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User currently offlinePolaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1168 posts, RR: 1
Posted (15 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5189 times:

Air Canada media release issued December 7th.

Air Canada re-introduces non-stop summer service between Edmonton and London-Heathrow

EDMONTON, Dec. 7 /CNW/ - Effective June 1, 2001, Air Canada will commence
five times weekly non-stop summer service between Edmonton and London-
Heathrow. Flights on the route will be operated with wide body 205-seat Boeing
767-300 aircraft featuring the airline's acclaimed Executive First and
Hospitality service. This summer service will be offered until September 30,
"We are delighted to be back in Edmonton to re-introduce this summer
service, offering customers the most non-stop flights between Edmonton and
Europe," said Doug Port, Senior Vice President, Corporate Affairs and
Government Relations, on a visit to Edmonton today for the inauguration of the
new Edmonton South Terminal. "With this new international service, we are
responding to the growing customer demand for non-stop service between Alberta
and the U.K. during the summer peak. The re-introduction of this route is also
part of our ongoing commitment to developing air transportation in Edmonton
and the province of Alberta."
"This service represents a critical building block towards connecting
Edmonton to Europe on a year-round basis. It is now up to the community to
prove that we can support such a service," said G. Scott Clements, President
and Chief Executive Officer of Edmonton Airports.
"This new non-stop flight connecting Edmonton and London helps satisfy
our community's vision for optimal air service," said Jim Edwards, President
and Chief Executive Officer of Economic Development Edmonton (EDE). "This
vital link to Europe opens the door to a wealth of new opportunities in global
markets for businesses in our region while greatly enhancing our ability to
attract new companies and tourists. This flight represents our ticket to
global competitiveness!"
Tickets are available for sale immediately. To promote the new service,
Air Canada is offering a special introductory round trip fare of $889 for
travel between June 1 and June 21, 2001, for sale until January 31, 2001. In
addition, the airline will offer double Aeroplan miles when travelling round
trip for the first time on the route between June 1 and June 30, 2001.
Air Canada flight AC3088 will leave Edmonton at 10:00 p.m. and will
arrive in London-Heathrow at 1:20 p.m. the next day. From London, flight
AC3089 will depart at 3:05 p.m. and will arrive in Edmonton at 4:55 p.m. the
same day, with the exception of Tuesday, when flight AC3089 will leave London
at 5:05 p.m. and arrive in Edmonton at 6:55 p.m. Air Canada's schedule has
been designed to ensure the best possible choice of connecting flights between
London-Heathrow and over 20 European destinations with Star Alliance partners
British Midland, SAS and Lufthansa.
With the introduction of the new service, Air Canada and Canadian
Airlines will offer up to 15 non-stop flights per day between Canada and the
U.K. during summer 2001.

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User currently offlineAC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (15 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4970 times:

Darn Polaris, you beat me to posting this, I was just about to do it...  

Glad to see YEG-LHR returning, I'm actually a bit surprised but quite happy to see this, Edmonton Airports had been talking about it for so many years...

...and the new YEG southeastern terminal expansion opens Saturday...

...now if they could just get AA up there...

User currently offlinePolaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1168 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (15 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4963 times:

Sorry...didn't mean to steal your thunder!! I know there is much interest in the Edmonton area about expansion of services from that airport!

User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2461 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (15 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4935 times:

Well, well, what do you know? I know I've been skeptical about this, but this is the nicest thing to come along for YEG in years!

But remember the new YEG-LHR service is summer only. Oh well, it's far better than nothing - or having to go through YYZ or YYC all the time. Also, whether the new service is permanent or will get axed depends on the load factors on the YEG-LHR and return. Hopefully, with CP no longer on the competitive scene and Edmonton's metropolitan area having grown a bit in population and economy, the service will continue.

I see that 767-300ERs will be the equipment of choice by AC, but 767-200ERs could also be used, if the load factor is not as high as expected.

User currently offlineThomacf From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (15 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4928 times:

Does Edmonton have more than one airport with commercial service? Someone said "Edmonton Airports".

User currently offlineFlyboy767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (15 years 5 months 2 days ago) and read 4918 times:

Edmonton does have two airports technically...the municipal airport is located on the north end of Edmonton, and it used to serve most of the short domestic flights, i.e. from YYC, however they stopped that quite a few years ago now and have just been using the international airport on the south end of town. The municipal is now mainly used for private aircraft, with the exceptio of a couple small commercial airlines operating Beech1900's and other small twins.

