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Construction Of Chinese A320 Line Has Begun!  
User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3148 times:

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Construction has started on the Airbus A320 Family Final Assembly Line (FAL) in Tianjin, following recent approval by the State Council of the Feasibility Study Report for the project. A formal ceremony was held on site in the Tianjin Binhai New Coastal District, where the FAL is to be located, in the presence of Mr. Tang Jiaxuan, State Councillor and Fabrice Brégier Airbus Chief Operating Officer.

http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/ne...airbus-a320-family-falchina/281770

They will start assembling aircraft in August next year. I know the intended output is 4 aircraft per month by 2011, but does anybody know what the maximum capacity of this line is?

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User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1858 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3113 times:

That is good news! Will the Chinese A320 be less expensive than the European A320? And will this production plant signal an increase in A320 order in Asia? Will it be 100% identical in specification/effienciency/saftey as the European A320?

 Smile



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3100 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 1):
That is good news! Will the Chinese A320 be less expensive than the European A320?

It will produce them exclusivly for the Chinese market AFAIK.


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9113 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2893 times:

Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):

They will start assembling aircraft in August next year. I know the intended output is 4 aircraft per month by 2011, but does anybody know what the maximum capacity of this line is?

I have been hearing privately that 10 a month would be nice.



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User currently offlineNcelhr From Vatican City, joined Jul 2006, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2846 times:

Airbus is ramping up production of the A32x in all of their factories because of an increasing backlog. That aircraft type is a workhorse for many LCCs and there is evidence that there will be more Chinese orders on the way once the line opens in China.
The plane is indeed identical.


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3071 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

Is this only for the A320 or the full A320 family?

Quoting EI321 (Reply 2):
It will produce them exclusivly for the Chinese market AFAIK

Do the chinese carriers alone have orders to fill 4 a month and up to 10 a month? Would think other Asian carriers (such as Air Asia) would get their A320's here as well.

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User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2677 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 1):
Will it be 100% identical in specification/effienciency/saftey as the European A320?

It should be the same. The Chinese also built MD-80's under license from McDonnell Douglas and I never heard of any problems unique to those A/C. If there were any problems, please let me know.


User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3413 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2666 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 1):
And will this production plant signal an increase in A320 order in Asia

The 200 unit A320 order was the "payment" for the line.

going to get interesting to see if any of the airlines actualy take these frames or not.


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12573 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2580 times:
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Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 7):
The 200 unit A320 order was the "payment" for the line.

Do you mean the 2 x 150 unit orders? smile 

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 7):
going to get interesting to see if any of the airlines actualy take these frames or not.

So what do you think China will do with a factory and a bunch of new A320s? confused 



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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3395 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2569 times:

Quoting Bohica (Reply 6):
Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 1):
Will it be 100% identical in specification/effienciency/saftey as the European A320?

It should be the same. The Chinese also built MD-80's under license from McDonnell Douglas and I never heard of any problems unique to those A/C. If there were any problems, please let me know

From what I understand this will be a FAL only so the fuselage, wings, VTP etc will all come from the sale factories and will be flown or shipped to China to be put together. One thing that interests me is whether they will need some more Belugas as they'd better get on with getting those ordered if the first parts will be required in China in just over a years time.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2502 times:

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 7):
Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 1):
And will this production plant signal an increase in A320 order in Asia

The 200 unit A320 order was the "payment" for the line.

Yeah  Yeah sure , then were was the recent large 737/787/A330 orders payment for?


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6489 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2434 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 1):
That is good news! Will the Chinese A320 be less expensive than the European A320?

Whether Sino-A320s cost more or less is not the primary point. They may very well make up enough in labor costs to offset the higher transportation costs and the cost of setting up the line, but this is really about one thing: offsets.



