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BA Will Order 50 New Planes By End Of 2007, Part 2  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12162 posts, RR: 17
Posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4713 times:
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Now that part 1 has nearly 250 posts, heres part 2

BA Will Order 50 New Planes By End Of 2007! (by KL911 May 14 2007 in Civil Aviation)

I can see Boeing winning this order because of their recent 4x B772ER order, especially since it was said somewhere, think it was BA that if they decide to go with Boeing then, they would make a small B772ER earlier which has happened.

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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4684 times:

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
I can see Boeing winning this order because of their recent 4x B772ER order

Cmon, thats like saying you expect Airbus to win becuase BA just ordered A320s. The airlines has said that for interm expansion, they were going to order a small amount of either A330s or 777-200ERs. I would not expect BA to order 4 737NGs if they needed some interm expansion of the short haul fleet (despite the Gatwick 737 fleet), so I cant say Im surprised that they did not order 4 A330s for interm expansion of their long haul fleet.

At the end of the day, I think whoever offers the best deal on all fronts will win, and it could easily be split as the Airline has stated.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30986 posts, RR: 86
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4533 times:
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Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
I can see Boeing winning this order because of their recent 4x B772ER order, especially since it was said somewhere, think it was BA that if they decide to go with Boeing then, they would make a small B772ER earlier which has happened.



Quoting EI321 (Reply 1):
Cmon, thats like saying you expect Airbus to win becuase BA just ordered A320s.

BA did originally state whomever won the interim lift order between the 772ER and A333 would win the future lift order between the 787 and A350. However, BA then distanced themselves from that statement, followed by choosing the 772ER for (at least part of) the interim lift order.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4508 times:

BA has indeed said that the 777-200ER order will have no no bearing on future orders.

Quote:

Speaking to Flight International, BA commercial director Robert Boyle said the decision to order eight 777s for delivery from 2009 rather than Airbus A330s for its short-term requirement has no bearing on its longer-term needs. "The ease of assimilating up to eight aircraft into our existing 777 fleet swung it in Boeing's favour," he says.

For its long-term requirement, BA is evaluating all variants of the A350 XWB against all variants of the 787 "including the -10", as well as the 777-300ER, while the A380 is being pitched against the 747-8I. "We've had the responses to our RFP from the manufacturers, which will be iterated several times. We're now getting to the serious bit of the discussions," says Boyle. He expects the selections to be finalised in the second half of this year.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-begins-widebody-negotiations.html


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3585 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4463 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
BA did originally state whomever won the interim lift order between the 772ER and A333 would win the future lift order between the 787 and A350

The big problem in this original statement was that it wouldn't have made it an interim order. The choice of 4 plus 4 options would have dictated a major part of BA's fleet policy for the next 20 years. All us A netters would have lost months of joyful speculation.


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7106 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4197 times:

I really hope that the bulk of the order will be for 787/748i aircraft. However I would not be suprised if there are a few 380s thrown in there

User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4036 times:

The BA longhaul order is one that can go in any direction. In my opinion this order will be one of the toughest battles between Boeing and Airbus. I'm really anxious in seeing who will eventually claim the victory here. In any way good luck to BA, Boeing and Airbus.

A388


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days ago) and read 3775 times:

I love these threads.

 Big grin

Suppose wait and see wouldn't fit in with the A.net crowd.

You all know my views on this matter, I won't repeat them again


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3650 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 7):
You all know my views on this matter,

I dont, what are they?  Wink


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3427 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 8):

I seem to remember you commented Big grin


Reply 42 onwards is my comments and the subsequent quotings Big grin

British Airways: "could Imagine 10-15 A380" (by Flying-tiger Apr 10 2007 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3411 times:

Ba has a 57 747s in their fleet.

The market is growing approxm 5% per year. I think BA don´t want to loose to much market share.

They have to add capasity to the worlds hubs in their network.

I don´t think they will replace all 744 with a380s. The 744s have a lot of live left in them.

Maybe half of them in the next 10 yrs, RR powered.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3346 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 10):
Keesje

So Keesje's prediction is that the 57 747-400s will be replaced with up to 30 A380s, with the remainder being replaced by A350/787/748i (delete as appropriate)?

Not unlikely IMO.

[Edited 2007-05-20 23:32:12]

User currently offlineBlsbls99 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3294 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 10):
The market is growing approxm 5% per year. I think BA don´t want to loose to much market share.

What will BA replace their A319, A320, and A321 with to capture this 5% growth in the market?



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

Quoting Blsbls99 (Reply 12):



Quoting Blsbls99 (Reply 12):
Quoting Keesje (Reply 10):
The market is growing approxm 5% per year. I think BA don´t want to loose to much market share.

What will BA replace their A319, A320, and A321 with to capture this 5% growth in the market?

I think we see a clear trend towards the bigger versions of NB aircraft being launched. No surprise Boeing is considering 2 types for the next generation and launched the 737-900ER increasing seatcount by 15%. The times of simply increasing frequencies seem to be over with landing rights, slot restrictions, environmental pressure and fuel prizes moving up the priority ladder.

Maybe Airbus will try to build a A322  Wink

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