As for the non-stop flight, great to see it back. The last time I was on a non-stop flight from Edmonton to London was in 1992 when I flew YYC-YEG-LHR on an Air Canada 747-200...it was a short stop-over in Edmonton, and the first flight that made me want to become a pilot as soon as I get out of school.

I think this is one of the good things about having the merger between AC and CP, we are going to see a lot more routes that wouldn't happen if there were two separate airlines.

User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2461 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (15 years 5 months 2 days ago) and read 4919 times:

Edmonton Airports is a regional airport authority dealing with four airports within Metro Edmonton, Villeneuve Airport, Cooking Lake Airport, Edmonton City Centre Airport and of course Edmonton International Airport (YEG).

The last two have sheduled airline service, but Edmonton City Centre Airport (YXD) lost most of it to YEG, so airline service there is limited to a/c under 19 seats in capacity. This was because a city-wide vote was held in 1995 and most voters in Edmonton and northern Alberta were concerned that Edmonton was losing airline steadily to Calgary because of the fact that Edmonton had two airports with scheduled airline service. Until 1995, YXD had scheduled 737-200 and RJ service, along with regional turboprop service to various destinations within Alberta, BC, and Saskatchewan. Afterwards, all airline service by CP and AC was shifted to YEG.

YXD's scheduled air service is now limited to a/c with no more than 19 seats in capacity. There are two airlines serving YXD now - Peace Air and Capital City Air. Both use J31s and Pilatus aircraft. It's mostly general aviation, corporate a/c and aircraft maintenance traffic at YXD now.

This link below shows you a location map of YEG and YXD, as well as the two others under Edmonton Airports' control. (The "ERRA" should actually be "ERAA" - Edmonton Regional Airports Authority, the older name of Edmonton Airports.)

User currently offlineAC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (15 years 5 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4904 times:

Polaris, glad to see someone else watching for this, too. I'm sure the guys in Edmonton are glad for it. Certainly after losing a lot of service in the last decade, this is among the most exciting news for route development there in quite a while. I sure hope Edmontonians use it, and I hope frequent fliers make a point of using it, as well as connecting passengers using Star Alliance connections at LHR to ensure this routes viability. Hopefully it's sufficiently successful to justify year-round, even if on reduced frequency.

As to the 5/week part of it, I wonder what they're doing with the aircraft on the other 2 days???

Samurai777, in addition to Capital City and Peace Air, don't Corporate Express J31's, Northern Sky (PC-12's or Metroliners, I think), and Transwest Air (J31's or B1900D's, Transwest merged from AirSask/Athabaska Airways) also fly into YXD on a scheduled basis?

User currently offlineCPAir 4 life From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (15 years 5 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4905 times:

Did anyone else notice that judging from the flight number this flight will be operated by Canadian Airlines metal and crew.
Is YYC-HNL 7 days a week, if it is 2 days a week then that's where they are getting the aircraft.


User currently offlineDaveT From Canada, joined Dec 2011, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (15 years 5 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4909 times:

Well, this has certainly surprised me.... Lets see how YEG and AC can either jointly or seperatly market the service for long term sustainability.

personally, I did not see it happening if anyone has read my postings in the past.

But, although I did not see the exact wording in the media alert, I am surprised with the "immediate purchase" offer for an $889.00 fare to London from YEG considering we live in an economy not knowing what tomorrow will bring and why would you want to commit to a 6 month advance reservation is beside me....

I guess AC can play with "our" money until you travel.... but 6 months is a bit much???

Although, the double mileage is attractive assuming it is for all published fares and not just J-Class. Geee.... do you think those up front care less if they get double mileage.....

Once again, I must sell to all readers of the forum that the "full" service carriers must drop this "7 day" minimum stay nonsence to Europe from Canada and go the route of a minimum saturday night similar to U.S./Europe and originating Europe/U.S. and Canada fares.

User currently offlineDaveT From Canada, joined Dec 2011, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (15 years 5 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4901 times:

YYC - HNL is winter months only..... 00/01

YEG - LHR is June thru Sept. 2001

No coincidence nor comparison.

They will not be swapping equipment between the services.

Yes, it is CP equipment and crew as of today but who knows what the summer will look like at AC.

