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NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF  
User currently offlineTeneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 470 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9537 times:

According to 9WSYR in Syracuse a NWA DC9 Enroute from SYR to DTW had to make an emergency landing in BUF due to"reported pressure loss and smoke in the cockpit around 1:15" . Apparently when the plane landed a "12" gash in the front of the fuselage, near rows 1 and 2. " was found. Link to the story:
http://www.9wsyr.com/news/local/stor...1f2815-b83b-4e61-b116-521b67205e6c

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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9457 times:

*cough* outsourcing *cough* Anyone remember what Menzies Aviation did to the AS jet....


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User currently offlineFdex727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9430 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 1):
*cough* outsourcing *cough* Anyone remember what Menzies Aviation did to the AS jet....

Gotta love it. I wish the trend of outsourcing would change, but I know we'll see more before it's over. I know at UA in CLT for a time we did arrival checks before any ground equip was allowed near the plane. It was amazing some of the dents and other assorted items you would find.


User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9374 times:

This looks like the one. Didn't spend too much time in the air at all.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N...1/history/20070518/1654Z/KSYR/KBUF


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23011 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9227 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 1):
*cough* outsourcing *cough* Anyone remember what Menzies Aviation did to the AS jet....

I'm not sure you can conclude that... Though it sounds like a lot of damage and a weird spot for a bird, it's also a strange place for ground equipment trouble too, and it's unlikely they would have made it to FL180 and not known about a problem caused by an accident on the ground.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9166 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
Though it sounds like a lot of damage and a weird spot for a bird, it's also a strange place for ground equipment trouble too

If it was between row 1 and row 2 as mentioned, that would put it too far aft of the pax entry door to be anything the jetway could have done on that side. Likewise, too far aft of the forward service door to be a catering truck on the F/O's side.

My hunch is that something with a corrner (lav cart, tall bag cart, ground power unit) was driven too close to the fuselage and put a crease in it.


User currently offlineTeneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9095 times:

Does anyone know who NW uses for their ground servicing in SYR?

User currently offlineFdex727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8688 times:

Quoting Teneriffe77 (Reply 6):
Does anyone know who NW uses for their ground servicing in SYR?

That would be ZW!


User currently offlineRamerinianAir From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7848 times:

Fatigue crack?


SR



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User currently offlineSkoker From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 439 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7431 times:

Ay! It's been a busy week here in the skies over BUF.

It's a DC9-30, I'm going to try and get out for some pictures today but I'm not sure what they did with the bird... I'd assume it went over to Prior's hanger to be plugged, but maybe with a hole that big it would be easier just to W/O it.


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7135 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 1):
*cough* outsourcing *cough* Anyone remember what Menzies Aviation did to the AS jet....

Utter rubbish. Here in Europe "outsourcing" is common. Companies like Servisair, SwissPort, Aviance and Manzies do very good businesss, with repersentation form one of the four at almost all airports in Europe. Flights are not handled by the airports own personnel at outstations, and yet you dont see FR, EI, BA, SK, WW, BD, U2, LH, TP, IB, etc with large gashes (or any other type of damage) torn in the fuselage.

How do you know that the damage was not done in DTW or MSP, or anywhere elase NW has its own crews, only for the actual split/rupture to appear in flight?

Ive never understood the American airlines "need" to have employees at every airport the airline serves, its just not cost effective. Maybe that is one of teh reasons why so many American carriers are kneck deep in red ink?

Brian.



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User currently offlineZRB2 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 896 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6993 times:

Quoting Skoker (Reply 9):
Ay! It's been a busy week here in the skies over BUF.

What else has been going on over BUF this week?


There's a news report from the incident with some passenger interviews, link below. Just click on the link above the picture of the plane that says "6pm news part 1".

http://www.wivb.com/Global/story.asp?S=6536844&nav=menu41_2

[Edited 2007-05-19 20:04:09]

User currently offlineAviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days ago) and read 6806 times:

http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S89138.shtml?cat=1

There is another video report with a number of glaring "media errors." I didn't know NW had 115 passenger Boeing DC9-30s. I'm glad age didn't find its way into this report...

