Ryanrap1 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 157 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 1 month 5 days ago) and read 4868 times:
Today while flying through the airport some one said Delta is getting ready to beef up their presence in New Orleans with the following service:
DELTA AIRLINES:
ATL- 4 additional daily
DFW- 2 daily
SLC- 1 additional daily (757)
BOS- 3 daily
Then a flight attendant told me while standing at check in line United was starting 767 Service to MSY!
Can anyone confirm this or know anything about this, doesnt sound right to me at all!
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8774 posts, RR: 12 Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4756 times:
I'm a bit sceptical. I could see DL starting BOS-MSY on the EMB-170; plane has enough range for the route, and the capacity wouldn't be horrible - a comfortable ride, but not big enough where Delta would trash yields - they could get a decent mix with a smaller plane if managed right. As for ATL, I wouldn't be shocked at an increase, but 1-2x flights, not 4x. SLC just restarted recently; if anything, I would think a new flight would be a CRJ-900 if it has the range. And DFW, I just don't see - there's enough competition O&D wise on that route between AA and WN; DL would get slaughtered with only two daily flights going after O&D when the competition offers much better schedules, on mainline planes as well.
KingCavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 18 Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4748 times:
Everything makes sense except for DFW.
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SCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5103 posts, RR: 28 Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4481 times:
I would not dismiss DFW so quickly; Delta has a huge reserve of loyalty in New Orleans, and traffic between north Texas and New Orleans is substantial. With AA charging $1,072.00 round-trip for an unrestricted coach fare, there's a lot of room for competition here.
...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
Drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4916 posts, RR: 8 Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4418 times:
If this news came from a flight attendant I put about 10% in it being true. United just announced they are cutting domestic capacity -- I'll wait for the press releases on this one.
Ryanrap1 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 157 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4278 times:
FROM Drerx7
If this news came from a flight attendant I put about 10% in it being true. United just announced they are cutting domestic capacity -- I'll wait for the press releases on this one.
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Well you just wait, just because United cut SOME Capacity doesnt mean all!!
Drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4916 posts, RR: 8 Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4215 times:
Quoting Ryanrap1 (Reply 5): Well you just wait, just because United cut SOME Capacity doesnt mean all!! Yeah sure
Flight attendants are the LAST place to get reliable information from in regards to future service--except from maybe a taxi driver. In post Katrina New Orleans where UA had one of the lower market shares anyway and where prior they only had 320s at best to LAX...a 767...not likely. You'll see DL or CO throw in a 76 before UA. Now I'd put a little more faith in the DL rumors.
SLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 3878 posts, RR: 11 Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4126 times:
Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 1): SLC just restarted recently; if anything, I would think a new flight would be a CRJ-900 if it has the range.
The CRJ-900 has the range to do SLC-MSY (they use if for SLC-PIT and SLC-YYZ), but if a mainline started again, I would have expected an MD-90 or a 738.
Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 6): Perhaps DL would do well to consider making New Orleans a focus city, considering no one else is.
Does MSY have the O&D passengers to really justify this?
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Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4014 times:
Quoting Ryanrap1 (Thread starter): Today while flying through the airport some one said Delta is getting ready to beef up their presence in New Orleans with the following service:
DELTA AIRLINES:
ATL- 4 additional daily
DFW- 2 daily
SLC- 1 additional daily (757)
BOS- 3 daily
Then a flight attendant told me while standing at check in line United was starting 767 Service to MSY!
Can anyone confirm this or know anything about this, doesnt sound right to me at all!
Its all nonsense......for example, DFW is no longer a DL hub, why would DL enter the DFW-MSY market, because they have nothing else to do? As for MSY-BOS 3 times per day.....connecting two non-hub cities, right? DL's future expansion will be almost exclusively international and a build up of service at MSY is not in the plans.
As for UA using a 763ER into MSY.......note that UA is very short on longrange widebody aircraft....why would UA fly a 763 into MSY and on what route?
I think that the F/A you chatted with had one cocktail too many.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3942 times:
Quoting GlobalATL (Reply 11):
How big of a market is MSY in terms of making money? Leisure mkt vs. business mkt??
