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How Korea's Economy Is Effecting They're Airlines.  
User currently offlineAsianaAirlines From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 198 posts, RR: 1
Posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1330 times:

Hey Everyone,

Well i was just thinking of how much devistation the families, companies, airlines, such as, Asiana and Korean Air has recieved while the economy of Korea took a downhill turn. They arent getting as much money as they were planning to from they're 10 year plan they had. I've also heard rumors that the PTV's for Korean Air are going to be on hold, not because they dont have enough money, but that, it is not a good time right now for Korea, and also how low the passenger rate went down in Korea. Asiana also took a devistating, low-passenger rate from the bad economy. So for me to state this in a forum, gives me pride in being korean, but also saying, "Visit Korea Year 2001."

Much Love,
Asiana Airlines

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User currently offlineCrossair145 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1273 times:

Hey i'm flying Korean Airlines (1st time) on Dec. 26 and i called for advance seating and they said the flight is at capacity so maybe its just the holiday but i usually fly on the day after Christmas and my experience has been that flights that day tend to be quite empty. I'm hoping Korean Air is good. The fare from JFK to HKG was excellent. I'm still hoping to get a free business upgrade because of connections at JFK. Korea seems like a great country and if Korean Air puts on a good face i will definitely think of a longer visit to Korea other than a two hour layover. PTV's or not, flying is flying...i love it and the scenery on the polar routes is wonderful as so i hear. Take care.

Chris


User currently offlineAAFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1266 times:

I would glady say "Visit Korea Year 2001 on another airline!!"

I've had unpleasant experiences with Korean Air and Asiana Airlines many times!! I dont care how much the economy is suffering, I would rather fly to HGK via JFK and connect to SEL that way, than to bother flying with KE or OZ for that matter.

Why would anyone want to bother with a 2nd rate Asian airlines, anways?? There are far better airlines that can take you to SEL. CX, UA, NW, AC, and SQ.

A good reason why the loads on KE and OZ are low would be due to that fact that Koreans would rather fly with a foreign airline. When DL flew PDX-SEL, SEL-PDX.. it was always full. I hear they will soon start a direct flight to SEL after the Inchon Intl Airport opens in march or april of 2001.

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Fly American "Something Special in the Air"




User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1259 times:

I disagree with your labeling of KE and OZ as second rate airlines. I've flown on both airlines many times and I can say that they're one of the best out there. Definitely better than American carriers, (which isn't saying much, mind you...) and on par or better than leading Asian carriers in many aspects. Their inflight service is excellent, and if you don't mind flying without PTV's, you'll enjoy your flight. F/A's are one of the friendliest around, simply because F/As are one of the most sought after career for Korean women- these F/As have pride, knowing that they beat out odds of something like 100+:1 to get that job.

And another thing- if you consider UA a better airline to get you to Asia, I don't think you've flown on UA enough.


User currently offlineImkeww From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1249 times:

You must remember that KAL has an atrocious safety record. In 96/97/98 they alone had 4 or more disastrous crashes!

User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1248 times:

AsianaAirlines...
Are you sure KE postponed PTV installation? I was just browsing their website and there was an article written in Korean- a big one that said the following if translated loosely: (written in Dec 2, 2000- so it's only a few days old)

"Korean Air will install PTV, satellite phone, and notebook power outlets in every seat of our long range aircrafts.
It will be the first time a Korean-based airline will boast such features. An aircraft equipped with PTV and satellite phone will be introduced in early February next year. Additionally, B747 and B777 that are scheduled to be introduced after September next year will feature notebook power outlets in everyseat- including economy.
Cost of retrofitting each seat with the feature is 1.1 million won. The cost to configure 2 B747 is 6.6 billion won (excuse me if I'm wrong with the conversion here).
Each PTV is 6.5 inch in size. These monitors are installed in back of each sseats. They will feature 10 movie channels, 16 music channels, as well as schedule info, inflight service info, inflight shopping info and others- just like in the business class. Some long-haul aircrafts featured phones that hung on the wall, but satellite phone will be installed in everyseat, along with videos.
As well as retrofitting the 2 B744s, Korean Air is looking at installing these features on B747, B777, B737, A330 and other medium to long-haul aircrafts.
Notebook users up until now were limited to the longevity of their batteries. Starting next September, economy seats in B777 and B747 will feature notebook power outlets. We're looking to expand this feature onto other medium and long-haul aircrafts."