PS: Burnsie, I'm sure aircraft damage is never a factor at NWA facilities.


User currently offlineSkoker From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 439 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6226 times:

Quoting ZRB2 (Reply 11):
What else has been going on over BUF this week?

The crash at KDKK, to get the list started...


User currently offlineG5 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5941 times:

Did anyone get the reg. # on this aircraft?

User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1620 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5607 times:

It would be interesting to know the sequence of events leading up to and after the a/c was damaged. I was always told when working on the ramp that if you ever hit an airplane with any piece of equipment, tell the supervisor immediately. Don't just walk away and say nothing because the potential consequences could be deadly.

[Edited 2007-05-19 22:48:32]


Hey Swifty
User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5219 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
Though it sounds like a lot of damage and a weird spot for a bird, it's also a strange place for ground equipment trouble too,

So was AS's but that didn't cahcne.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 10):
Ive never understood the American airlines "need" to have employees at every airport the airline serves, its just not cost effective.

Its called customer service, when i flew out of FRA the people there didn't really have much of a clue as to what they were doing. It is cost effective actually most US airlines are profitable again, the reason they are knee deep is because of low fares and horrible price of gas.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5201 times:

Quoting AviatorTJ (Reply 12):
I didn't know NW had 115 passenger Boeing DC9-30s. I'm glad age didn't find its way into this report...

Well Technically, the media refers to them as Boeing DC9s since Boeing took over McDonnell Douglas. But in all respects, this is a Douglas Commercial DC-9-31.


User currently offlineSkoker From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 439 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4835 times:

Quoting G5 (Reply 14):
Did anyone get the reg. # on this aircraft?

Looks to be ship 9936 from the video linked.


User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4820 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 1):
*cough* outsourcing *cough*

It could just as easily be fatigue. Some of those aircraft are over 40 years old.



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User currently offlineWard86IND From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4725 times:

I love how that news report said some guy decided to drive home to Indianapolis because he didn't trust NW. Have fun buddy...


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User currently offlineBwest From Belgium, joined Jul 2006, 1370 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4717 times:

... aren't we forgetting that DC-9's don't make emergency landings? They just decide they're not happy with the scheduled destination...


Anyway, no matter how well maintained an A/C is, I suppose you can't ignore the fact that they are getting quite old and somewhat tired... and putting the blame on outsourcing seems just a bit too easy imho



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4696 times:

Explain the reason for the smoke.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 4525 times:

Quoting Skoker (Reply 18):
User currently offlineSkoker

9936 is N1799U a Southern bird then over to Republic....

If its 9935, that would be N1332, another Southern bird.
safe



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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3292 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4472 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 22):
Explain the reason for the smoke.

Probably wasn't smoke. A rapid decompression can leave a fog in the cabin air. It might look like smoke, and combined with the heat from the chemically generated emergency oxygen system could leave the average airline passenger calling it "smoke".


25 Flighty : Good thing this didn't happen at 30,000 feet. That could hurt people. Isn't the Capt supposed to do a visual inspection of the fuselage before flights
26 OPNLguy : Roger on the water vapor looking like smoke, but I'm pretty sure that the DC-9s (anything older than the -80) had a "plumbed" oxygen system (just as
27 Yflyer : Interesting how the reporter said "McDonnell Douglass", but the graphic on the screen said "Boeing."
28 KingAir200 : First officer's job, but either way, someone is supposed to to a walk around.
29 Burnsie28 : The FO's at NW do a walk around before every flight. Had it happened before that he would have noticed, Southwest pilots only do walkarounds at the b
30 Post contains images Aogdesk : Ever watch a capt or f/o do a walkaround? While some certainly may be conscientious, there are plenty who do just what the name implies: they walk aro
31 HAWK21M : What about Mx. regds MEL
32 SCflyboy : Any word on the status of the a/c? Thks
33 Aogdesk : I believe it ferried Sunday to AAR In IND
34 Toltommy : Either one of us may be correct, but I'm thinking it was upgraded when the new cabins were put in the -9's...
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