Teneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 423 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8189 times:
According to 9WSYR in Syracuse a NWA DC9 Enroute from SYR to DTW had to make an emergency landing in BUF due to"reported pressure loss and smoke in the cockpit around 1:15" . Apparently when the plane landed a "12" gash in the front of the fuselage, near rows 1 and 2. " was found. Link to the story: http://www.9wsyr.com/news/local/stor...1f2815-b83b-4e61-b116-521b67205e6c
Fdex727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8082 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 1): *cough* outsourcing *cough* Anyone remember what Menzies Aviation did to the AS jet....
Gotta love it. I wish the trend of outsourcing would change, but I know we'll see more before it's over. I know at UA in CLT for a time we did arrival checks before any ground equip was allowed near the plane. It was amazing some of the dents and other assorted items you would find.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21214 posts, RR: 19 Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7879 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 1): *cough* outsourcing *cough* Anyone remember what Menzies Aviation did to the AS jet....
I'm not sure you can conclude that... Though it sounds like a lot of damage and a weird spot for a bird, it's also a strange place for ground equipment trouble too, and it's unlikely they would have made it to FL180 and not known about a problem caused by an accident on the ground.
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OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7818 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4): Though it sounds like a lot of damage and a weird spot for a bird, it's also a strange place for ground equipment trouble too
If it was between row 1 and row 2 as mentioned, that would put it too far aft of the pax entry door to be anything the jetway could have done on that side. Likewise, too far aft of the forward service door to be a catering truck on the F/O's side.
My hunch is that something with a corrner (lav cart, tall bag cart, ground power unit) was driven too close to the fuselage and put a crease in it.
Skoker From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 439 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6083 times:
Ay! It's been a busy week here in the skies over BUF.
It's a DC9-30, I'm going to try and get out for some pictures today but I'm not sure what they did with the bird... I'd assume it went over to Prior's hanger to be plugged, but maybe with a hole that big it would be easier just to W/O it.
BrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3805 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5787 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 1): *cough* outsourcing *cough* Anyone remember what Menzies Aviation did to the AS jet....
Utter rubbish. Here in Europe "outsourcing" is common. Companies like Servisair, SwissPort, Aviance and Manzies do very good businesss, with repersentation form one of the four at almost all airports in Europe. Flights are not handled by the airports own personnel at outstations, and yet you dont see FR, EI, BA, SK, WW, BD, U2, LH, TP, IB, etc with large gashes (or any other type of damage) torn in the fuselage.
How do you know that the damage was not done in DTW or MSP, or anywhere elase NW has its own crews, only for the actual split/rupture to appear in flight?
Ive never understood the American airlines "need" to have employees at every airport the airline serves, its just not cost effective. Maybe that is one of teh reasons why so many American carriers are kneck deep in red ink?
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ZRB2 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 894 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5645 times:
Quoting Skoker (Reply 9): Ay! It's been a busy week here in the skies over BUF.
What else has been going on over BUF this week?
There's a news report from the incident with some passenger interviews, link below. Just click on the link above the picture of the plane that says "6pm news part 1".
There is another video report with a number of glaring "media errors." I didn't know NW had 115 passenger Boeing DC9-30s. I'm glad age didn't find its way into this report...
PS: Burnsie, I'm sure aircraft damage is never a factor at NWA facilities.
KingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1579 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4259 times:
It would be interesting to know the sequence of events leading up to and after the a/c was damaged. I was always told when working on the ramp that if you ever hit an airplane with any piece of equipment, tell the supervisor immediately. Don't just walk away and say nothing because the potential consequences could be deadly.
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7411 posts, RR: 9 Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3871 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4): Though it sounds like a lot of damage and a weird spot for a bird, it's also a strange place for ground equipment trouble too,
So was AS's but that didn't cahcne.
Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 10): Ive never understood the American airlines "need" to have employees at every airport the airline serves, its just not cost effective.
Its called customer service, when i flew out of FRA the people there didn't really have much of a clue as to what they were doing. It is cost effective actually most US airlines are profitable again, the reason they are knee deep is because of low fares and horrible price of gas.
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BR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3853 times:
Quoting AviatorTJ (Reply 12): I didn't know NW had 115 passenger Boeing DC9-30s. I'm glad age didn't find its way into this report...
Well Technically, the media refers to them as Boeing DC9s since Boeing took over McDonnell Douglas. But in all respects, this is a Douglas Commercial DC-9-31.
Bwest From Belgium, joined Jul 2006, 1314 posts, RR: 4 Reply 21, posted (6 years 17 hours ago) and read 3369 times:
... aren't we forgetting that DC-9's don't make emergency landings? They just decide they're not happy with the scheduled destination...
Anyway, no matter how well maintained an A/C is, I suppose you can't ignore the fact that they are getting quite old and somewhat tired... and putting the blame on outsourcing seems just a bit too easy imho
TOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3219 posts, RR: 4 Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 hours ago) and read 3124 times:
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 22): Explain the reason for the smoke.
Probably wasn't smoke. A rapid decompression can leave a fog in the cabin air. It might look like smoke, and combined with the heat from the chemically generated emergency oxygen system could leave the average airline passenger calling it "smoke".
25 Flighty: Good thing this didn't happen at 30,000 feet. That could hurt people. Isn't the Capt supposed to do a visual inspection of the fuselage before flights
26 OPNLguy: Roger on the water vapor looking like smoke, but I'm pretty sure that the DC-9s (anything older than the -80) had a "plumbed" oxygen system (just as
27 Yflyer: Interesting how the reporter said "McDonnell Douglass", but the graphic on the screen said "Boeing."
28 KingAir200: First officer's job, but either way, someone is supposed to to a walk around.
29 Burnsie28: The FO's at NW do a walk around before every flight. Had it happened before that he would have noticed, Southwest pilots only do walkarounds at the b
30 Aogdesk: Ever watch a capt or f/o do a walkaround? While some certainly may be conscientious, there are plenty who do just what the name implies: they walk aro
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