User currently offlineMEL From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (15 years 5 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4903 times:

I noticed the flight numbers indicate it will be operated by Canadian. Looks like Club Empress and Canadian Class will be gone on the 763s by summer, as the release said the plane would be equipped with Executive First and Hospitality Service. AC 763s are configured with 203 seats, whereas CP's have 205 seats, so it sounds like they won't physically re-configure the aircraft, but rather change the names of the cabins, if they haven't done so already.

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User currently offlineLubicon From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (15 years 5 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4875 times:

OK Edmonton, AC is giving you LHR service (again). Let's hope traffic justifies the continuation of this service. Edmonton has worked hard to attract new flights but often low loads end up cancelling the service. You wanted it, you got it, now it's up to you to keep it.

User currently offlineBilly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (15 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 4830 times:

Is it the case that this flight is actually the second daily YYC-LHR that has been switched to YEG? If so, and I think that the slot times at LHR are identical to one of the YYC schedules, then YEG's gain is certainly YYC's loss.

User currently offlineFlyboy767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (15 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 4832 times:

I wouldn't be surprised if it is the second flight from YYC, however I don't think it's much of a loss to YYC, just will help AC get higher load factors on the first flight in the day. They're operating A340's on the route already, I'm not sure what the load factors are on them though...perhaps if this is the case they might upgrade from the A340 to the 747 for the first YYC-LHR service...that would be neat for Calgary.

User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4170 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (15 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 4828 times:

Just out of curiosity are you a member of the flyertalk forum too?

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User currently offlineAC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (15 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 4811 times:

Actually, the double daily YYC-LHR summer season flights appear to still be on, this flight would be in addition to those.

User currently offlineYWG777 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (15 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 4811 times:

Is Edmonton going to get FRA flights next? I am happy for the city of Edmonton. I think a new airline that will serve YEG soon is AA. Will they have enough people to do a YEG-LHR route? I hope it works. Anyone know how the YEG-DEN and the YEG-LAX flights are doing? Please give me some info on the loads. thanks

User currently offlineAio86 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 929 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (15 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4793 times:

May I please bring up a point...
The original article Polaris let us read said that they would have better connections to other European destinations with Star-Alliance partners SAS, Lufthansa and British Midland. Why aren't Austrian Airline Group members included? I think I've heard the same thing about better connections from one European city (I think it was an article about the UA n/s flight from ORD-AMS) to other European cities on Star-Alliance partners SK, LH, and BD. Tyrolean and Austrian both fly to LHR and at least Austrian flies to AMS. Why aren't these airlines included. United even code-shares with Austrian. Does AC not have any relations with Austrian? I'm sorry to go off the topic of the original discusion. Thanx,

User currently offlineSydneysider From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (15 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4785 times:

Some of you mentioned, AC´s using LHR as an "Star"hub with connections operated by the European Star members. Just a question: Are the Star Alliance members located in the same Terminal in LHR? I´m asking, ´cause its 2 years ago that I was at LHR. If not, I´m wondering, why AC isn´t using FRA as the hub for the Edmonton flight.


User currently offlineBilly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (15 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4770 times:

I've checked the AC slot applications for LHR-YYC and YEG for next summer, and they are only showing once a day for YYC. I would be surprised if AC could squeeze five/week summer flights out of LHR and T3.

User currently offlineCaribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1649 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (15 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4767 times:

I don't want to sound negative because I am happy Edmonton has finally received some great news about International flights from it's city.. however, I'd keep an eye on Air Canada because they have a history of starting and stopping new routes from non hub centres. They usually stick to their core routes bring other cities on and off line depending on the season and market conditions. From Montreal they've started and stopped Copenhagen, Geneva, Tel Aviv, Dusseldorf, Munich, Lisbon, Athens, Madrid, Lyon, Nice, Prague, Moscow. Zurich, Brussels, Martinique, St lucia, Bermuda, Freeport and Governer's Harbour over the past 30 years.. there are probably more to include.. they have always kept and maintained flights to London, Paris and Guadeloupe.. they so far have never wavered from this but anywhere else usually lasts a few years or less before it disappears. Remeember Vancouver-Zurich, Vancouver-Paris, do they still exist? There were even flights from Edmonton & Calgary to Copenhagen at one point.
Anyways I hope they'll keep this run as a permament one and that it expands over the years to come. Edmonton has been waiting long enough for this.

User currently offlinePolaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1168 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (15 years 4 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4740 times:

aio86: Austrian Airlines and Air Canada have yet to fully co-ordinate their schedules. That's probably why they weren't mentioned.

