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British Airways Orders 8 X A320's  
User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11907 times:

BA orders 8 Airbus A320 aircraft for delivery between 2008 and 2010

http://www.abcmoney.co.uk/news/18200773741.htm


LONDON (Thomson Financial) - British Airways has ordered 8 new Airbus A320 aircraft for delivery between 2008 and 2010.

The airline said the order is the first step towards a single short-haul fleet across its network.

BA also said it will upgrade its Gatwick short-haul fleet by replacing the oldest 14 Boeing 737s with Airbus A319 aircraft.


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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12894 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11863 times:
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Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
The airline said the order is the first step towards a single short-haul fleet across its network.

I guess that rules out any chance of the 737NG then.

I don't know why they don't just place one larger order for the planes they need rather than ordering them in dribs and drabs as they are currently.



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User currently offlineIb16uk From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11863 times:

Its about time British Airways updated their LGW fleet !!

User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3403 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11778 times:

Quoting Ib16uk (Reply 2):
Its about time British Airways updated their LGW fleet !!

this is the start of it - the A320s are going to LHR and a number of A319s are being transferred to LGW to replace the oldest of the 737s.


User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10243 posts, RR: 97
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11763 times:
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Quoting Ib16uk (Reply 2):
Its about time British Airways updated their LGW fleet !!

Indeed, flew on a venerable old 737-400 from LGW to Bari last month.
No probs, but they're looking a bit tatty now next to shiny new metal.......... Smile

Regards


User currently offlineIb16uk From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11733 times:

Especially with those brand new orange A319s in the South Terminal !!

User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2038 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11733 times:

I guess the alternative scenario to replacing their LGW fleet would have been to drop the LGW routes entirely! As they are replacing the metal, this seems to have been avoided...

[Edited 2007-05-18 11:58:19]


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User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11621 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 1):
I guess that rules out any chance of the 737NG then.

As long as Mr Walsh is in charge of BA there is no way his company is going to order 737NGs to replace 737 'Classics' based at LGW to work alongside the A320srs a/c. Wise move by BA I say, attempting to simplify the short-haul fleet.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11621 times:

Would it not be possible to order 737NGs as a separate gatwick fleet? How independant is the Gatwick operation?

User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4069 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11610 times:

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
British Airways has ordered 8 new Airbus A320 aircraft

The BA release sats A320 series aircraft, not A320.

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 4):
Indeed, flew on a venerable old 737-400 from LGW to Bari last month

The 14 A319 that are going to LGW will replace the B733 and B735.
No news yet on B734 replacement


User currently offlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11519 times:

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 9):
The 14 A319 that are going to LGW will replace the B733 and B735.
No news yet on B734 replacement

The company has indicated that the B734 fleet will eventually be replaced by A320s, making the entire shorthaul operation (LHR and LGW) all Airbus fleet.

Quoting EI321 (Reply 8):
Would it not be possible to order 737NGs as a separate gatwick fleet? How independant is the Gatwick operation?

While LGW operates independently of LHR and has it's own crew base, the overall aim appears to have a single common fleet from an operational and financial perspective. This means that overall, BA will reduce the different types of aircraft used.


User currently offlineCYatUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11361 times:

Very good news for both BA and Airbus

So, how many B737 are there in LGW and of what types?



CY@Uk
User currently offlineB707Stu From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11347 times:

Last week I flew a BA A319 TXL-LHR and it was very nice. Though I'm Boeing at heart for long haul, I prefer the A320/A319/A321 product over the 737 for shorter flights.

User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11335 times:

Quoting CYatUK (Reply 11):
So, how many B737 are there in LGW and of what types?