There are several New Orleans based a.net members that can surely answer your question.......but do consider that New Orleans is still recovering from Katrina and remains a smaller city that it once was.
Tom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 40 Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3775 times:
Random thoughts:
ATL: wouldn't surprise me, primarily because there is less capacity on the route post-K (smaller a/c).
DFW: beats me, I'm sure AA's fares are exorbitant.....then again, when I go to Dallas, I usually drive.
SLC: been back for quite a while now, I believe it still DL Conn still uses a CR9 on the route. I may be wrong, but I seem to recall 2 mainline flights on the route years ago.
BOS: it'd be nice
Considering that during my 20 years here I can't recall UA running scheduled jumbos in here, I doubt they're gonna start up 763's.
Quoting GlobalATL (Reply 11): How big of a market is MSY in terms of making money? Leisure mkt vs. business mkt??
Geared more towards the business market these days, with the convention market coming back. As word gets around that the vast majority of the leisure/tourist areas weren't damaged much, and those that were are back up and running, the leisure market continues to grow, as well.
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 12): and remains a smaller city that it once was.
This would be a good point, except that the VAST majority of the departed population are people that would not travel by airplane in the first place.
Tom at MSY
"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
AA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13975 posts, RR: 59 Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3716 times:
Quoting MD90fan (Reply 8): Why? Once upon a time Delta flew MSY-DFW 8x daily, not to mention I'm sure this route could work due to the Delta FFs in the region.
Like the good ol days of AA flying the DC-10 on DFW-MSY
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3667 times:
Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 13): Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 12):
and remains a smaller city that it once was.
This would be a good point, except that the VAST majority of the departed population are people that would not travel by airplane in the first place.
Pretty broad statement.
What I was trying to say is that New Orleans, as a origination and destination city, remains a smaller city than it once was. As you point out, convention travel (a very important part of the New Orleans travel market) is beginning to recover but still has a way to go and tourist traffic is still in the recovery phase. Some cruise ships have returned to their home ports in New Orleans, others may return in the coming year. Its still a mixed bag. Back to the original topic: while DL could add some service to its hub cities in the coming years as demand to/from MSY recovers....DL's focus in on international expansion and expanding domestic service at MSY is not a priority for DL at this time.
Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 15):
You won't see CO put a 767 on a domestic route like that. They're stretched to the max flying int'l and Hawaii.
Very true, but its not unusual to see CO use a 767 on a quick IAH-MYS-IAH turn on a sub basis....especially during holiday weekends and busy travel periods.
SLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 3878 posts, RR: 11 Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3609 times:
Quoting GlobalATL (Reply 11): How big of a market is MSY in terms of making money? Leisure mkt vs. business mkt??
I'll likewise let the New Orleans based a.netters point this out.
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 12): but do consider that New Orleans is still recovering from Katrina and remains a smaller city that it once was.
That said, it should be pointed out that the NFL and NBA have bent over backwards to prevent their respective major league sports clubs (Saints, Hornets) from opting to relocate to Oklahoma City, San Antonio or Los Angeles over the last nearly 2 years.
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 16): What I was trying to say is that New Orleans, as a origination and destination city, remains a smaller city than it once was. As you point out, convention travel (a very important part of the New Orleans travel market) is beginning to recover but still has a way to go and tourist traffic is still in the recovery phase. Some cruise ships have returned to their home ports in New Orleans, others may return in the coming year. Its still a mixed bag. Back to the original topic: while DL could add some service to its hub cities in the coming years as demand to/from MSY recovers....DL's focus in on international expansion and expanding domestic service at MSY is not a priority for DL at this time.
DL will likely continue seek ways to tweak or improve MSY service to their hubs (ATL, CVG, SLC & JFK) and significant focus operations in places like LAX and maybe BOS. But it will be something that will evolve over time as they re-access what domestic mainline and connection service works within their network.
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ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3117 times:
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 12): but do consider that New Orleans is still recovering from Katrina and remains a smaller city that it once was.