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User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

I can't wait for China to reverse engineer the A320s. A silly and ill-thought out move on Airbus part. With all due respect for Airbus' executive staff, they are morons for not considering the precedent set in China for foreign products being built in China. The MD-90s have been reverse engineered and turned into that new Chinese regional jet, China has reverse engineered 707s (though they were purchased and brought to China), F16s (Same), automobiles, etc..

User currently offlineContnlEliteCMH From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1460 posts, RR: 44
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2162 times:

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 12):
I can't wait for China to reverse engineer the A320s. A silly and ill-thought out move on Airbus part. With all due respect for Airbus' executive staff, they are morons for not considering the precedent set in China for foreign products being built in China. The MD-90s have been reverse engineered and turned into that new Chinese regional jet, China has reverse engineered 707s (though they were purchased and brought to China), F16s (Same), automobiles, etc..

The question is whether or not they can reverse engineer the avionics -- and buy engines.



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 12):
I can't wait for China to reverse engineer the A320s.

Apparently they already have. Have'nt you heard of the A320 delivered to China recently that went AWOL? You dont have to build a factory for that to happen.

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 12):
they are morons for not considering the precedent set in China for foreign products being built in China.

Are airbus the first western company that have decided to produce products in China? MDD did the same.

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 12):
China has reverse engineered 707s (though they were purchased and brought to China), F16s (Same), automobiles, etc..

Which reflects on my initial point, if has alreay happened, assembly line or not.


User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2104 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 14):

I'm not saying that you need a factory to reverse engineer. A factory just makes it far easier, as it comes with the workers, equipment and designs. All you have to do is put your stamp on it and tweak it as needed.


User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3662 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1985 times:

Another great industrial blunder by Airbus. Reverse engineering is one thing, handing them the knowledge on how to run an assembly line is quite another- all for the sake of a few sales.

User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12573 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1888 times:
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Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 12):
I can't wait for China to reverse engineer the A320s.

Why would they want to reverse engineer a plane based on mid-80s technology? They've had A320s and 737s for years. If they wanted to reverse engineer them they've had plenty of time to do it.

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 12):
A silly and ill-thought out move on Airbus part. With all due respect for Airbus' executive staff, they are morons

With due respect to a 16-20 International Relations/International Business Major, what deep experiences do you have that gives you the right to call them morons? sarcastic 

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 16):
Reverse engineering is one thing, handing them the knowledge on how to run an assembly line is quite another- all for the sake of a few sales.

I think you'll find that MD and Embraer beat Airbus to the punch there. You think the Chinese don't know how to run an assembly line? They've been building planes for a long time.



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User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1885 times:

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 12):
I can't wait for China to reverse engineer the A320s.

I think by the time the reverse engineering of the A320 is starting to bear fruits, the Y1 orders will already be down the pipeline.

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 16):
Reverse engineering is one thing, handing them the knowledge on how to run an assembly line is quite another

As if anything anything can stop this.
On the other hand the chinese already know how to run assembly lines, both military and transporation.


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 2):

It will produce them exclusively for the Chinese market AFAIK.

Correct.

Quoting Zeke (Reply 3):
I have been hearing privately that 10 a month would be nice.

Interesting. First time I have heard about this possibility.

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 7):
The 200 unit A320 order was the "payment" for the line.

Make that 300 units.

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 7):
going to get interesting to see if any of the airlines actually take these frames or not.

Not only do I think that they will take them all, but they will be back for many more.  Wink

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 12):
I can't wait for China to reverse engineer the A320s. A silly and ill-thought out move on Airbus part. With all due respect for Airbus' executive staff, they are morons for not considering the precedent set in China for foreign products being built in China. The MD-90s have been reverse engineered and turned into that new Chinese regional jet, China has reverse engineered 707s (though they were purchased and brought to China), F16s (Same), automobiles, etc..

The A320 has been available since 1988. That is nearly 20 years. Why only start now?

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 17):
Why would they want to reverse engineer a plane based on mid-80s technology? They've had A320s and 737s for years. If they wanted to reverse engineer them they've had plenty of time to do it.

Correct.

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Wings



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