33 IN TOTAL.

[ ] GLGTE Boeing B733 3Y0 24908 / 2015 Union Flag
[ ] GLGTF Boeing B733 382 24450 / 1873 Union Flag
[ ] GLGTG Boeing B733 3Q8 24470 / 1765 Union Flag
[ ] GLGTH Boeing B733 3Y0 23924 / 1542 Union Flag
[ ] GLGTI Boeing B733 3Y0 23925 / 1544 Union Flag
[ ] GDOCA Boeing B734 436 25267 / 2131 Union Flag
[ ] GDOCB Boeing B734 436 24304 / 2144 Union Flag
[ ] GDOCE Boeing B734 436 25350 / 2167 Union Flag
[ ] GDOCF Boeing B734 436 25407 / 2178 Union Flag
[ ] GDOCG Boeing B734 436 25408 / 2183 Union Flag
[ ] GDOCH Boeing B734 436 25428 / 2185 Union Flag
[ ] GDOCL Boeing B734 436 25842 / 2228 Union Flag
[ ] GDOCN Boeing B734 436 25648 / 2379 Union Flag
[ ] GDOCO Boeing B734 436 25849 / 2381 Union Flag
[ ] GDOCS Boeing B734 436 25852 / 2390 Union Flag
[ ] GDOCT Boeing B734 436 25953 / 2409 Union Flag
[ ] GDOCU Boeing B734 436 25854 / 2417 Union Flag
[ ] GDOCV Boeing B734 436 24855 / 2420 Union Flag
[ ] GDOCW Boeing B734 436 25856 / 2422 Union Flag
[ ] GDOCX Boeing B734 436 25857 / 2451 Union Flag
[ ] GDOCY Boeing B734 436 25844 / 2514 Union Flag
[ ] GDOCZ Boeing B734 436 25858 / 2522 Union Flag
[ ] GGBTA Boeing B734 436 25859 / 2532 Union Flag
[ ] GGBTB Boeing B734 436 25860 / 2545 Union Flag
[ ] GGFFA Boeing B735 59D 25038 / 1969 Union Flag
[ ] GGFFB Boeing B735 505 25789 / 2229 Union Flag
[ ] GGFFD Boeing B735 59D 26419 / 2186 Union Flag
[ ] GGFFE Boeing B735 538 27424 / 2720 Union Flag
[ ] GGFFF Boeing B735 53A 24754 / 1868 Union Flag
[ ] GGFFG Boeing B735 505 24650 / 1792 Union Flag
[ ] GGFFH Boeing B735 5H6 27354 / 2637 Union Flag
[ ] GGFFI Boeing B735 528 27425 / 2730 Union Flag
[ ] GGFFJ Boeing B735 5H6 27355 / 2646 Union Flag


User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11322 times:

So can someone explain what this is all about?


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User currently offlineBY188B From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11308 times:

Lease from XL for the summer season to BA's franchise operator GB Airways. It is flying summer sun routes from LGW.


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User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11287 times:

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 14):
Lease from XL for the summer season to BA's franchise operator GB Airways. It is flying summer sun routes from LGW.

I see. Thanks.



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User currently offlineKhenleyDIA From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11253 times:

I am surprised to be bringing this up, but maybe this hints towards the long-haul fleet being mostly, if not all Boeing. I don't see BA going completely to one manufacturer. I bet that once they move completely to the A32X, that they will be cutting some of their many costs associated with running both 737s and 320s. Smart move for BA!

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User currently offlineCYatUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11103 times:

[quote=EI321,reply=13]33 IN TOTAL.

Thanks EI321

So (as someone else asked before) why BA are not ordering more A32X to replace all their LGW fleet if (as they said) they are moving towards that direction anyway.

Unless the usual rule of getting a better price if buying more is not working within aviation.

Any views?



CY@Uk
User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31421 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11064 times:
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Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 14):
So can someone explain what this (BA 738) is all about?

Isn't she a lease or something?


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12894 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10998 times:
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Quoting EI321 (Reply 8):
Would it not be possible to order 737NGs as a separate gatwick fleet?

It would be possible, in as much as there is nothing to stop them doing it, but the report states:

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
The airline said the order is the first step towards a single short-haul fleet across its network.

which, in my opinion, is clearly saying the A320 family is the choice for short-haul.



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10986 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 20):
Quoting EI321 (Reply 8):
Would it not be possible to order 737NGs as a separate gatwick fleet?

It would be possible, in as much as there is nothing to stop them doing it, but the report states:

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
The airline said the order is the first step towards a single short-haul fleet across its network.

which, in my opinion, is clearly saying the A320 family is the choice for short-haul.

I just thought of that as some airlines have done it (AB & EZ). Perhaps Boeing could throw in 40 cheap 737NG to help the l/h order.


User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4069 posts, RR: 33
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10926 times:

Quoting CYatUK (Reply 18):
Unless the usual rule of getting a better price if buying more is not working within aviation

But the new orders are taken from options taken out years ago. BA still has A320 options to firm up.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10890 times:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-replacing-gatwick-boeing-737.html

Quote:

Chief executive Willie Walsh says: "We’ve made considerable progress at Gatwick, particularly on costs. Gatwick is an important part of our short-haul strategy and replacing the older Boeing 737 fleet with Airbus aircraft will give us flexibility across both airports."

BA currently has 67 Airbus aircraft in its short-haul fleet.

The airline has separately been evaluating widebody aircraft and intends to place a major order later this year.



User currently offlineAH332 From Algeria, joined Mar 2007, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10820 times:

Hi,

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
BA also said it will upgrade its Gatwick short-haul fleet by replacing the oldest 14 Boeing 737s with Airbus A319 aircraft.