So there you go...
Excuse me if I made any mistakes translating. I tried my best.


User currently offlineCrossair145 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1240 times:

AAflyer,

When you consider a return ticket from JFK to HKG for $739US compared to $1200+ for the same ticket on CX you can see why i chose KAL. I have a degree in Aviation Science and I have done class studies on the Korean Air crashes...it happens to the best airlines as seen recently with the SQ crash. I am sure that my recent first class flight on Delta will be inferior compared to KAL's economy. I will inform everyone in the trip report forum when i return.

Chris


User currently offlineDatamanA340 From South Korea, joined Dec 2000, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1228 times:


For example, SEL-TYO, while KE costs Koreans $400 for a return economy, UA and NW costs just $250, and SEL-CDG/LHR could be got just for $450 from NH, instead of KE for $1200. Enough explain?


User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1212 times:

Flights originating from or terminating in Korea are more expensive on KE and OZ. But if you fly elsewhere through SEL, it's generally cheaper on KE than its competitors.

User currently offlineDatamanA340 From South Korea, joined Dec 2000, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1196 times:


Watewate:
I know. It was just a reply for AAFlyer, that why Koreans hesitate to take national airplane rather than JL, UA, SQ, and other foreign carriers'.

For more explanation, Foreign entry to Korea has gradually increased from 1950s, even during 1st crisis in 1997~1998. Greeting of foreigners usually don't make profit as national, but enough for survival. In 1998 KAL have just suspended 2 or 3 routes (I cannot remember what they were except SEL-NGS and SEL-AMS.) and all are recovered present. Meanwhile foreign liners are affected so much. These are that leaved: BA, SR, AZ, DL, VN, QF, AN, NZ, NX, SV, VP, NG, CS and GA. Only 4 of these returned and NW cut more than 40 weekly flights, only 7 remained.


User currently offlineRAI From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1199 times:

And how much they're gonna receive...The Korean economy is on the verge of another economic fall. I was reading that Hyndai was planning on laying-off 100 000 employees (gasp). It seems no lessons were learned from their '97-'98 economic tumble.

Anyways, I disagree with the thread’s author’s statement that the Korean airliners are struggling as opposed to their counterparts. Korean Air actually has a great reputation for service and their fares are generally much lower than their competitors to flights to Asia. I know many Japanese who use Korean or Asiana and connect via Seoul to get to Japan rather than take a direct flight to Narita. Why? Because it’s much, much cheaper.

Furthermore, have any of you tried booking a flight to Seoul, especially during the summer? Asiana’s flights are booked solid months in advance, especially from their North American departure points. Korean Air is much the same. When I was living in Canada, I tried booking a flight last summer to Seoul to visit my “hyung”.   Nothing, nada, zip. Everything was booked solid for the whole summer. And this is during high season too. I’m planning on heading over to Korea next summer to try and visit my “hyung”. I guess I’ll have much the same to look forward too.

Lastly, Koreans have such strong nationalistic pride, often at xenophobic proportions, that they’ll do anything and everything to support something that has even the slightest semblance of being Korean. Airlines included. They’ll fly KE and OZ first rather than anything else.

Here’s an aside, my cousin is married to a Korean girl. He’s been back and forth to Korea several times with OZ (JFK-SEL). He loved it and flies them exclusively. He said the flights were packed. North America-Korea is a very popular route. I wouldn’t be able to comment much about Europe-Korea.