As to services being added and then dropped, the airline adds services but if the market doesn't develop, then the services are dropped.

As Lubicon says, it's up to the community to use the service.

User currently offlineSuperdawg From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (15 years 4 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4734 times:

Caribb Air Canada even tried Calgary to Zurich a few years back with once or twice a week service and that didn't last!

I hope the route out of Edmonton does well, they need it. As for the second route out of Calgary, that has always been there as that was Canadian's year round flight to London and was only stopped recently. So either the load factors were not great on that flight or with the takeover it's just more downsizing for Air Canada at it's less important airports, that is any airport other then YYZ.  


User currently offlineLubicon From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (15 years 4 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4732 times:

It appears YYC has lost it's double daily YYC-LHR route probably due to the merger. That would make it easier for AC to find aircraft/slots for the YEG-LHR route. Hopefully Edmonton can make a go of it. As for YEG's LAX and DEn service, I presume since the routes are still being flown they are profitable. Los Angeles has always been a good liesure market out of Edmonton and with the loss of Delta, AC would probably pick up most of that traffic so the route should work. As for Denver, it started as once daily and now is double daily, although with AirBC Bae 146 jets so that route is working too. It would be nice to see traffic grow to the point they could either add one more frequency or switch to larger mainline AC jets (A319, B737 etc). It's not surprising since there are good connections with United to most western US cities out of Denver so the route should work. I hear the ORD route is also doing well.

25 YWG777 : yeah all the loads are up on all routes out of YEG. I can see more transborder routes comming out of YEG with AA and UA. Also I think Hourly service t
26 Lubicon : UA would logically serve DEN and ORD out of YEG. AC already provides 2x daily to DEN and 1x daily to ORD so I don't know if United would be interested
27 Billy : I would not discount the possibility of TWA coming into Western Canada with B717s. Talking to them recently, they seem very interested in puting those
28 Post contains images Samurai 777 : Lubicon, the last US airline I'd see being interested in coming to YEG is Delta or Skywest! In fact, Delta does not have any plans to return to YEG. T
29 YWG777 : Edmonton will keep the London route flying. I knkow that because whty would people want to drive down to YYC to catch a London flight with this route.
30 Post contains links AC183 : Hmmm, interesting. Would the second summer-season YYC-LHR flight have slot applications under CP's operations, as I believe it was flight 3096, and wa
31 Flyboy767 : Nope, this is the only forum I post in.
32 Samurai 777 : I'm still not sure about AA putting on a YEG-DFW route, because load factors were probably horrible, as Lubicon said. I didn't know that AA had flight
33 Flyboy767 : I wouldn't be really surprised to see TWA coming into Western Canada either, except I would expect them to go to YVR and YYC before YEG. The reason I
34 AC183 : If I can justify why I think YEG has good potential for AA: -the DFW-YYC-YEG flights ended in the early '90's, if I remember right. That was a bloodba
35 Samurai 777 : AC183, you're starting to sell me on AA's potential for YEG! You do have some convincing points about AA. AA is indeed adding new flights into YYZ and
36 Superdawg : Delta used to provide connecting service from YYC to YEG and stopped this aroung the same time American did. It's interesting to note that Delta used
37 YWG777 : AA will take a intrest in the canadian market very soon. Most of the medium sized airports are wanting a one world carrier. AA is a one world carrier
38 Marco : Superdawg, Air Canada are launching a new service to JFK from Calgary starting from March 2001 (correct me if I'm wrong) using the A319...
39 RAI : I grew up in Edmonton and have recently moved away. This news is exciting and completely unexpected. I try to keep in touch with the happenings of the
40 Billy : All slot applications to LHR are handled and scheduled under AC operations, so the second YYC could not have slipped past unnoticed. I will check agai
41 Ramprat : YYC has not lost the second LHR route in the summer. As was posted before the second slot always belonged to Canadian. In the past because the loads a
42 Lubicon : I said Delta/Skywest were the most likely US airline to return to Edmonton, however that does not mean that they will. That's like saying the Calgary
43 Superdawg : Good One Lubi, although I think we have a better chance of seeing Aeroflot serving Calgary before the flames win the cup again!!!!!
44 Samurai 777 : The competition between AC and CP was probably already hurting AC's load factors from YEG to LHR during that time earlier in the '90s, even if CP wasn
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