
As the article states, 5 gates

Didnt see it.....thanks.

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 11):
CO has 5 gates now for about 30 daily flights.

Including the commuter services.


Seems like a lot of space to me.....and, from what I hear, CO has no major expansion plans for BOS aside from possible frequency increases on BOS-CLE and CO grows its CLE hub in the future, so, whats up?

[Edited 2007-05-17 22:11:28]

User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4717 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3178 times:

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 8):
Not True. D/E are connected airside so pax can use the E food court/concessions.

I know they are all conencted, but the set up still sucks. I had checked in then had to wind through come labyrinth of halways to get to our Term E gate, hardly convenient by any means.... Even once I got to term E, concessions were limited in the gate area for air tran.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3131 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 9):
Some Delta supports here may disagree with you......some seem to think that DL will expand operations at BOS in the future, including some overseas flights, who knows? As for Crown Room vs Presidents Club, its a matter of taste, but both are rather basic and cant compare to what some European, Asian and Australian airlines offer. How many package of crakers and cheese can one eat at a Presidents Club?? (and I am a CO guy!)

I'm not doubting that there will be more possible DL expansion out of BOS; just not out of the main terminal though. They'll most likely have 6 or so RJ parking places plus the 2 Shuttle gates left when everything is said and done, while they'll have 10 mainline gates over at the satellite. I would think some DL Connection flights will be moved over to the satellite, especially since now A7 and A8 are often used by Delta Connection flights, and these planes will have to park somewhere.

As for PC vs CRCs, while my PC visits have been few, I was really impressed with the one in CLE last week. Bagels and English muffins in the morning were a great way to stave off my hunger, since I hadn't eaten for about 6 hours (had breakfast at 4 a.m., then was in the PC at 10 a.m.) - never seen this at a domestic CRC. But yeah, I've been in some international lounges and those are far superior to the CRCs, WorldClubs, PCs, US Airways Clubs, etc. that I've been to.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3053 times:

This is good news as it will improve the experience for CO travelers to/from BOS, now how about CO moving into DL's former airside 4 gates 90-97 at Orlando International. That would be sweet!


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3034 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 15):
This is good news as it will improve the experience for CO travelers to/from BOS, now how about CO moving into DL's former airside 4 gates 90-97 at Orlando International. That would be sweet!

I remember reading somewhere that AirTran would be moving into those gates since WN and B6 will effectively be taking over Airside 2. A little disappointing for CO (and NW) travelers; that could have been quite nice to have SkyTeam all over in one place.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3023 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 16):
that could have been quite nice to have SkyTeam all over in one place.

CO could share the CRC with DL, move FL to CO's gates at Airside One.



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6826 posts, RR: 32
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2883 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 3):
Im guessing airtran would move from their dumpy location in Tern C/D/E. isolated gates with no retail or concessions.

I'm fairly certain that any gates which might be freed up for AirTran would be the three gates running along the walkway to the control tower and Terminal B -- Gates C40-42 -- and the concessions beyond security there are non-existent. JetBlue has dibs on the two gates in the former Delta pier of Terminal C as part of their long-term agreement to lease 11 gates.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 9):
My guess is that CO really was not very interested in moving (I think that CO recently updated their facilities at Logan) and $1.8 was the amount that CO required to convince them to move over to A. CO got a good deal.

I think that's basically the long and short of it as well. CO wanted an inducement to move to the higher-cost facility -- even though Terminal A is by far the nicest terminal at Logan. I think the only significant change they made to the facilities was in taking over Gates C40-42 from Delta once Delta moved into the new Terminal A; they had already been using C25 and C27. I won't be sorry to see CO moving out of Terminal C; Gate C25 is one of the worst setups I've ever seen, and they run practically all the IAH flights to and from C25.

Quoting BAGoldEx (Reply 6):
How are CO's current quarters in C airside? I haven't been over there in years.

Crummy...or basically normal for Logan.

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 7):
Article says 6 gates in the main terminal. I'm assuming A4, A5, A6, A7 and A8 are all Continental's (these are all mainline gates). Doesn't make it clear though if all the gates are going to be mainline jet type, or if some are going to be out of the A9-A12 commuter gates

Well, the article says that Massport will still have one gate left to lease of the six Delta gave up, so I'd assume that CO has taken five mainline gates and one regional position.


User currently offlineInTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2876 times:

You are correct, B6 is taking over the CO gates on their airside that CO has given up. They are also (or have already) taken over the Midwest gate.

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2835 times:

Also, forgot to ask this earlier. It mentions that there might be room for one more carrier in A. If I'm not mistaken, Midwest is using one of the gates marked for JetBlue, and I believe they are a one-gate operation. Any chance Midwest moves into these gates, or I'm thinking they could easily just move to C40-42 or B35/36 (the former HP gates) if they didn't want to pay the rent in A.

User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3308 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

So with CO taking these gates, is there still room for NW to join DL and CO in the A terminal?

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 2797 times:

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 21):
So with CO taking these gates, is there still room for NW to join DL and CO in the A terminal?

I doubt it, unless DL curtails their own operation plans to accomodate NWA.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 21):
So with CO taking these gates, is there still room for NW to join DL and CO in the A terminal?

Nope. NW ideally needs four gates to run a full operation, and with this, the main terminal will be Continental, DL Shuttle and some DL Connection. I'd expect the current 5 DL mainline gates on the satellite will remain the same, with about 2 of those gates being DL Connection (especially if CO takes over one regional parking position for their Beechs), and one for additional mainline flights, as this summer, DL will have around 33 mainline/EMB-170 flights (the EMB-170s need the mainline gate), so 6 gates for this would be expected, especially for the first two morning banks, when there are mainlines to JFK, ATL, CVG and SLC from 0600-0645, then LAX, ATL and TPA from 0700-0800, and from 0800-0900 a BDA, ATL, RSW, MCO, PBI, so it gets relatively busy for only five gates during this time period, so a 6th mainline gate is pretty necessary. Then again, at from 1645-1815, there are mainliners to ATL, CVG, SLC, LAX, JFK and MCO, so it gets busy again. With a need for six mainline gates, plus two Connection gates there, there would only be two real gates available for use out there, which is nowhere near enough for NW to run a full operation. Not to mention that NW has 2x AMS flights this summer, and I'm sure they don't want to taxi all the way around BOS after dropping pax off over at E.


User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2614 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

The article states CO will be taking over A5-8, 11, and 12A. This will only leave one unused mainline gate which they say rules out a move by NW. The article also mentions JetBlue will take over an undetermined number of the former CO gates while AirTran is likely to take over an undetermined number of the former AC gates.

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