User currently offlineAsianaAirlines From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1190 times:

Well as i was reading an article "In the Struggle of Korea", and they mentioned that the passenger rate in DOMESTIC flights in korea compared to a couple years ago had a real bad decrease. And for the people who were on this post, having a continuous wine of how Korean people are stupid, rather than going on Korean Airline, but not going on a Non-Korean Airline. The reason is because we do take pride, but most of all, we want to support our country with it's economic disaster. So for the ones who think that It's only because korean people want to be in airline with a they're ethnic crowds, that is so wrong of you to say that, because you would not know how it would feel to not to atleast give something to your own county that's in trouble. I have family members losing jobs, and not getting enough money in my Korea, where once my father and mother called home. And to Watewate, thats cool, where did you find out about the PTV's getting installed soon? Please give me the web-address, because I heard on a Korean-News Program that they were putting the PTV's on hold, about 2 months ago due to a worse decrease in its economy market.

Well that's all i have to say,
Asiana_Airlines

[Visit Korea Year 2001!]


User currently offlineAsianaAirlines From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1187 times:

Well as i was reading an article "In the Struggle of Korea", and they mentioned that the passenger rate in DOMESTIC flights in korea compared to a couple years ago had a real bad decrease. And for the people who were on this post, having a continuous wine of how Korean people are stupid, rather than going on Korean Airline, but not going on a Non-Korean Airline was that we do take pride, but most of all, we want to support our country with it's economic disaster. So for the ones who think that It's only because korean people want to be in airline with a they're ethnic crowds, that is so wrong of you to say that, because you would not know how it would feel to not to atleast give something to your own county that's in trouble. I have family members losing jobs, and not getting enough money in my Korea, where once my father and mother called home. And to Watewate, thats cool, where did you find out about the PTV's getting installed soon? Please give me the web-address, because I heard on a Korean-News Program that they were putting the PTV's on hold, about 2 months ago due to a worse decrease in its economy market.

Well that's all i have to say,
Asiana_Airlines

[Visit Korea Year 2001!]


User currently offlineUA777 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1183 times:

I've flown KAL twice, LAX to SEL in 99 and ORD to SEL in 00. Each flight was great, albeit to capacity, and wouldn't hesitate to fly them again.

The only compaint I had was regarding their mileage program. I didn't have time to become a mileage member on the first leg of my flight and had to do this on my return flight to the US. KAL wouldn't include the the mileage from the first leg of the flight, despite having my seat stub and paying full fare for the ticket.

I thought this a little odd since it wasn't a problem with other airlines I have flown and run into a similar problem. Nonetheless, this was the only turbulence in my experience with KAL, but minor when compared to some of the experiences I had with US airlines.


User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1181 times:

Can someone tell me about profitability of KE's domestic routes? I assume they're making money on routes to Pusan and Cheju, but how about others?

As far as KE is concerned, they'll do fine. Their US routes are always packed and they operate out of a fine facility at JFK. And don't forget about their Cargo operations- they have a new cargo terminal at JFK, which should have been completed by now. Add the new Inchon airport to that mix and you have the necessary infrastructure to grow and flurish in the future. Their membership in the SkyTeam should be beneficial, as well.

And as for all those who badmouth KE or even OZ- have you even flown on them? It's one thing to trash an airline if you had repeated cases of bad experience, but you can't judge or stereotype an airline if you've flown only a roundtrip on that airline. Some haven't even been on KE and are trashing them. That's just wrong. You can pick on their poor safety records, but initiatives were taken to address this issue. The management knows that this has to be resolved, especially after the rumblings that KE should be banned from flying into LHR.

Re: AsianaAirlines
I found the article on KoreanAir.co.kr
Check under news and you'll see a big article on this subject. It was written on 2 of December, so it's not outdated by any means.


User currently offlineChiawei From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 942 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1177 times:

I have disagree with your comment. All North American carrier services are much far more worse than any Asian Carrier.

UA seas is tiny and cramp. food is lousy. Same is true for northwest.