Could that mean that the LGW-ALG route will see a A319 instead of a 734? That would be awesome!!!  Smile

Cheers,
Imad



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25 Post contains links and images Jacobin777 : .....while I'm sad to see their B737's go (I flew on their B737-500 a few years ago), I think it's a smart move to shift towards all one-manufacturer
26 EI321 : Why exactly did BA convert their A318 orders to A319?
27 Bongodog1964 : A few words spring to mind in this "prudence" being one of them, "flexibility" being another We all realise that the aircraft industry has many defin
28 VivaGunners : If ALG is a 734s destination, it seems more likely that it won't see that many 319s as they are meant to replace 733s and 735s in BA's fleet. You wil
29 Post contains images LifelinerOne : Shameless self-plug!    Cheers!   [Edited 2007-05-18 14:55:23]
30 BrianDromey : Not quite. The 757 and 767 will still be operating ex LHR on shorthaul routes. Good & logical move by BA. Whatever anyone might say, it makes sense f
31 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...this is A.net after all..I enjoy sharing my photographic opportunities with others...
32 AlanUK : I believe BA were intending to use the A318s in the regions, but of course, as we all know, BA has pretty much given up on regional operations.
33 Scbriml : They were ordered with PW6000s. If P&W had got that ready in time, BA might be operating the A318. Instead they needed the planes and switched the or
34 Post contains images AH332 : Well, at least I'm not in it alone! Thanks for the info. Cheers, Imad
35 Post contains images Pumaknight : Can't say I am disappointed by BA replacing their old 737 fleet. Flew on one from Venice back to Gatwick earlier this yera. Trusty old frame, good fli
36 Dutchjet : That BA intends to replace its entire 737Classic fleet with A32X airplanes is really not news, its been the plan all along. And one should note that
37 TristarSteve : What a lot of you are missing is that until today there was no guarantee that BA would replace the LGW B737s at all. There was a turnround plan to br
38 CHRISBA777ER : This isnt a shocker at all - we've been expecting this for 18 months. I suspect what will happen is they are looking to replace the CFM-56-powered Bus
39 TristarSteve : The aircraft to replace the CFM56 A320 are already ordered, in fact the first one was delivered (UXJ) a couple of weeks ago and more will come in the
40 PieTpaFlSun : Get ready for the HUGE Boeing order! They threw a bone to Airbus and the EU.
41 EI321 : Great logic. And may I ask how the order for 777-200ER's is a different case?
42 PGNCS : Sure it would be possible, but economically unjustified. They picked the best aircraft for their operation, and pending fleet simplification will ben
43 EI321 : Looking at the EU flag carriers that have updated their fleets, most have switched the A320 Adria A320 Aer Lingus A320 Aeroflort A320 Air France A320
44 Dutchjet : Its so convenient to look at half of a story........why not take a look at airlines like Ryanair, Transavia, TUI, etc......count the TOTAL number of
45 Ncelhr : What happens to the pilots of these B733 & 735? Do they have to re-qualify for A320 series?
46 Wrighbrothers : It would be possible, however, just logistically, the simpler the fleet, the better. Think about it, if they need maintaining, they can do heavy main
47 EFCar98 : Because Airbus will cut them the same deal as if they ordered 50
48 777way : BA are also panning to increase flights to Pakistan from three to six with 777 from June, currently they use a 744.
49 WINGS : British Airways still hold some options from their initial order for the A32X. This order is most likely a conversation of their options. One thing t
50 EI321 : It is indeed just an option conversion. Yes Yes but the point was towards flag carriers, and why they appear to be favouring the A320 in Europe. Can
51 707lvr : Back in 1998, British Airways placed what was then the largest non-US Airbus order in history, 320 family, firm for 59 planes, with options on 129 mor
52 EI321 : Yep this is related to that very order. They currently have 33 A319, 22 A320 and 8 A321 in service related to that 1998 order.
53 Post contains images Glideslope : I like the way this is going.
54 VV701 : What does this mean: 'This is the first step towards a single short haul fleet across British Airways' network.' The above are the words of the BA Pre
55 Wrighbrothers : In my opinion, the 1998 order was the first step, that is if they were to go all airbus which I assume is true. it is actualy possible In my opinion,
56 Boeing74741R : I don't think that this deal has anything to get Boeing to give em a good deal. As I said earlier it is a wise move in an attempt to simplify their s
57 LHRjc : Don't BA like the 752 and 763 on short haul for carrying Cargo just as much as the pax capacity ? JC
58 Post contains links TristarSteve : The B763 carry a lot of cargo, but is this worth it. from another thread British Airways Applies For EU - US Service (by Jimyvr May 14 2007 in Civil
59 A340600 : That is a matter of opinion. I do not think those aircraft look more attractive than BA's. Not enough to warrant it. Something with P&W I think and a
60 GDB : Good news and much needed. Though the legacy 734's are aircraft ordered by BA years ago, and operated wholly by BA since, (some have been sold though)
61 PGNCS : Why? To make their airline more complex to manage? They will have to requalify on something, certainly. Because in the opinions of the carriers that
62 TristarSteve : One thing to remember is that in Europe the flight times are shorter than in the USA. 2 hrs is nearly long haul for an intra EU flight. On the longer
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