...as Tom quite clearly stated, the overwhelming majority of the still-displaced from the metro area (which should NOT be confused with those counted as displaced from the city, considering that they may be 5mi up the street, but technically outside of Orleans Parish) weren't exactly the type to jet off on a holiday/business trip any given day.
Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 13): I may be wrong, but I seem to recall 2 mainline flights on the route years ago.
for years it was a 72S and 752.
Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 14): Like the good ol days of AA flying the DC-10 on DFW-MSY
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Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 15): You won't see CO put a 767 on a domestic route like that.
They do that all the time here... rarely scheduled (and if so, usually only for days), but it's not uncommon to see CO 762ERs and 764ERs on IAH-MSY turnarounds.
Tornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3036 times:
Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 18):
That said, it should be pointed out that the NFL and NBA have bent over backwards to prevent their respective major league sports clubs (Saints, Hornets) from opting to relocate to Oklahoma City, San Antonio or Los Angeles over the last nearly 2 years.
Much of that was to avoid the PR debacle moreso than because of the MSY market. Don't forget that the Hornets were barely profitable pre-Katrina.
Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 20):
They do that all the time here... rarely scheduled (and if so, usually only for days), but it's not uncommon to see CO 762ERs and 764ERs on IAH-MSY turnarounds.
I was talking on a scheduled basis. CO doesn't schedule hub-to-spoke widebodies within the lower 48 (sans an occassional brief fling to Florida). Equipment subs aren't germane to the discussion. They've ran a 753 IAH-PIT as a sub before too, but these are unscheduled one-offs.
ElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1515 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2974 times:
This rumor sounds nothing more than a rumor. Delta used to be huge in New Orleans, but I just don't see them adding that much capacity when they are cutting domestic capacity across the board.
Quoting GlobalATL (Reply 11): How big of a market is MSY in terms of making money? Leisure mkt vs. business mkt??
I'll tell you that air fares to New Orleans are out of this world. I'm going back as a contractor next week and shelled out 300 bucks for a roundtrip purchased two months ahead of time. While the market tanked, the fares are sky high and will remain this way until carriers add more capacity.
Speaking of which, any N.O. A.Netters want to meet up while I'm "home."?
Tom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 40 Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2495 times:
Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 14): Like the good ol days of AA flying the DC-10 on DFW-MSY
It's also a very true statement.....which was why I made it in the first place .
Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 18): That said, it should be pointed out that the NFL and NBA have bent over backwards to prevent their respective major league sports clubs (Saints, Hornets) from opting to relocate to Oklahoma City, San Antonio or Los Angeles over the last nearly 2 years.
And the results are spectacular, at least for the Saints. All seats and suites are completely sold out for the 2007 season, and the waiting list has reached 25,000.
Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 22): Speaking of which, any N.O. A.Netters want to meet up while I'm "home."?
Let us know when...
Tom at MSY
"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
Not always.
As said, though they rarely make it into the printed schedules, it's not uncommon for CO to push widebodies through here for days on end. Different from the last minute unanticipated type eqp sub you have in mind.
Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 22): While the market tanked, the fares are sky high and will remain this way until carriers add more capacity.
...which, as many of us here are coming to believe, might not be any time soon. With fares and loadfactors the way they are, and with this market's dynamic shift from primarily leisure to primarily biz; there may not be all that much incentive for carriers to return to pre-K capacity to take advantage of the artificially stimulated yield. *sigh*
Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 23): All seats and suites are completely sold out for the 2007 season
...which, we might add, is something that never occured pre-K.
25 ElmoTheHobo: A shame really, I even considered Baton Rouge, which would have been 75 bucks cheaper, though getting from Baton Rouge to Nawlins would have been a b
26 Warreng24: I could see this happening IF and only IF United were to get a lucrative cargo contract which would pay the majority of the costs of flying in a 763
27 ConcordeBoy: Hmm... now that I think about it, wasn't there a release a while back about UA getting a significantly larger chunk of USPS air business? Flying larg
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DL will likely continue seek ways to tweak or improve MSY service to their hubs (ATL, CVG, SLC & JFK) and significant focus operations in places like LAX and maybe BOS. But it will be something that will evolve over time as they re-access what domestic mainline and connection service works within their network.
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