I flown on korean several times from JFK-SEL-TPE (before break off of diplomatic relations). The flight was excellent. I got to spend one night at SEL. Korean took pax to 1 day sight seeing tour of SEL. It was great.

Imagine any NA airlines do that.



User currently offlineChiawei From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 942 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1173 times:

NW reduce its flight to Korea is due to overall traffic decrease in Asia.

Because NRT was congested, and pax has to wait for a long time and board buses to terminal, NW decided to open a second HUB for traffic from US to south Asia.

When traffic fell through out the region, NW abandon the hub. This really has nothing to do with SEL itself.


User currently offlineNEFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1181 times:

I recently flew on OZ in August. LAX-SEL, SEL-LAX. The flights were noticeably full... I didn't sense any problems with load factors at OZ. I can't speak for their domestic service, as I haven't flown on any domestic flights with OZ. However, I did fly with KE to Che Ju Island (SEL-CJU) last July and those flights were full as well.

If anyone is interested in knowing what the korean characters near the nose of KE's planes says.. It says "Dae Han Han Goong" translated into english means Korean Air. and the korean characters on the side of Asiana's aircraft says "Asiana(koreans pronouce it as "Ahh she ahh naah") Han Goong" which translates into Asiana Airlines.

If anyones interested.. here are some pictures of OZ and KE planes I took in June and August of this year.
http://www.freespeech.org/jason/images2/HL-7421.jpg
http://www.freespeech.org/jason/images2/HL-7538.jpg
http://www.freespeech.org/jason/images2/HL-7232.jpg
http://www.freespeech.org/jason/images2/KALCargo.jpg
http://www.freespeech.org/jason/images2/OZ744-Inflight.jpg
http://www.freespeech.org/jason/images2/OZ744.jpg
All pictures were taken by me.

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NEFlyer


User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1170 times:

AsianaAirlines wrote:
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So for the ones who think that It's only because korean people want to be in airline with a they're ethnic crowds, that is so wrong of you to say that, because you would not know how it would feel to not to atleast give something to your own county that's in trouble.


Ummm...OK? I don't quite understand what you're trying to say. Don't blame me for trying.   But in response to your comment above, you wouldn't work in the field I work in if you didn't want to give back to your own country. It's not "just" a Korean thing.

But you still prove my point that helping out your own culture is a form of xenophobia.  

NEFlyer: Nice pictures!


User currently offlineAirnewzealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2542 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1159 times:

Annyonghaseyo Asiana,
Je irumun Maikul ieyo.
I rencently went to Korea. Two Months ago infact. I flew AKL-SEL and SEL-AKL. Both flights were over booked. All seats gone in other wods. Korean airlines is one of the best airlines in the world!! Better than Qantas and Continental. They have sepurb entertainment and their food is soooooo nice. I can't wait to travel on them again. My friends and i were complaining about flying on them to Korea as we wanted to fly on SQ. But once i experienced them i sooooo looked forward to flying with them back home. Korean people are so friendly. While flying with them they actually talked to you while serving the food and Beverages. Asking where our group was going. I went to Iksan (Chonju) and while i was in Seoul i found alot of Americans visit Korea. All outbound flights were totally booked as well. I could understand the flight Attendants talking amongst themselves. They said that "it was going to be hard to keep smiling tonight as our flights are full".
Korean Air truley is a great airline and i can't wait to fly them again.
AirNZ SHOULD BE STARTING SERVICE BACK TO sEOUL WHEN THE NEW INCHON airport oopens. Can't wait. Bi haeng gi sung mo won e dwi go sip o yo!!!
ASIANA: odi e sara yo??
Cheers mikey
jal itsoyo!!


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1148 times:

Excellent Pictures!

User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1145 times:

Excellent Pictures!

User currently offlineAirnewzealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2542 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1127 times:

Yes i will add that as well. They are awesome. Especially the one upon landing in Seoul. Pitty my ones did not turn out. We were going to FAST!!
Cheers
Mikey  


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